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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 09:40 AM
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A bad month for the FTSE!
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 10:20 AM
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A bad month for the FTSE!
Yep, Chip's prediction is looking somewhat stupid now
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 10:46 AM
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Seems to be bothering you more than me though.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 11:40 AM
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Dip into some gold then. That seems to have well and truly bottomed out and is on the rise again. It smacked down hard on $1200, twice, but didn't break through properly.
Problem with gold is exactly HOW do you best invest in it.

I've never held physical gold because you have the risk of theft - if you insure it that is an overhead on holding it, and when you come to sell you lose a cut obviously, so unless you're buying a significant amount, and the price goes up significantly it just doesn't seem worth it.

The closest thing to gold I hold is shares in Randgold, and I'm surprised at how cheap they're trading at the moment - up today, but only slightly.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 12:07 PM
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Sovereigns or Britannias (because VAT & CGT Free), and you can hide some coins around the house easily enough - it's not like you get a massive pile of gold for your money! It's also very easy to lose them in the garden or something when the times comes.
Thanks, wasn't aware they were CGT free.

I'll probably start getting some in that case, just as a hedge against things getting really bad/hyperinflation.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Seems to be bothering you more than me though.
Well as your personal portfolio is of course bucking the trend in true Walter Mitty SN style then it woldn't be bothering you one iota would it?
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 02:11 PM
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As you have absolutely no idea what is in my portfolio you are merely speculating. Why would I lie about it anyway, I have no reason to.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline
He drives an AMG, he's superior
:So he says anyway.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 02:31 PM
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As you have absolutely no idea what is in my portfolio you are merely speculating. Why would I lie about it anyway, I have no reason to.
What? Other than to, once again, try and make yourself look financially smarter and better off than most of the other posters on here as you, like a few others, seem to think being more wealthy than others somehow makes you a better person than them.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 02:39 PM
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You keep on bringing this thread back to life , not me.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline
How's the depreciation on your AMG working out for you?
Who gives a ****? Cars depreciate! What's the point of your question?
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
to think being more wealthy than others somehow makes you a better person than them.
He says from the drivers seat of his AMG Mercedes
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline
You ... the person that's haemorrhaging money away like mad coming onto this thread and taking the **** out of Chip on the subject of investments
As ever you are missing the point. I admit my car is depreciating, Chip expects us to believe his portfolio has risen 11% when the markets are considerably lower than the start of the year.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 03:02 PM
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He says from the drivers seat of his AMG Mercedes
Which is doubtless worth a lot less than your car
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline
You don't know what's in his portfolio ... as has already been pointed out. The property market has done pretty well over the last 12 months, for example.
Yep, but I'd take a bet I'm right though.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yep, but I'd take a bet I'm right though.
Ooh I feel a little wager coming on here

Look back through some share threads on here and you'll see what shares I have or at least some of them anyway. And bear in mind I worked for Nat Grid, BG etc for years where I did share schemes for 25 years or more likewise the Mrs as well . Our shares from these one this year are well above 11% Inc this month's heavy falls. As for my car, once again you have no idea what I drive but its certainly not a convertible hairdressers car.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline

Uncertain Schadenfreude isn't becoming of you
He can revel in the misfortune of others all he likes but I'm afraid he's barking up the wrong tree on this one.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline
He did say in the OP that he was thinking about another BTL property, and he also said it "could be" a good year "according to some experts" ... so I think it's pretty harsh to come in a try make him look a tit because the FTSE is taking a beating at the moment.

Uncertain Schadenfreude isn't becoming of you
I believe "Schadenfreude" is his middle name!
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
He can revel in the misfortune of others all he likes but I'm afraid he's barking up the wrong tree on this one.
Maybe it's becuse his "unconventional" investments haven't done as well as yours.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Ooh I feel a little wager coming on here

Look back through some share threads on here and you'll see what shares I have or at least some of them anyway. And bear in mind I worked for Nat Grid, BG etc for years where I did share schemes for 25 years or more likewise the Mrs as well . Our shares from these one this year are well above 11% Inc this month's heavy falls. As for my car, once again you have no idea what I drive but its certainly not a convertible hairdressers car.
British Gas shares are down 20.4% since Jan 1st or do you have the magic ones no one else has?

I never said what car you had, I said your car was likely worth more than mine which seeing as you were using it as an example of wealth mattering makes you look a bit silly or is "the financial wizard" of SN lowering himself to tooling around in a sub £15K car... I doubt it... after all what would the neighbours say

As for this thread you posted saying what a great year for shareholders it would be... the subtext being how wonderful the country is again... when in fact it's turned to rat **** like I said it would! I am not revelling in anyone's misfortune... I just get fed up with the notion that we are somehow out of the mire when we are basically still economically f**ked like much of the rest of the world as fundamentally little has changed since 2008!
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Xline
If we're ALL f*cked, then who do we owe the money to? Jupiter?
Even the Chinese seem to be struggling recently, so who has the dominant economy at the moment?
I didn't say all, in fact you even underlined the bit where I said 'much of'. Your posting is very confusing.

As for the question I still think China holds the aces despite a relatively bumpy ride for them recently.
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 09:48 PM
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Top 1% 'own half global wealth' - Credit Suisse report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29641109

There are simply not enough poor people, with enough money to buy the **** that makes the rich people rich

It is simple economics
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 09:50 PM
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Unless its done with cheap credit, oh hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Oct 16, 2014 | 09:58 PM
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Mmmm you've broken the first rule of fight club
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Top 1% 'own half global wealth' - Credit Suisse report

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29641109

There are simply not enough poor people, with enough money to buy the **** that makes the rich people rich

It is simple economics
Marx's immiseration thesis in action.
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 11:07 AM
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A good day for me. HSBC sent me a letter offering to pay me £2,700 as compensation 'cos they let me trade some derivatives a few years ago for which the failed 'to check the suitability for me'.

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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 11:13 AM
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Trading derivatives? Are you actually trying to increase your wealth by doing "nothing"?
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Trading derivatives? Are you actually trying to increase your wealth by doing "nothing"?


Yes but he is just trying to survive in a system he did not create, you are scum on the other hand as you 'revel' in it.


Looks like he made a pigs ear of it anyway
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Trading derivatives? Are you actually trying to increase your wealth by doing "nothing"?
As ETF's yes. This was back in '08 and I lost some money and made some money, but quickly decided that I was taking too many risks so jacked it in. After this I only held various FTSE 100 shares or things like ETF's linked to indexes. But for about a year now I haven't been active, since I am 'supposed' to looking for house, so my money is cash.
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Looks like he made a pigs ear of it anyway
No I was up overall but this is to cover some deals where I made a loss, plus interest.
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