Hahahahaha EFA

 

Here is a quote from The Mirror....

"Prosecutor David Perry QC said he was found with an AK47 rifle, two magazines of ammunition, and a hand grenade but was “out of the fight”.

Mr Perry said: “They were intent on killing their detainee, who was harmless and posed no danger to the defendants given his extremely serious injuries."

.........

Er, now is it just me that thinks a man with an AK47 and a Hand Grenade cannot be described as "posed no danger"?

 

Given the circumstances in this case, the three soldiers didn't think he posed a threat to their safety before he was executed.

 

I hadn't really paid much attention to this story before but having viewed / listened to the video it was clearly a premeditated killing and therefore murder.

The sentence given was correct.

IMO anyone saying otherwise either has a vested interest in it or is just plain stupid.

 

FFS what do you think you are doing reading up and researching the case before making your comments, that's not the SN way at all

 

Very true

 

My mate has witnessed a couple of Welsh people turning from speaking English to Welsh, upon realising he was an Englander.

 

Yes they do it all the time, my kids can speak it so they tell me what they are saying!

 

That will be the Gogs up north, they are the worst!

 

AAC Groundcrew in Bastion at a guess?
Geotag turned off is it?

 

Nope, nope, no idea?

 

Any juicy anecdotes?

 

Given the fact they were able to stand around the insurgent and have a bit of a chat before they shot him, I'd say he probably want posing much of a threat.

 

Geotagging on photographs?

You not aware of the security implications of leaving it enabled allowing people to get the geo data extracted and transferred to a map, allowing the identification of your location?

Do I detect a "Walt" or a Rock Ape?

 

Busted! Nice one Trooper.

 

The pic was taken back in 2006 on an old mobile phone, well before geo tagging came about. I've never edited any info out of any of my military photos no. For what reason would I do that anyway, both CB and Kandahar airfield are well known locations, they're hardly Area 51.

Haha a Walt, yeah okay then, good god.

What is it that's nice and busted?

My profession, the cars that I drive, my military past or that I even exist? What is it that is troubling you?

You're a very strange chap Einstein

 

Ha, David Camerons decided to come on for a troll.

 

Takes one to know one Mitchy or do you prefer Walt?

 

Hello, do I detect man love?

 

Haha, you can call me whatever you like but Im intrigued as to what it is you think I'm lying about? You are aware that well over 100,000 troops have served in Afghanistan yes? Why on earth would I lie you crazy man, I can understand the Walt thing with the ''Hey Im Sgt Smith, D Squadron, 22 SAS Hereford'' but for someone to accuse you of lying having served in the military is a tad strange and bordering on desperation seeing as there are literally millions of us ex forces going back over the years?

Keep digging yourself a hole tho fella

Perhaps I should post an in cockpit one, just to keep the wheels turning...



I wonder how I got myself in there, I'm just someone that polishes the marines boots afterall

 

Doesn't stop the images potentially being covered by the official secrets act...

 

You couldn't detect a nipple in a barrel of ****!

 

Groundcrew Kandhar, so I was not far off or a passing battlefield tourist (plenty of them around). I have many photo's of sh*t I have never played with but they are for me, not to profess to or give the impression of being something I am not. JonMc as pictures of himself on a CVR but he don't crew them as a RAF girly ().

Many of the 100,000 have done multiple tours, the majority of ground troops do six months not four.

What you have to remember is that the military are in the ascendance but soon Ops will finish and we'll be *****ng squaddies again soon.

 

We're fighting a War against the Taliban, Extremists, Terrorists, whatever you want to call them. Our lad did wrong(**** rules), but honestly, I don't give a toss what he did, the dirty ***** they're fighting against would do far far worse. Someone one minute trying to kill me, then the next minute he's half dead on the floor infront of me, I'm sure I'd do the same.

I'm sorry I'm not a Do-Gooder, I will never side with the Taliban(like a few on here)

 

No, but if you stand facing a mirror you will be able to detect a sad ****!

 

Roots lie in Pakistan (well, India pre partition).

Religion is Islam.

My opinion of the governments blind decision to follow the Americans on their crusade of terror is that we should never have got involved and told them to sort their own **** out.

I really admire the courage and strength of Flight Lieutenant Malcolm Kendall-Smith. If we had more folk like him then our government would not be able to 'use' young men as pawns in their game of war.

