super_si

Or would you say AMD??

basically the 1000Mhz cant cope any more to slow for my needs,

So building a P4, CPU, M/board, RAM, possibly case!

Looked at dabs very pricy at the moment

Thanks

Simon

suba

both AMD and intel are pretty much neck and neck, one is slightly cheaper (AMD) and the other is slightly faster (intel).

just get the latest motherboard coz they will become old hat in a matter of months anyway. it's all down to how much you can afford and how much you are willing to pay.

have a look at scan today only special for everyday cheapo components.

super_si

Im not sure im guessing £500 for a good setup ish!
i would like 512mb ram but thats wellllllll expensive

Si

super_si

thats a good web site! think im getting new 40gb HD woohoo

Scotty Boy

try these sites

KustomPCs - not cheap but very kewl

Novatech

Dabs

Action

Overclockers

happy hunting

super_si

its more whats good? whats not scenario

AndiThompson

advice on building a P4? Don't

super_si

What then? AMD?? Just looked quite pricy still

DominicA

If you want Intel and can wait, then do. New FSB based P4s out in the summer!!! I'd buy the XP instead. Quicker than current P4s and cheaper...

super_si

whats the FSB Fast System Bus?? Whats that like??
Just looking at P4 Xeon's

DominicA

Not a P4 Xeon but a Xeon. Which is based on P4 arch.. Depends on what you're going to be using the computer for??

DominicA

New P4 will be running FSB @ 533 (4*133) rather than current 400 (4*100) so RAM is much quicker... again the question, what you gonna be using it for??

super_si

Programming, Java, dual boot with linux, need the RAID on m/board.

Download 24*7, games, the most demanding is 3d max aswell which can take hours to render! hopefully £500's all i need for M/board ram n cpu + new case

Si

HHxx

FSB = Front Side Bus

Don't even consider a Xeon for £500, that will buy you just the cpu.

3D Studio, why don't you try network rendering

super_si

316.08 actually got 2ghz Xeon thats why i thought hmmmmmmmmmmm so far ive being told.....we could supply you with an Abit TH7-II RAID. This board supports P4's and
has RAID, and is basically the fastest, most powerful P4 board on the
market. It is designed for use with ultra-fast RAMBUS (RDRAM) memory. This
type of RAM has to be fitted in pairs. These boards cost just under £160.

If you wanted something a bit cheaper, and which uses the cheaper (but
slower) DDR memory, then a board like the Gigabyte GA-8IRX would be your
best bet. This is the fastest P4 DDR board on the market. It doesn't have
RAID, but costs only £119.99 inc.VAT

also supports the 533 bus to! just asked!

MrDeference

Try for a bit of balance - if you are playing games, then consider your graphics card.

Programming is a non issue - you could compile on a 1Ghz easy.

3dSM is a killer, but for £500 you may as well preview during the day and render at night, and get a moderatly cheap PC. Twin Xeons are not much quicker than twin Athlon MP's, but I wouldn't go there, as you will have to spend £60 on a PSU and £100 on a server case, plus you get no speed up on games.

I'd buy a Athlon 2000+ and as much RAM as possible - and then pay for some software

EDIT: Poor Engerlish.

[Edited by MrDeference - 5/13/2002 1:22:58 PM]

super_si

You try java testing on a 1ghz machine 1000 times * 10?? then your ****ed!! seriously it took ages and with the dead line approaching!"

Think its gonna be the Abit S478 Intel 850 ATX A R Mfr Code TH7-II-RAID

with n over clock 1.8

Si

MrDeference

erm - rewrite the routine. It's cheaper than spending money on new hardware.

DominicA

Make sure that if you buy a P4 it's a Northwood.. and don't run it with DDR...

super_si

Whats the northwood?

Also i had to run it 1000times to calculate input and search times on a linked list, array n hash table to compare

Si

MrDeference

Northwood is the .13 micron P4 chip. Has 512KB L2 cache and is smaller, running cooler. However you can only get it speeds 2.0Ghz and above.
Basically P4 pre Northwood and sans Rambus were kicked firmly into touch by AMD (on performance + value), hence my recommendation.

To go back to Java - I write software all-day everyday on a 1Ghz PIII notebook, and frankly, it is pretty much fast enough for everything code wise. Speed it up with a quicker disk, sure, but really - save the cash and go down the SU.

EDIT: Ooops. Looks as though Intel have migrated more chips to Northwood. Most P4's speeds available as Northwoods. Look for the 'A' in the name... Apologies

[Edited by MrDeference - 5/14/2002 2:14:15 PM]

GaryCat

Also try www.ebuyer.com for PC Components. Good service and very cheap.

super_si

How much are Northwoods??

I was thinking og 1.8 since there cheap

Si

MrDeference

If you have yet to spend your cash, have a look at Scan today

ChrisB

My price list has Northwood P4s available in 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 & 2.2Ghz flavours.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1615 is an interesting read.

super_si

IVe got some wicked prices!
Intel Pentium 4 2.0GHz 478Pin 512k Processor Northwood Rev.A
> £ 229.00 Ex Vat
> £ 269.08 Inc Vat
>
> Abit TH7 Pentium 4 Socket 478 Intel 850 Chipset RD RAM - RIMKM IDE RAID
> Motherboards
> £ 115.00 Ex Vat
> £ 135.12 Inc Vat
>
> 184Pin 256MB PC800 RAMBUS RD RAM For Intel Pentium 4 Processors
> Memory
> £ 57.00 Ex Vat
> £ 66.98 Inc Vat * 2

super_si

dunno what to do the best motherboards the

Abit TH7 Pentium 4 Socket 478 Intel 850 Chipset RD RAM - RIMKM IDE RAID

Stock Code: ABI-TH7II
Availability

£ 115.00 Ex Vat


Manf. Code: TH7-II
RD rams like £120 for 512mb

what CPU seriously im looking ar £260ish for the 2ghz Northwood when the 1.8's £200!

Si

kryten

I've got a SOYO Dragon Ultra, P4 2.0Ghz and 512Mb DDR arriving today

I'll let you know what its like. I wanted a RAID board (having just had another bloody HD crash) for the mirroring.

Got the board from www.chillblast.com and the CPU for £207 (advantage of trade suppliers!).

super_si

Im off RD RAM, does running RAID mean more HD ware??

Si

kryten

Yeah, you need two disks. I'll be using RAID 1 Mirroring with a pair of 120Gb drives.

either the board or ram or cpu are dead. RMA sent back today