Fuel Filters and Pumps
08 February 2003, 07:33 PM
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Anybody got any part numbers for external fuel pumps and filters, such as bosch ones...
Ideally with threaded fittings.. 9/16th or similar...
Porsche turbo filter??
Ideally about 200lph at 7 / 8 Bar.
David
Ideally with threaded fittings.. 9/16th or similar...
Porsche turbo filter??
Ideally about 200lph at 7 / 8 Bar.
David
09 February 2003, 04:49 PM
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the highest spec bosch pumps are cica £500!
the AN11101 or whatever would only max out 824cc/min injectors at 75psi pump pressure.
1lb/hr = 0.609 L/hr
Their 11104 pump would do the trick though, maxing out 1395cc/min injectors at 75psi pump pressure.
Sounds like a good investment to me, a single pump that can do everything you need.
paul
the AN11101 or whatever would only max out 824cc/min injectors at 75psi pump pressure.
1lb/hr = 0.609 L/hr
Their 11104 pump would do the trick though, maxing out 1395cc/min injectors at 75psi pump pressure.
Sounds like a good investment to me, a single pump that can do everything you need.
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09 February 2003, 05:06 PM
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I dont have any more info on the bosch, apart from I know it is widely used. I have a video of the rigoli racer ( white car ) and it uses a single bosch pump, as do many high power cossies.
It is also quite expensive which is why I chose to use the Aeromotive pump, which also pumps a lot more fuel for a similar pressure. It also looks good
The Aeromotive is the same as Paxton AFAIK, and a lot bigger than the bosch.
The SX range of pumps flow even more again.
It is also quite expensive which is why I chose to use the Aeromotive pump, which also pumps a lot more fuel for a similar pressure. It also looks good
The Aeromotive is the same as Paxton AFAIK, and a lot bigger than the bosch.
The SX range of pumps flow even more again.
09 February 2003, 07:21 PM
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Yeah, I know the bosch pumps are expensive..
I was going to use two bosch pumps, but after getting a price on the motorsport range I was shocked..
I can get a Group A Cossie Pump for about £170 iirc... so need to check the flow graphs for that one..
I have 2x walbaro pumps squeezed in the tank at the moment (or will do) then these will supply the surge tank..
David
I was going to use two bosch pumps, but after getting a price on the motorsport range I was shocked..
I can get a Group A Cossie Pump for about £170 iirc... so need to check the flow graphs for that one..
I have 2x walbaro pumps squeezed in the tank at the moment (or will do) then these will supply the surge tank..
David
09 February 2003, 07:59 PM
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2 walbro pumps should be enough, get them baffled in the tank and leave it at that for now.
That 11104 aeromotive pump will flow more fuel@75psi than a walbro one will at 0psi.
Paul
That 11104 aeromotive pump will flow more fuel@75psi than a walbro one will at 0psi.
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10 February 2003, 10:14 AM
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im wanting to run two pumps regardless... one per rail..
Dunno why.. but got a strange feeling I need a lot of fuel
Off to get specs for bosch pump..
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Dunno why.. but got a strange feeling I need a lot of fuel
Off to get specs for bosch pump..
David
10 February 2003, 11:09 AM
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cos aigin recommended that setup... and as im running considerably more power than you 
10 February 2003, 11:15 AM
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Because nitrous needs fuel too...
Stevie,
The problem with the 11101 pump is that for high boost, like 2bar, combined with raised fuel pressure, say 3.5 bar relative, that means total pump pressure of 5.5bar, or 80psi, and the flow graphs suggest the flow rate is significantly lower at that pressure.
Paul
Stevie,
The problem with the 11101 pump is that for high boost, like 2bar, combined with raised fuel pressure, say 3.5 bar relative, that means total pump pressure of 5.5bar, or 80psi, and the flow graphs suggest the flow rate is significantly lower at that pressure.
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10 February 2003, 04:36 PM
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We decided as we dont know the return pressure of the walbaro to surge tank then we dont know the flow rate of the pump (should be high still) then it was better to have two..