I don't think Brit soldiers are murdering terrorists just like i don't think Spanish soldiers are nor do i think that all Taliban are extremist folk (reasons why ref Yvonne Ridleys testimony) . I have an open mind and treat people how they come. At the same time i don't buy the whole 'just following orders' argument. What if the order was to rape a village (hypothetically speaking?) would they comply? The we are better than then plea doesn't come into it either. Remember in ?WW2 our allied forces (Russains) went on a rape spree and these were the good guys. As has been said war is ugly and i am against it.

Many of my own coloured people call me a coconut which is basically a jibe meaning brown on the outside but inside just like any other white man whilst on the other side of the coin i have white folk insisting that i'm Bin Ladens right hand man. My best friend when i was younger was a NF guy. What stopped me from being a total coconut was the racism i received from a lot of the kids in school who made it very clear that i am not an equal to them and sadly so did their parents. Their loss though as now i'm simply better than them. Hate will only destroy yourself.

If WW3 ever happens i would have reservations fighting for anyone. I would have no problems helping in defence of the army in the right. You see. The 'right' is more important than religion, race or nationality (which is pretty much like gang banging but on a larger scale). If the Pakistani Army wanted to take over Britain and spread their ways then i would be on the British side, if it was Britain attacking Pakistan to spread the British way then i would be on the Pakistani side. Saying that i would have to be on the defence team not on the offence. It might sound extremist to you and some others however i believe that when i am questioned by God (if there is one - i'm convinced but that's another thread) i would rather answer i done the right thing rather than followed the majority like sheep. I could not kill someone unjustly or just because some guy or Imam told me to do so. There would have to be a justifiable reason.

That is it really. You might think that is a bit 'traitor' however ask the same question of any ethnic type and i don't just mean Muslims and the answer would be the one you want to hear even if it was a lie. However when push comes to shove many would defect.

 

As an ex squaddie, the guy did wrong, he still has a duty even if the guy is full of holes, the point is that he has to comply with the geneva convention even if the opposition dont, its hard in some cases if you see your mate getting his leg blown off, the adrenalin is hitting you hard and you are on a buzz, this is the phrase "red mist" kicking in but he knew exactly what he was doing, it may not seem fair but there is also a duty of care issue, hard to except as it is, and like it or not, you still have to do it.
Mitigating circumstances can play a part, ive known guys suffer from ptsd years after being in a conflict zone, the stress in a combat zone is horrendous and it does have an effect on how you behave, but this.... not acceptable, sorry.

Leo, please stop making an **** of yourself, I still know helecopter pilots who have fhought out in Afgan, including Apache pilots and Chinook pilots, they dont need to post pictures up, if anything even the SF guys ive worked with were very sedate when it comes to what they do.

Tony

 

I was neither AAC ground crew or a passing battlefield tourist. You do not get to sit in an Apache in Afghanistan if you are a passing battlefield tourist, not even as a lieutenant colonel wanting a tour round the helicopter, the front is so tight and one wrong move getting in and out of the seat will break the cyclic control linkage. (Big big beer book fine for that one) I have hundreds of pictures and I did get to play with them, pretty much every day for the 5 or so years I was in an Apache squadron (used to be 9AAC out of Dishforth, North Yorks, but they moved south to Wattisham, 3AAC/4AAC sometime in 2007 just after I had left)

In the early days back in 2006, we only done 4 month tours. Fortunately, I only did the one and left to do exactly the same job in the oil and gas sector as it's much more rewarding financially.



I do miss military life from time to time, the Apaches, the guys, the excitement etc but both wars have been a mistake in my honest opinion. Okay, Bin Laden and Hussein are dead and their regimes are weakened but we have lost too many lives and not really achieved a lot. Give it a few years and Afghanistan will be back under Taliban control. We should have pulled out years ago, but thankfully not long left and our boys will be home for good.

Anyway, the thread has gone off on a tangent, over and out.

Shaid, nice structured post fella, most certainly respectful of your views

 

You don't need to be sorry you're not a do-gooder, you are as entitled to an opinion as anyone else, just the same as I'm not sorry I am not a supporter of the actions of this soldier (apparently a do-gooder according to some on here).

To add, I can't speak for other people, although I'd imagine the same could be said for them, but I am very much not on the side of the Taliban. I hate the fact that they would (brutally) extinguish the life of one of ours if the situation was reversed and that is one of the reasons why I cannot accept what our soldier did was ok. If I was to think it was ok, then I would be siding with the Taliban.

 

In the British military that would be classed as an illegal order. Illegal to be given or obeyed. The definition of illegal orders is made quite clear to our service personnel.