94impreza

I'd say a more intelligent approach than accepting we are allowing Paedophiles into this country.

It's called stemming the flow. Wasn't it you that said "This country is ****ed up enough as it is?" on a similar thread recently.



What makes you say they are UK citizens and please provide proof to back this up.

It is. Why waste resources vetting immigrants, then catching the ones that break the law, then putting them in our prison which are already expensive and over crowded.


It may be natural for an EDL supporter.


Would you consider blowing up a bus full of innocent and unsuspecting people a crime against humanity?. How about flying planes into buildings and killing thousands?.
Can you explain why you think it was acceptable to prevent The ****'s invading the UK, but it's not acceptable to prevent terrorists and paedophiles coming into the UK?.

94impreza

Stop all immigration just because this country is already a mess and we as a nation have enough problems to deal with without adding to it.
The statistics on the high percentage of paedophiles within the Muslim community only backs that argument.
It's only people living in sheltered regions who do not find the level of immigrants a problem, and its this ignorance that puts this country in the state it is in.
The rest of the population is frustrated, beat-down and walking on egg shells.

Mouser

Is that your idea of foreplay?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I wouldn't, I'd say it's moronic!

Yes, but IMO it's mainly fcuked up by the lazy homegrown scum, the welfare state generations and a succession of p1ss poor governments. Immigration is the least of our problems!

Reading the court cases

Because this country needs immigrants, they aren't all paedophiles you know

You would know more about that than me

Yep, what's your point? Neither of those incidents has anything to do with immigration or the ***** or paedophiles for that matter! One occured in NY and the other in London and was carried out by British citizens who were all born here!

I have never said it is acceptable so why you would say that is beyond me. As far as I know we do try to prevent terrorists and paedophles from entering the UK, but a blanket ban on immigration is not the answer for any number of obvious reasons. Also I am not sure why you are banging on about the ***** all the time either.... subliminal message there I think.

Martin2005

Just as I thought, you are shamelessly using the issue of grooming to justify your views on immigration.

94impreza

Give me a worse-case-scenario if immigration were to be stopped over night.

I'd agree with most of that except that immigration isn't a problem. Can I assume you live in an area with fairly low levels of immigrants?.


Please provide proof as requested.


I didn't say that they were. Why do we need immigrants?.


If I were an EDL supporter I'd have no problem declaring it. I'm not btw .


9/11 was carried out by US born citizens?. Or were they immigrants who had applied to become US citizens?.

A hypothetical question for you....
Person x is arriving in the UK with the intention to live here. In 50 years time his Grandson will kill 1,000 people in a terrorist attack. What should we do now to prevent this from happening?.



Vetting immigrants, especially Asian Muslim men that could be paedophiles obviously isn't working. What do you suggest we do in future to prevent this from happening again?

Shaid

Yeah, wanna play?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Look, here's the irony of your stance. You want a scorched earth policy on immigration... it should be stopped completely because according to you it would stop paedophiles (and latterly you have introduced terrorists into the equation) from entering the country and yet you are using an argument about Hitler as your lever here.... the same Hitler who took the same style of policy against anything that stood in his way

If you can't see the good side of the UK's immigration policy over the last 50 years then I can't help you as it's kind of obvious. Your problem is you only see the negative! It would be like me declaring that all white Anglo Saxons are scum when only a proportion of them are! There is no balance to your views.

Sorry, but at the end of the day I can't help but feel your arguments about paedophilies and terrorists are nothing more than an excuse for you to reinforce a dislike of immigrants in general... a view you are entitled to, but stop trying to justify it by daft arguments!

As for your hypothetical situation if we knew that in 50 years the grandson of someone was going to do something then of course we could act, but the same applies to anyone of any race or creed and of course the chasm of a gaping hole in your argument is we don't know the future do we... or are we going to start punishing people for what they or their descendents might do one day

PS I live between Blackburn and Burnley so no, no immigrants here

Mouser

No, but I think f1_fan and you would get along well together.

94impreza

You are failing to provide answers to questions. It's ok to say my argument is x, y and z but you provide no real ideas of what you would do instead. For example....

