Decatting and the law?
20 March 2001, 08:47 PM
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Guys I'm considering a full exhaust system probably a scoobymania system.
But what is the story with running a car with no catalyst, I know it will not pass MOT (two years left before one) but can I be in trouble with the law in between MOT's.
If so what can I expect if caught?
I guess this is probably been covered but your help is appreciated.
Andy
But what is the story with running a car with no catalyst, I know it will not pass MOT (two years left before one) but can I be in trouble with the law in between MOT's.
If so what can I expect if caught?
I guess this is probably been covered but your help is appreciated.
Andy
21 March 2001, 04:05 PM
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Andy,
I have (this morning) had a Prima Racing (Telephone 0115 949 1903)Turbo System fitted to a 1994 WRX.
The system has one cat fitted so it is fully road/MOT legal, and the 'pull' of the car is dramatically improved (and it sounds fanbloodytastic).
Cost (fully fitted) was £348.46.
I looked into have a de-catted system, but would have to change to existing standard system when MOT time comes - I could not be bothered with the hassle.
I hope this smay be of some help!
Richard.
I have (this morning) had a Prima Racing (Telephone 0115 949 1903)Turbo System fitted to a 1994 WRX.
The system has one cat fitted so it is fully road/MOT legal, and the 'pull' of the car is dramatically improved (and it sounds fanbloodytastic).
Cost (fully fitted) was £348.46.
I looked into have a de-catted system, but would have to change to existing standard system when MOT time comes - I could not be bothered with the hassle.
I hope this smay be of some help!
Richard.
21 March 2001, 05:35 PM
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Andy W,
meant to take you out for a run on Saturday in my car to let you hear the Magnex now it has a straight through unsilenced centre.you possibly heard it (dbm,sti5 spoiler,gun metal alloys reg.*** JJH).been told it sounds good now,but i've gone deaf
i'm putting the standard centre back in for road use.
john
meant to take you out for a run on Saturday in my car to let you hear the Magnex now it has a straight through unsilenced centre.you possibly heard it (dbm,sti5 spoiler,gun metal alloys reg.*** JJH).been told it sounds good now,but i've gone deaf
i'm putting the standard centre back in for road use.
john
21 March 2001, 08:12 PM
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Would not touch Prima Racing in Nottingham.
They damaged my 4X4 Sierra fitting an exhaust a few years back. The exhaust was eventually fitted correctly at Scorpion HQ but my rear bumper was damaged beyond repair.
Took legal action and my solicitor said he had never dealt with such an arrogant and awkward company. Sold the car B4 the situation was resolved.
Later spoke to a guy who had a Renault 5 Turbo and had a Hybrid turbo fitted at Prima, he had problems and the after sales service was zero.
Lee
[This message has been edited by logiclee (edited 21 March 2001).]
They damaged my 4X4 Sierra fitting an exhaust a few years back. The exhaust was eventually fitted correctly at Scorpion HQ but my rear bumper was damaged beyond repair.
Took legal action and my solicitor said he had never dealt with such an arrogant and awkward company. Sold the car B4 the situation was resolved.
Later spoke to a guy who had a Renault 5 Turbo and had a Hybrid turbo fitted at Prima, he had problems and the after sales service was zero.
Lee
[This message has been edited by logiclee (edited 21 March 2001).]
26 March 2001, 12:56 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Andy W:
<B>But what is the story with running a car with no catalyst, I know it will not pass MOT (two years left before one) but can I be in trouble with the law in between MOT's.[/quote]
The fact that it won't pass an MOT is an indication of whether or not you can get nicked for it inbetween times....(but not always). The cops are starting to get a bit more serious about this (see previous threads) but in general you shouldn't have any probs. I don't know what the penalty is though.
Just make sure you don't make lots of noise around a traffic cop (by booting it of course) and they hopefully won't pull you "to have a look at your car".
Point to note - if there is nothing "dangerous" about your car (e.g. the brake discs/pads/fluid is not obviously buggered/leaking or say the tyres are bald), a cop that stops you at the roadside cannot without your permission inspect it. You say something like "it's not convenient for you to inspect my vehicle right now so I would like to arrange an appointment". This <B>will</B> get up their nose but a)there's nothing they can do about it (it's the law!!!
) and b)gives you a chance to put the catted centre back on .
BTW - the time/date <B>AND</B> location is of your choosing so try and make sure that you specify an area that is outside the jurisdication of the force that the cop belongs to - forces rarely bother to send someone outside their area for something as trivial as this as this wastes time and money .
Maybe you live in London and fancy visiting your mate in say Dorest next weekend...??? 
Matt.
<B>But what is the story with running a car with no catalyst, I know it will not pass MOT (two years left before one) but can I be in trouble with the law in between MOT's.[/quote]
The fact that it won't pass an MOT is an indication of whether or not you can get nicked for it inbetween times....(but not always). The cops are starting to get a bit more serious about this (see previous threads) but in general you shouldn't have any probs. I don't know what the penalty is though.
Just make sure you don't make lots of noise around a traffic cop (by booting it of course) and they hopefully won't pull you "to have a look at your car".
Point to note - if there is nothing "dangerous" about your car (e.g. the brake discs/pads/fluid is not obviously buggered/leaking or say the tyres are bald), a cop that stops you at the roadside cannot without your permission inspect it. You say something like "it's not convenient for you to inspect my vehicle right now so I would like to arrange an appointment". This <B>will</B> get up their nose but a)there's nothing they can do about it (it's the law!!!
