too much man love in this thread

 

Thought it would be entertaining

 

the AP Racing cp5200 is a lighter more competition orientated caliper, the cp6600 is a heavier, more cost effective road biased caliper........

5200's, etc. can be used on the road with no issue as long as you service them regular as with most BBK......

 

What the **** is happening to this forum every ***** is going mad, one minute theres a genuine discussion, next minute someone's got their **** out grating cheese off it pmsl

 

Lol thats along what i was thinking!

 

its only moobs, he just comes back to remember how it was before he came out and bought an mx5, not sure why he worried about brakes as if he had decent ones all his scissors and curlers would fall out in the boot.

 

Haha, now that's funny, alcazar is catching the cheese so if you want some you'll have to wait in que

 

He's and out of the boot you inbred fool

Clearly you know **** all as I don't own a mx5

 

Many thanks. Perfect.

 

The CP6600 has far better dust sealing , so much better suited to road cars , it's very reliable , powerful caliper , I would choose them over the 5200 , cheaper too.

Have fitted quite e few sets to rally cars with great effect , I have the smaller 7600 caliper fitted to my clio rally car , and that stops very very well with Ferodo DS3000 pads

 

Ian, I'm guessing the AP 6600 kit is one of the best 330mm off-the-shelf road setups for the Impreza? (As AP usually make great brakes).

Do the AP callipers offer excellent, confidence-inspiring, 'top of the pedal' feel? (My current K-Sport 330 setup, using 2500 pads, lacks this, IMO).

Have you tested and subjectively compared the 6600 kit to the K-Sport 330 kit? I'm guessing the AP kit trounces it?

 

AP Racing do not offer a 4pot 'formula' kit with anything other than cp5200's for the Subaru currently........

of course anything can be custom made
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Way better mate. I have the 6600.my mate had the k sport kit on his amd went for the ap 330mm kit and he said they are loads better. He tried all sorts of combos with the k sports. They were very good but the ap kit was just far better. I personally never have tried k sports but the majority favour the ap over k sports

 

Or do I have the 5200. Il have to check lol

 

I got on board Bren's first KSport group buy all those years ago, within a month the Allen head caliper bolts had rusted!...As mentioned, they work well but are **** poorly made.....!

Dont get me started on the BC coilovers....

 

Hi Ian

How many times you are rebuild'd or refurbished K-Sport or D2?
How many times you are rebuild'd or refurbished Alcon,Brembo or AP?

I would say you are refurbished more in yours life Alcon,Brembo,AP or OE 4pots than K-Sport or D2 calipers

Agree they're made from cheaper materials or don't have seals,but we run them for almost 4 years on our wagon without the single issue,although I've looked to get better discs and pads all the time,but who wouldn't

I wouldn't slate them for being cheaper,I've run them on our wagon as I said and I would recommend them all the time,they're good upgrade for WRX or STi and with right pads I've find them good as other makers


Jura

 

Better than eating everyone else's.

 

 

Hahaha, if that's you insinuating I kiss everyone's ****

Please show me where I have done that?

I don't kiss nobody's **** on here or anywhere for that matter, FACT! I say how I see it.

Pot and kettle

Have they made you mod yet?

 

If I paid the best part of a grand for a set of front calipers I'd expect them to be out of the box fantastic, not all this mucking about without different pads and discs malarky.
Reading this about Ksports not having the best design for seals etc, that they aren't fantastically well made, and looking for "better discs" I'm extremely put off the idea of Ksports.

AP's just look better quality as well. I don't think I've read a bad review on AP's.

 

the only K-sports i have ever held in my hand were the original orange ones, i got bren to send some in where i used to work as they were new on the market. i thought we had an understanding that i would have some brackets and bells etc machined to fit a cosworth, and give him the drawings etc in return for the brakes for one of our project cars.
when i mentioned id had the bells drilled he went ape**** lol and i ended up sending the kit back to him. he then expected all the drawings and measurements id made so they could produce the kits for the cosworths etc. he got told lol.

to look at they were ok, but as ian has said, they are not the best quality items ever made.

IF i ever bought a new set of brakes i personally would not buy k-sport/D2 or whatever.

a well proven set of AP, Brembo or Alcon would be purchased. but thats just MY personal opinion

 

well, you certainly dont see k-sport fitted by manufactures as OE eqipment to ANY cars, do you?

 

dont ksport use ap discs??.

ksport have changed the design on the latest calipers now too.

 

I've ran the Godspeed 335mm kit on my 03 WRX, and it was a good kit for the money. Never had any issues on road or track with them from a reliability point of view.


I've now got a K-sport set, and they're also decent. It does feel like the caliper flexes more than the GS kit did, however I'm not sure if this is actually true, or if it's just my hoses that are ballooning (however, i never had the same feeling with the GS kit, and the only material diff is the caliper from a flex point of view).

The one thing that does count in favour of the k-sport kit over the GS kit would in my opinion be the weight of the setup. The GS setup feels significantly heavier than the k-sports, and when I changed over, I noticed that my car skipped less over pot holes and other undulations. This is (I'm guessing) due to the much bigger disc (both dia + width), and also the use of the subaru steel caliper.


Regarding brakes, if I change in the future, I will get the smallest disc diameter I can get away with for my use (track + some road). From my own testing, I don't think I need even the 330mm kit and associated weight, so I might even try some fancy AP setup with smaller discs (if available), however for now I'm sticking with my k-sports (The cost to change could be better put towards other bits).

If I was buying again, given what Ian has said about the piston seal location, I'd probably go for a different caliper, especially if an "AP-like" setup was available for < 1000.

 

I think the AP 355mm discs will fit the K sport 355mm bells , but no other 330mm discs that I know of fit the 330mm bells , the K sport 330mm discs have a step where the bell fits on , so this affects the offset the bell needs to be , the AP discs are like ours , they are flat level with the pad area , with the K sport bells fitted give about 2mm less total offset which then makes the calipers drag on the disc.

I will be offering discs to fit both K sport setups , but the first set would need new bells to give the correct total offset , and from then onwards just a disc change.

I have seen pictures of the latest D2 calipers , and they look to have changed the seal design , perhaps they have encountered the issue's I have highlighted above , as far as I can see the K sport calipers haven't been changed yet.

When we were sent emails about the latest D2 caliper kits , they were only offering kits with drilled discs not grooved , which is a backward step , your buying a kit to increase the performance , and drilled discs taken to high temps will crack around the holes

 

i see, i have d2's not ksports.
mine are 355 and run grooved discs, i thought the dust seal were added in the revised designs.

i cant fault them t.b.h. but it does make me laugh when people refer to them as budget, if £1000 is budget to some people im in the wrong job.

i find them far better for fast road use than my brembos ever were but agreed ap and alcons are probably better built but as matty says above if they last 5 years before a rebuild thats not bad for performance brakes

 

Ian, can the AP CP6600 caliper 'be made' to fit around existing K-Sport 330mm bells/discs?

Or do you have to also have AP's own 330mm bells/discs for the caliper to fit i.e. the full c.£1,100 AP CP6600 kit?


(Apologies if you've already answered this elsewhere -- it gets a bit hard to keep up lol.)

 

The D2 calipers sold now are a brand new design , you will have the old design , which is the same as a K sport calipers , I don't mean similar , they are the same calipers made in the same factory , just with different logo's on them .

 

yes i am aware they are identical, the new versions are 6 pot. the olders 8

 

It probably can , but you would probably be better off selling the K sport kit complete , and buying a complete new kit with AP calipers , otherwise if your using the K sport discs , you will have a harder job selling the calipers and brackets on there own