What exactly should we do to prevent this? "Something" isn't good enough. I want a step by step guide on what you would do, where you would find resources and how would you prevent this ever happening. Remember there is no room for failure.
You are completely unable to answer why we desperately need immigrants, why this country would be a better place with them or what you would do to prevent them committing crime.
You provide no argument whatsoever so appear to be giving up....
I see the positive's in having different cultures and races in the UK, but there comes a point where the positives outweigh the negatives. This isn't about Muslim's either. If you provided proof that Romanians have a tendency to burgle then I'd say the same. I'm a firm believer in prevention being better than cure.

F1_fan until you are able to provide any shred of an argument please refrain from replying.

Leslie

Why are you effectively accusing the whole of Sn of being hypocrites when most of us dont read the rubbish paper that you read so we had not seen the article anyway?

You would do well to reconsider your attitudes in general!

Les

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Hang on a second, YOU are the one who thinks we need a solution,. I don't have a problem with things as they are. You cannot ever totally prevent paedophiles from existing as unless you can isolate what makes someone a paedophile from what doesn't you have no way of telling! As far as I know no one has done that yet! The police and authorities have realised the extent of the problem and are getting on top of it with dedicated taskforces to target the offenders and bring them to justice! You however want to stop immigration completely despite the fact that many of the paedophiles are white and UK born and bred.

Fresh talents, ideas, cultures, entrepreneurs, brains, qualified people, people with ingenuity, dedication, a work ethic, making the most of the opportunity that the UK provides and making money for the UK etc. etc. That curry you like on a Saturday night, the bus you get home from the pub, the shop on the corner still open at 11pm.... all run by immigrants prepared to do lower skilled and lower paid jobs.

For instance in 1972 there was an influx of Ugandan Asians fleeing Idi Amin, these created huge prosperity in the parts of Britain where they lived, and went on to rise to the top of many industries and jobs.

The same as we should do for preventing anyone committing crime. Why are you so concerned with just the immigrants. I have asked this over and over and no one gives me an answer... just another statement of conjecture dressed up as fact!

And that time has not come yet so don't worry about it.

But you haven't provided any proof that Muslims have more tendency to commit crimes than anyone else.... all just circumstantial nonsense.

I have provided arguments galore on this thread and on many others. Your trouble is you don't want to hear them and just want to keep beating the anti immigrant drum. You could do well to befriend a few instead particularly ones with a better command of the English language than you of which there are plenty

P.S. I can't answer your hypothetical 50 years grandson thing as it's utter nonsense!

joz8968

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ScoobyWon't

Just to keep things balanced, here's another article to make us all appear racist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stitution.html

94impreza

OK so you don't think we need a solution to English girls getting raped? We should knowingly allow paedophiles into this country even though we can't catch the one's that are born and bred?.
You don't have a problem because it doesn't effect you.


This sums up for me your lack of experience or lack of contact with immigrants. Romanians, Bulgarians and Polish take the money they earn in the UK back to their home countries. If you live in an area with a lot of immigrants then you obviously don't leave your house very often.


They would be asylum seekers? I have no problem with people coming to the UK if they are genuinely seeking solace from a terrifying situation.

You've been given figures in this thread, % of paedophiles coming from Asian Muslim backgrounds. Here's some more....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/378...isoners-rising

According to the statistics, the number of Romanian inmates rose from 454 in September 2011 to 624 last month.
Fraudsters from the former Eastern bloc country are responsible for 92 per cent of all ATM crime in Britain, according to police figures.


It has. Most of the general public I speak to want immigration to stop immediately. The first semi-trustworthy politician with enough ***** to say this will be the future prime minister.


That was provided on the first page of this thread by another user.


No what you have said is that nothing needs to change and you don't know how to prevent Muslim Paedophiles entering the UK. You have provided no solutions to anything, no facts or figures to back your argument and no real credibility to support the UK's immigration.
I work alongside more immigrants than the average, Polish/Romanian/Bulgarian as well as Pakistani/Ugandan. I also live in a town with 3 mosques.


Unfortunately it's not hypothetical. X amount of years ago immigrants came into this country who would give birth to those who would commit the acts of 7/7 or the 2 muslims who beheaded the soldier recently in Woolich. So what would you suggest is done to prevent this happening again, or would you also say this is acceptable?.