) and b)gives you a chance to put the catted centre back on .BTW - the time/date <B>AND</B> location is of your choosing so try and make sure that you specify an area that is outside the jurisdication of the force that the cop belongs to
- forces rarely bother to send someone outside their area for something as trivial as this as this wastes time and money .Maybe you live in London and fancy visiting your mate in say Dorest next weekend...???
Matt.
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26 March 2001, 06:10 PM
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hi Matt,
do those rules apply if you get stopped for speeding or some other offence,
I didn't realize i could actually be done for not having a cat!
can U really tell a copper U don't want the inconvenience!surely that's what there paid to do
do those rules apply if you get stopped for speeding or some other offence,
I didn't realize i could actually be done for not having a cat!
can U really tell a copper U don't want the inconvenience!surely that's what there paid to do
27 March 2001, 02:13 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by smallfin:
<B>can U really tell a copper U don't want the inconvenience![/quote]
Yes you can - and do you know who told me? The chairman of my IAM Motorcycle group !!!! I've since checked it out and it's true. The other handy hint is that to inspect your vehicle, they also have to produce (up front I think) a certificate to prove that they are a qualified vehicle examiner!!!!
(BTW - most Traffic cops are but your Panda driving cop is usually not!!)
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Andy W:
<B>I read that same thing re arranging an inspection in one of the biking magazines last summer.[/quote]
Yes, I read that too which is further backup.
Matt
<B>can U really tell a copper U don't want the inconvenience![/quote]
Yes you can - and do you know who told me? The chairman of my IAM Motorcycle group !!!! I've since checked it out and it's true. The other handy hint is that to inspect your vehicle, they also have to produce (up front I think) a certificate to prove that they are a qualified vehicle examiner!!!!
(BTW - most Traffic cops are but your Panda driving cop is usually not!!
)<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Andy W:
<B>I read that same thing re arranging an inspection in one of the biking magazines last summer.[/quote]
Yes, I read that too which is further backup.
Matt
27 March 2001, 07:30 PM
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I know one thing for sure, the cops can give you a form that forces you to have a fault rectified and the form stamped by a MOT testing station. The most common ones I have seen are lights and number plates.
Assuming that the cop knows little about cars, lets face it most people don't have the level of interest for cars we do, the cop that stops you will have little knowledge of the availability of de-catted systems. Add to that Matt's comments and the fact that he would have to do a road side cat test to prove you failed an emissions test. If you did get tested (IMHO) you would get a MOT producer thing and restore your cat and get it checked.
I did once here that a guy got 'done' at a stop check for emissions where they where stopping cars and checking emissions at the side of the road. He said that there must be a problem with the car and he would get it sorted. It was a genuine fault on a bog standard car, and he suffered no penalty except the cost of repair and the hassle.
In my opinion, as long as you don't give it full bore in front of the law, ie normal sensible stuff, you should have no problems. As usual tho, you could be unlucky
Have fun
David
Assuming that the cop knows little about cars, lets face it most people don't have the level of interest for cars we do, the cop that stops you will have little knowledge of the availability of de-catted systems. Add to that Matt's comments and the fact that he would have to do a road side cat test to prove you failed an emissions test. If you did get tested (IMHO) you would get a MOT producer thing and restore your cat and get it checked.
I did once here that a guy got 'done' at a stop check for emissions where they where stopping cars and checking emissions at the side of the road. He said that there must be a problem with the car and he would get it sorted. It was a genuine fault on a bog standard car, and he suffered no penalty except the cost of repair and the hassle.
In my opinion, as long as you don't give it full bore in front of the law, ie normal sensible stuff, you should have no problems. As usual tho, you could be unlucky
Have fun
David
28 March 2001, 02:03 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Shark:
<B>I know one thing for sure, the cops can give you a form that forces you to have a fault rectified and the form stamped by a MOT testing station. The most common ones I have seen are lights and number plates.[/quote]
That's true but he has to inspect the car to find the fault to write the form....
If "it's not convenient for you to have him inspect the car" then he's kippered really isn't he??!! heh heh heh ...
Use carefully!!!
Matt.
<B>I know one thing for sure, the cops can give you a form that forces you to have a fault rectified and the form stamped by a MOT testing station. The most common ones I have seen are lights and number plates.[/quote]
That's true but he has to inspect the car to find the fault to write the form....
If "it's not convenient for you to have him inspect the car" then he's kippered really isn't he??!! heh heh heh ...
Use carefully!!!
Matt.
28 March 2001, 02:58 PM
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And if you do get stopped on the M25, when the big friendly policeman tells you to use the hard shoulder to build up speed and then pull onto the inside lane, for G_ds sake don't get a Santa Pod flashback ...
28 March 2001, 03:05 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bajie:
<B>And if you do get stopped on the M25, when the big friendly policeman tells you to use the hard shoulder to build up speed and then pull onto the inside lane, for G_ds sake don't get a Santa Pod flashback ...[/quote]
LOL
<B>And if you do get stopped on the M25, when the big friendly policeman tells you to use the hard shoulder to build up speed and then pull onto the inside lane, for G_ds sake don't get a Santa Pod flashback ...[/quote]
LOL
28 March 2001, 03:30 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bajie:
<B>And if you do get stopped on the M25, when the big friendly policeman tells you to use the hard shoulder to build up speed and then pull onto the inside lane, for G_ds sake don't get a Santa Pod flashback ...[/quote]
And pray you don't get a big flame out the back end too!!
Steve
<B>And if you do get stopped on the M25, when the big friendly policeman tells you to use the hard shoulder to build up speed and then pull onto the inside lane, for G_ds sake don't get a Santa Pod flashback ...[/quote]
And pray you don't get a big flame out the back end too!!
Steve
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