stipete75

Paying extra tax on sugar because of the obesity problem and strains on the NHS is a joke.
How about the £120billion wasted annually by our idiotic government.
A figure almost equal to the current budget deficit.
Taxpayers need a better deal and our government still need to provide our frontline services which people depend on the most, NHS etc.
Money must be left in the pockets of struggling households,not taken away,the households who need it to support their own families.

john banks

There are more than ample calories, they are hidden, calorie rich food is cheapest and palatable. Many jobs are sedentary, household chores are automated. I'm similarly sceptical, but there are also those who don't appear lazy and are disciplined in many other aspects of life and genuinely struggle. The obese can be demonised and if you are not a sufferer it can be difficult to comprehend. Satiety being so difficult to turn off is why most diets fail as there is no magic ingredient to eat and the advice does end up being eat less, do more, and it keeps failing.

jonc

What's to say in another 40 years’ time new research will find the same with sugar? Compared to the time from my childhood, people's eating habits have changed dramatically over the years along with their lifestyles. The demands of living in our modern society has meant there many more convenient ways of consuming food in between regular meals and regular meals are becoming more and more processed and convenience orientated and supermarkets are selling more multipacks of unhealthy foods.

The population is generally moving towards a more sedentary career path with the growth in the service industry and decline in the primary and secondary sectors. Children no longer go outside to play and sit at home playing their games consoles and tablets and watch TV programs on over 100 different channels. Up until recently there was less emphasis placed on physical education and home economics in national curriculum. The population on the whole has become more idle and as a result consume more food than they need to.

Sugar alone does not make people fat. People need to change their lifestyle, children and adults need to be educated and encouraged on diet and physical activity. When I have seen programs like "Supersize vs Superskinny", the typical foods consumed for a "supersized" person does not consist only of sugary foods, whilst excessive sugar is consumed, the overwhelming majority of the food consists of mainly of fatty and other non-sugar carbohydrates type foods and the quantity consumed. Tax on sugar will be of no benefit other than to fill the coffers of the Government.

Carlh

EU = NWO

Martin2005

The problem is that these number are not mutually exclusive

Like I said healthy pensioners are relatively cheap

stipete75

^^^^this^^^^

Lisawrx

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They may well be, in terms of cost to the NHS for example, but the pension payout is no less for a healthy pensioner than it is for a non-healthy one. The point I was getting at (I think) was that keeping people alive longer, albeit healthy, will potentially cost a lot more in the long run. (based on the current retirement age)

dpb

Are you sure?

Check out the amount of fizzy drink./ milkshake etc some those bloaters put away

Turbohot

I agree with this.

Anyway, Bounty has got it right. Still in one wrapper it comes in two bits. If you're a balanced sweet eater, you'll eat only one bit, and leave the next bit for the next time. That's what I do. Next time will be next week, believe me.

Not keen on sweets here. I do eat them occasionally, though. Especially the cheapo ones from Aldi. I also like to consume Fry's Turkish Delight sometimes. It makes me think of Aladin's magic carpet each time I eat one, although I should be thinking of Alibaba and stealing thieves instead.

A whole new world................. humhumhum................

boomer

The Daily Mash: Sugar definitely worst thing say same people who said it was definitely fat

Sums it up

mb

Turbohot

Good find.

This ^ has got me giggling!

Lisawrx

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Ellie*

What????????????!!!!!
You only eat half of a bounty AND keep the rest for another time?!?!?!?!

Annoyingly admirable!!

Wish to god I still had such self-control!

shooter007

Read the PDF ,pure white and deadly by John Yudkin and watch ,sugar bitter sweet truth By Dr Robert lustig very interesting also sent this to the mail months ago.

Turbohot

Yes, Ellie. I'm generally good with my self-control, although for sweets I don't have to utilise my self-control ability. I don't find sweets very palatable, so my brain doesn't register them as something to drool for. Lack of enough taste buds for sweets as well as for alcohol and drugs, that's all. Fruits are a different story. I can eat whole papaya in one go. I can also eat whole pound of cherries in one go. Cherries are very sweet. They can't be good for us if eaten greedily. Just as well they're seasonal, thank you God.

Ellie*

Well I'm sat here with a huge bag of haribo jelly babies that I paid a whole £1 for!!

I love cherries, and raspberries, and strawberries. I actually wish they weren't just seasonal because maybe I wouldn't eat so much sugar!!

I've ways had a sweet tooth (I've eaten golden syrup out of the tin before now) but I've also temporarily lost all self control and my cravings for sugar are disgustingly ridiculous.
To the point where I am a little concerned that I'm developing insulin resistance!

I don't think additional taxes would benefit anyone.

Turbohot

God I hate Haribos jelly babies and anything like that. Jelly beans and wine gums are also awful! Mars bars and Twix etc. are minging as well to me. I do long to eat that hair-like fluffy sugar candy they sell in fun fairs, but I can only eat so much of it. I haven't eaten it for about 20 years.