Mouser

Where is that hypocrite Sti Addict?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

We aren't knowingly allowing paedophiles in to the UK, what a stupid thing to say!!!


Thank you for jumping to conclusions as to my experience with immigrants. For your information I have worked with Muslims, have friends who are Asian, Indonesian, Thai, my mate's wife is Rumanian, my neighbour is from Somalia and my partner is an Aussie so don't tell me about what little experience I have. What about ..... I am guessing you just knock around with white skinheads... sorry if I am wrong and jumping to conclusions but you started it



Very magnanimous of you lol



Yep figures that even the people who collated them admit are not very scientific. Anyway as I said before as white British born people also commit crimes I see no reason to focus on just the immigrants.




I should take a look at who you knock around with if that is the answer you keep getting. They sound thick as f**k to me!




No a higher percentage get caught and the figures are not conclusive as mentioned above. Anyway as said all this only applies if only immigrants committed crimes!




Do they know they work with someone who wants them not to be allowed in here in the first place? I suspect not. I have provided plenty to back up my arguments, you just don't like any of it or is it too hard for you to understand.




It is hypothetical as no one knew this was going to happen. Why you can't understand that is beyond me. By your logic we should exterminate everyone as one or two of them will become a Fred West or an Ian Huntley. You are quite bonkers or on a wind up. I don't know which!

Shaid

See what i mean!

Muslim Nonces everywhere!!!!!

You guys need to put an end to this as we as a community have our heads buried in the sand!

Deport us all now!!!





























Please

ScoobyWon't

Is it a race thing or just not being very good criminals?

The odd white guy gets caught, granted, and there are all of these reports about Asian gangs being convicted, but I'm struggling to remember the last time a black gang or black male working alone made the headlines. Is it because blacks don't commit this particular crime or they just don't get caught?

mrmadcap

I think we should balance things out so this issue doesn't appear racist and try to find a case of a group of white guys grooming young Asian girls.

Shaid

Plenty of black rapes. The cases are out there bit they just won't highlight the obvious.

I don't know why the Pakistani guys do such a thing. I guess they are just crap people.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

"There's been a rape up theeere!

"See, phased him."

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

You won't as the Asian community isn't stupid enough to let young Asian girls out on the streets at night

White guys doing the raping in this one though:

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/LU...#axzz2VNgz1bU9

Truss

iTrader: (2)

There are so many things wrong with that statement it's untrue. I'm not sure that you're not being ironic?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Stop talking in riddles, what is wrong with it? By and large you will never see young Asian girls hanging around in takeaways or on street corners in the middle of the night! You say different?

hodgy0_2

Agreed, the customer is not always right

94impreza

If we know x% of Asian males prey on young English white girls, and we allow Asian males into the country, then we are knowingly allowing paedophiles into the country. In the same respect if Romanians are responsible for the majority of bank/credit card fraud and we still allow Romanian immigrants into the country, we're likely to see a rise in the same crime. Common sense, not racism.



I'm not jumping to conclusions. If you were closer to Romanians/Bulgarians etc then you wouldn't make statements about them making money for the UK, you'd know they take their money home.



Nobody said "just the immigrants", but if there were no immigrants, or the population was growing at a slower rate then it's common sense there wouldn't be as much of a strain on resources.



If you actually spoke to the many races you apparently know, you'd know they quite freely tell anyone who will listen how easy it is to come to the UK, make money and take it home. They aren't grateful, they see us as mugs.




So we should ignore the fact immigrants do commit crimes. When they are caught, and they go to our prisons, who pays for them to be there?


You've provided no solutions, facts or figures to support your argument. I think the basis of your argument is that you quite like your neighbour.


Is it hypothetical to assume x% of Romanian immigrants will get involved with ATM crimes, or has it been proven that is the case?. Is it so hard for you to get your head around the fact if more Romanians migrate here, its likely ATM crime will rise?.

Your idea of life in the modern UK seems to be very idealistic.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Lol, I was being silly.... That was a David Brent quote.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

So, in order to provide evidence to the contrary, the one example you find has 'Ijaz Ahmed'

Shaid

Great, so now both races are sharing peado activities. Just great.