Here is my dilema.

Im currently having a 2.5 forger built at scooby clinic but i know my gearbox will go bye bye with any sort of power so im stuck with deciding a 6 speed or scooby clinics gearset.

How noisy is it over standard?
Does it get annoying?

What are peoples opinions on this?

Tempo

 

Depends what you're going to do with the car. Does the extra 30Kg of the six speed bother you will it be an issue? probably not if its just a road car.

The six speed is a proper simple solution and is fit and forget in the majority of cases. Be wary of the early ones as alot of them have synchro issues.

With regard to the clinic's set. It appears to be very good indeed. The ratios will be better suited to a reasonable power 2.5 and of course it wont be as heavy as the six speed. If I didn't already have a six speed and had the additional cash required for one over a six speed then i'd probably go for one of these myself.

 

Thing is i know if i sourced the 6 speed myself i could get it cheaper than the gearset but i have no idea what im buying or anything. If i purchaced the 6 speed myself, i would also save on VAT.

Shame you aint still selling yours. ;-)

Tempo

 

What is the car going to be used for ?

 

Road car with the odd track day. Should that determain my choice?

Oh its going to hopefully be running 460 and 480 as the sc450package

Just seems a bit of a waste mapping the car once on low boost for the sake of the gearbox, then on high when the upgrade is fitted

 

On track days i find the 6 speed perfect with my 2.5 running 440/480, its just on my visits to the pod, i miss my PPG 5speed from my classic

 

Thanks for the opinions guys. Cheers

 

how about a 2.1 stroker running ~400/400?
martin

 

For a 2.1 that loves revs the 6 speed is ideal IMO

If its for track I'd go for the jdm ratios where gear 5 and 6 ar closer together, if road then uk ratios. I'm talking here about the earlier boxes that have the closer ratios 1-4, rather than the later types with the longer ratios more suited to the 2.5 litre stis

 

personaly 5 speed is the choice i made, prefer the longer gearing through the gears. its all to do with preferance to me.

 

Is it noisy though Tidgy? Im just worried il spend this on the sc gearkit and regret it

 

A PPG setup sounds good and ofcourse the weight advantage is a plus being it a minor one for people that mostly drive on the roads.

The big disadvantage of the PPG kit IMO is the price which is certainly more exepensive than a proper 6 speed with all shafts, hubs, etc. needed to install them on a GC8.
Don't forget the installation price since most people are not able to install gears themselves and ofcourse the bloody VAT that almost adds 1/5 to the price.

It's a shame that there is nothing in between the OEM 5 speed and spending 2200+ quid for either a PPG setup of 6 speed setup.
Wish there was something that was less expensive and rated at lower specs.

The mass is not going to be running 600+ft/lbs of torque and if they are they do have the $$$ to pay for a new transmission as they have spend at least 6000 quid on the engine and turbo alone.
The mass will be modifying their car in between the 325-425Hp 320-400ft/lbs range and always seem to run into this brick wall that consists of a factory 5 speed that will fail eventually, it's almost guaranteed.

Wouldn't it be more cost effective to produce something that fills this gap as it will reach a much bigger audience ?

 

thread revival...any idea on how the SC gearsets have got on over the last few months...I'd imagine there were a few at Shootout last weekend?

Ian

 

Put it this way I've decided to keep with the six speed route.

 

Hi,

we have not had one single failure and have been running over 600 BHP for well over a year now.

Not quite sure what Daz meant in his response but if its based on our drag car getting stuck in fith at the scoobyshootout then please note that was a PPG dog box and not one of our own syncro kits.

cheers
Kev

 

MoThanks for that Kev...assume multiple drag launches?

 

Hi Kev,

It wasn't anything malicious sorry if it read that way. I've decided to keep to six speed for several reasons.
One is the cost factor, the 5 speed kits are bloody expensive. The other is just general lack of information and proven results on them.

I was hoping to see a few in action on Sunday but when I asked someone with the SC team nobody knew who was running one.

It seems that there is a fair bit of interest in these kits but the lack of information or validity of that information is preventing people from buying them.

Please don't take this as having a go Kev given our history. I am genuinely trying to put over a real potential customers perspective. I honestly think if you get the kit independently proven they will start to fly out the door. By that I mean someone that is not associated with the clinic. I know how this reads and some would think I'm hinting LOL Whilst it would be just the ticket for me that is honestly not my angle here.

Get the kit on a well known car that isn't associated with the clinic and if its that good it will speak for its self and they will start flying out the door. If they can cope with the power then the ratios and weight saving make it a better choice than the six speed.

 

Kev I could be interested, If we could work out a deal with my hawkeye 6 speed

 

Expensive for early classic owners given you have to find a 754 donor box IIRC. Six speed is my choice even if it needs as overhaul it works out cheaper Although I do love an aggressive 5 speed

 

if you need a donkey not associated with the clinic i'll gladly volunteer mine as i'm just saving for a 6 speed anyway to go with my new engine/turbo setup

 

Hi,

I didnt think you were having a pop at all just thought people may have assumed one failed on our drag car.

Its right what you say and I totally understand why you have kept your six speeder.

There is not a lot I can tell anyone about the gearkits other than they work, they drive spot on and we have not had a failure, my personal car runs 576 BHP and is in daily use as my transport to and from work, Sunday it was seen hurtling around the track at Elvington putting in some respectable times for a full weight road car, last year there was a video of it doing a full broadside exit from the handling circuit, all this on one of our gearkits.

From that alone consider the kits tested and approved.

cheers
Kev

 

My 2.35 will be finished soon, running in with an 1P1 box/18g before going to a 30r...happy to offer a non-biased opioion if a mule is required...I think the ppg sets do ok on track/road just not the strip...any data on full bore launches?

 

Hi,

the kits have also been fitted to two track cars which won 1st and 2nd in the Nippon challenge last year, took on some big power skylines in the AAA saloon car challenge and got a podium 2nd, did loads of track days and last years scoobclinic shoot-out. This year they are racing again in two race series all on the same gear-kit, both rolling starts and launches.

Box (literally) ticked.

cheers
Kev

 

Hope you don't see this as picking but that hasn't really addressed my question re multiple full bore launches...any drag specific cars running them?

 

Hi,

not as I am aware, as I say our Nippon challenge cars all start with a launch off the line and our pink car has done 3 consecutive 9 second quarters and many many 10 second ones.

Cheers
Kev

 

Thanks Kev, mine isn't't going to be drag specific but I broke 3 UK boxes with under 300 lbs/ft so trying where best to spend my hard earned

 

Thats where the confusion comes in.

Were these on the Elite kit or the Albins kit?

 

Hi,

both.

As you know we spend lots of time and money getting the products right, lots of testing is carried out until we are happy with the products, take a look at our epic turbo thread.

Both kits are in stock and ready to ship or fit.

cheers
Kev

 

Kev,

I've recently fitted a JDM non DCCD 6 speed to my Bugeye - I'd like to uprate the gearset to give me longer ratios, particularly in 6th. I can see that Albans offer custom ratios etc, what kind of price would I be looking at for a box overhaul with syncros and new gearset making the ratios more like the Hawkeye or even longer?

 

Hi,

we have not got involved with the 6 speed stuff as they are fine as standard, early bug eye ones not as good as MY 03 on, in my experience, and I state "my experience".

We do have in stock a custom dog box ready built in a 6 speed casing, with DCCD but with only 5 gears, ratio's spaced equally with longer legs, its up for grabs as we are going to use a 5 speed syncro kit instead, its brand new and ready to ship, for more details if interested contact me direct.

info@scoobyclinic.com

Cheers
Kev