Some people tell me that if they open a sweet pack, they have to eat all the sweets from that pack, end of. Some say same about multi-pack crisp bags and biscuit packets. That's too much on top of one breakfast and two regular meals a day.

As a confession, if it's my favourite Werther's hard candy, I have to finish the full pack of it. I gain blissful satisfaction in cracking that it between my teeth- crunch, crunch! Heaven! I've tried to suck this guilty pleasure slowly like others can do, but I have no patience to mince about. I have to crack it and consume every single candy, every time I have them.

thenewgalaxy

Not as much blissful satisfaction as I get recommending a crown to replace the palatal cusps of your shagged upper molar

Turbohot

I even break walnuts etc. with my teeth, and never needed any crown recommended for my upper molar, touch wood. Ex isn't that braveheart, but he opens his beer bottles with his teeth. It's all about technique.

Anyway, we need to eat sugar and have tooth problems, which keeps you in job. Correct?

Lisawrx

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A bit of a tangent, but appears you must be a dentist, so I'll be cheeky and ask you a quick question. What, in your opinion, is the best toothpaste? One that gets rid of stains/keeps them away, doesn't do harm to the teeth and ideally tastes nice and minty? I only ask as I'm sick of pissing about trying to find a good one.

Turbohot

He is a dentist, Lisa. I think he's a maxillofacial trauma surgeon.

thenewgalaxy

We'd be a lot quieter were it not for sugar, but gums and awfuldontics would keep us off the streets.

At risk of sounding slightly patronising, toothpastes are largely cosmetic products and not medicinal products so they have a limited range of abilities.

People unfortunately expect toothpastes to cure their problems, and aggressive marketing encourages that belief. The best methods are of course, preventive and that requires education and knowledge - things that are largely lacking and something that some of the answers in this thread have demonstrated quite markedly.

For me by far and away the most important thing is one with a decent fluoride content (around 1400ppm or more) as this is a key preventive and mildly therapeutic component. Not using one is plain stupidity as far as I'm concerned. And no quantity of fluoride will help bad habits when it comes to sugar consumption.

Many toothpastes contain something called triclosan, which is mildly beneficial to gum health. But no substitute for any kind of reasonable brushing technique.

Some pastes have an anti-sensitivity component and these work by two ways. One is to block the pores in tooth enamel responsible for fluid movement in the tooth (thereby preventing the nerve from being disturbed) and others focus on increasing the mineral content of the tooth (reinforcing) or even repairing surface damage.

Whitening toothpastes work via two ways, either abrasion of surface stain e.g. a mechanical method (smoker's toothpaste) or a chemical action of breaking it down. I would not recommend the former as it causes and accelerates tooth wear and I am quite sceptical about the abilities of most whitening pastes. The best is probably by Enlighten, called tooth serum. It's moderately effective.

Breath freshening is largely down to strong flavouring, bad breath can be caused by a lot of things including dehydration, gum infections, muck on the teeth, diet, balance of bacteria in the mouth... so many things,

Bottom line is that if you want white teeth, avoid staining foods, see a hygienist and whiten your teeth with trays provided by your dentist.

Best non-prescription toothpaste out there, in my opinion, is between Oral B Pro Expert and Sensodyne Repair and protect. But if I had it my way I'd blanket prescribe everyone with Colgate Duraphat NaF 2800ppm or even 5000ppm.

I was heading that direction but decided to return to mainstream dentistry when I reached the do or die point of no return choice. Great experience for when I wish to pursue a reconstructive dentistry route in future

Turbohot

And you're also a cat specialist. <nods>

thenewgalaxy

Aye, am hoping that my charge wins again tomorrow in Wigan...

Lisawrx

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Thanks for the information.

I don't really have loads of sugar/staining foods, but I am an evil smoker and like my tea, so just want to keep those stains at bay so to speak, until I can face the quitting battle again. Overall, my teeth are quite clean looking (not bright white, but not yellow either) I just want to try to keep stains away. Re. breath, it's not bad, I just like a nice, minty fresh, clean feeling when I brush as some toothpastes taste a bit rank.

The best I've found so far is colgate max one, but I worry when one seems good, if it might be bad for my teeth (cause wear). It could just be that it is good....

thenewgalaxy

Whiten the buggers, Phillips Zoom or Enlighten Evolution. I typically get great results off both.

Lisawrx

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Thank you.

Turbohot

Aww, good luck to the cutie/s.

Ellie*

Shouldn't laugh but lmao!



I only use Colgate ( having seen how often dentists prescribe Durphat and Endekay, I figured its the brand least likely to just be clever marketing), or Oral B, as that was always on display at a dentist I went to!
Although, with the amount of sugar I eat, my teeth are suffering.