Besides 4 noisy fuel pumps sounds good 
David
Besides 4 noisy fuel pumps sounds good
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10 February 2003, 05:25 PM
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A single low pressure pump ( although not an internal one ) will be able to flow more than the 2 walbro pumps I would think. My feed pump ( 100 gph ) cost about £80 from Real Steel. They can supply more expensive ones that wil flow up to 140gph.
4 fuel pumps is a lot to go wrong. Even 2 is bad ebough, which is why I will be getting rid of my 2 pumps, and getting a proper fuel tank made up so I can run a single pump direct from the tank.
4 fuel pumps is a lot to go wrong. Even 2 is bad ebough, which is why I will be getting rid of my 2 pumps, and getting a proper fuel tank made up so I can run a single pump direct from the tank.
10 February 2003, 06:09 PM
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I know.. but Ive got 2 walbaros now.. and it involves more work.. which is good
sad arent I?
Even fuel pressure reg will be modified
Hoses should arrive this week.
David
sad arent I?
Even fuel pressure reg will be modified
Hoses should arrive this week.
David
10 February 2003, 07:05 PM
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It's worth noting that the pump flow rates listed on the US sites, if in "gallons", will be US gallons, and only 80% of an imperial gallon.
1 US gallon = 3.78 lts.
I'm not suggesting that people have to have the same pump set up I do. Part of the reason for my set up, is I wanted to feed the twin fuel rails independently. Then, I had a concern, that if the surge tank were to run low, just as I was about to come onto a straight, could a single in tank pump supply enough fuel to not only feed the engine, but refill the surge tank too.
It was easier to fit another in tank pump, than try and simulate the conditions.
Mark.
1 US gallon = 3.78 lts.
I'm not suggesting that people have to have the same pump set up I do. Part of the reason for my set up, is I wanted to feed the twin fuel rails independently. Then, I had a concern, that if the surge tank were to run low, just as I was about to come onto a straight, could a single in tank pump supply enough fuel to not only feed the engine, but refill the surge tank too.
It was easier to fit another in tank pump, than try and simulate the conditions.
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If you apply your 'overkill' logic throughout the build, I suspect you will end up with one HEAVY car !!
I prefer the minimalist approach which IMHO will win every time
If you apply your 'overkill' logic throughout the build, I suspect you will end up with one HEAVY car !!
I prefer the minimalist approach which IMHO will win every time
11 February 2003, 12:14 AM
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Andy.. It might be heavy.. but Ill still **** on your top speed
Mark YHM regarding 6th Gear.. so pull your finger out and reply
Can you bring those other bits up next month?
Ps Andy I intend to weigh the car.. so will be interesting to see what it weighs..
Anybody got the weight for a 94 wrx wagon vs a 94 uk wagon??
David
Mark YHM regarding 6th Gear.. so pull your finger out and reply
Can you bring those other bits up next month?
Ps Andy I intend to weigh the car.. so will be interesting to see what it weighs..
Anybody got the weight for a 94 wrx wagon vs a 94 uk wagon??
David
11 February 2003, 11:06 AM
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Again I am using the Aeromotive fuel filters. They come with JIC threaded fittings, and can take either a stainless mesh element, or a paper element both of which are renewable. I cant remember how much it was, but dont think it was that expensive. The replacement elements arent dear either, and they are compact and look good. Can be used either as a pre-filter for the pump, or after the pump.
12 February 2003, 10:59 AM
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I was thinking more along the lines of an oem filter.. there must be something large.. with a decent flow rate.. and threaded fittings... similar to the old golf gti ones.
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Although not the prettiest in the world, Have you considered the possibilty of using an oil filter and remote housing as a fuel filter?
The fuel filter I used simply has a replaceable paper element, so it isnt so much different to an oil filter, although a lot smaller.
The fuel filter I used simply has a replaceable paper element, so it isnt so much different to an oil filter, although a lot smaller.