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Old 21 February 2014, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
After I hit return, I did think of that.

Had the capture of the Falklands failed, I do wonder what the next option would have been, because as you say, I wouldn't have called her bluff. I wasn't aware than anything nuclear had been mentioned during the war?
It certainly wasn't even remotely an option
Old 21 February 2014, 01:23 PM
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You're not Mrs Thatcher are you Martin? Only, such a definitive response implies you might be....

(Joking again, please don't hit me with your, er, handbag!?)

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Old 21 February 2014, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
It certainly wasn't even remotely an option
Do you have the evidence for this?
Old 21 February 2014, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Do you have the evidence for this?
No - but if you use your head, it's not hard to figure out why that was the case
Old 21 February 2014, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Do you have the evidence for this?
Only we have to provide evidence to Martin, never the other way round
Old 21 February 2014, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
No
lol!! Haa!
Old 21 February 2014, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Only we have to provide evidence to Martin, never the other way round
True, If we present him with something and he tries to disprove it (as he normally does) isn't it up to him to find the evidence?

After all it's him that is usually trying to prove someone wrong?

He is practically saying I want to prove you wrong but I want you to give me the evidence to prove you wrong?

I think hes a regular crack user, he would need to be on some sort of drugs considering the crap he comes out with?

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Old 21 February 2014, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
True, If we present him with something and he tries to disprove it (as he normally does) isn't it up to him to find the evidence?

After all it's him that is usually trying to prove someone wrong?
Problem is you're both being daft again.

If there is no evidence that the UK was planning to nuke Argentina, then there is no evidence. What do you want, me to make stuff up?
Old 21 February 2014, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Problem is you're both being daft again.

If there is no evidence that the UK was planning to nuke Argentina, then there is no evidence. What do you want, me to make stuff up?
Just because you or I can't find any evidence doesn't mean there isn't any!
Old 21 February 2014, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Just because you or I can't find any evidence doesn't mean there isn't any!
Agreed, but in the absence of any evidence, try applying some logic
Old 21 February 2014, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Agreed, but in the absence of any evidence, try applying some logic
Oh I'm not saying there is anything to it, just playing devil's advocate to your sweeping statements!
Old 21 February 2014, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Oh I'm not saying there is anything to it, just playing devil's advocate to your sweeping statements!
It wasn't a sweeping statement

It's a logical, a wholly rational statement, based on the facts as we know them
Old 21 February 2014, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
It wasn't a sweeping statement

It's a logical, a wholly rational statement, based on the facts as we know them
You said 'it certainly wasn't remotely an option' which is not the same as 'we don't have the evidence to say it was an option but that doesn't mena there isn't any'
Old 21 February 2014, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
You said 'it certainly wasn't remotely an option' which is not the same as 'we don't have the evidence to say it was an option but that doesn't mena there isn't any'
You are an insufferable pillock sometimes.

You know full well what this means, and the fact that it's a completely accurate statement
Old 21 February 2014, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You are an insufferable pillock sometimes.

You know full well what this means, and the fact that it's a completely accurate statement
It was you who dismissively stated something as fact that you can not know to be fact..... and yet you think I am the pillock
Old 21 February 2014, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Agreed, but in the absence of any evidence, try applying some logic
Here we go, in the absence of evidence we just apply a bit of logic.
Old 21 February 2014, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
It was you who dismissively stated something as fact that you can not know to be fact..... and yet you think I am the pillock
Unless my suggestion as to his identity is correct, of course....
Old 21 February 2014, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
It wasn't a sweeping statement

It's a logical, a wholly rational statement, based on the facts as we know them
What facts? We don't have the facts because you didn't provide us with the evidence...
Old 21 February 2014, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
What facts? We don't have the facts because you didn't provide us with the evidence...
That just leaves you with logic and rational thought then...

...no wonder you are struggling to understand
Old 21 February 2014, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
That just leaves you with logic and rational thought then...

...no wonder you are struggling to understand
Ya know i'm beginning to wonder if you're secretly F1_fan in disguise. He's just used a very similar argument in the 'flood defence' thread.
Old 21 February 2014, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Osimabu
Unless my suggestion as to his identity is correct, of course....
Good point, not without its flaws mind :lo1l:
Old 21 February 2014, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
Ya know i'm beginning to wonder if you're secretly F1_fan in disguise. He's just used a very similar argument in the 'flood defence' thread.
Busted
Old 21 February 2014, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
That just leaves you with logic and rational thought then...

...no wonder you are struggling to understand
Do you realise you have just lost a large part of your argument against anything with this comment, the next time you ever ask to be presented with evidence of anything you will be told to apply logic.

Well done for shooting yourself in the foot. Lol
Old 21 February 2014, 02:47 PM
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Well regardless of the tittle tattle above, I'd have to question what the next move would have been should our invasion of failed, our ships sunk, our aircraft shot down and most/all of our men killed. I really can't believe Maggie would have said, "oh well, we tried but failed, so lets all move on and forget about it"

So what was Plan B?
Old 21 February 2014, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Do you realise you have just lost a large part of your argument against anything with this comment, the next time you ever ask to be presented with evidence of anything you will be told to apply logic.

Well done for shooting yourself in the foot. Lol
So I have to prove a negative - could be tricky.

If there is no evidence that the UK were considering / threatening the use of Nukes, then somehow I have to prove there is no evidence?...THERE IS NO EVIDENCE
Old 21 February 2014, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ^Qwerty^
Well regardless of the tittle tattle above, I'd have to question what the next move would have been should our invasion of failed, our ships sunk, our aircraft shot down and most/all of our men killed. I really can't believe Maggie would have said, "oh well, we tried but failed, so lets all move on and forget about it"

So what was Plan B?
There would probably of been some kind of UN negotiated settlement. Of course we'd would of been negotiating from a position of weakness in those circumstances
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Edited for accuracy.

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Old 21 February 2014, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
There would probably of been some kind of UN negotiated settlement. Of course we'd would of been negotiating from a position of weakness in those circumstances
Can't see it myself. Neither side was backing down and all diplomacy attempts failed. So assuming Argentina refused to budge, I really don't see how Maggie would have given up.

I guess a blockade of their shipping would have been an option, sinking anything that moves, but that could have gone on for months/years.
Old 21 February 2014, 04:17 PM
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I don't understand the hate toward Martin here? He is perfectly correct, if one claims something to be true, it is down to that person to prove it ideally with facts, not for the other person to refute it.
Old 21 February 2014, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
I don't understand the hate toward Martin here?
With him it's pretty much self inflicted.

Originally Posted by ReallyReallyGoodMeat
He is perfectly correct, if one claims something to be true, it is down to that person to prove it ideally with facts, not for the other person to refute it.
This is an interesting one now, I would say the opposite. If I called you a liar surely it would be down to me to prove you were one?


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