Woolich attack WTF!!
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I've not a nano-second for conspiracy theory if that's what you mean by "independent thought". Yes, I now consider myself spiritually and philosophically and culturally Christian (and a secularist and a Darwinist) after years of atheism and no I don't have a grudge against Muslims. I have an issue with Islamists who are invariably Muslims and the useful idiots who support their narrative and I would expect any informed Englishman to think and feel the same.
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It is a load of bollox. Muslim communities in the UK fail to integrate! Tell me WTF is integrate? Should they get pissed every weekend and bash a randomn person? Have lots of ******* children and claim a council house with full benefits? Should they join the army (i know a Muslim fella who did try in the 70's and his application was thrown away and he was told we don't want your type in our army - how this is all changed now), maybe we should join the national trust seriously wtf do you want us to do to integrate? Not build mosques i suppose but that's got nothing to do with integration has it. If we can't build mosques then sikhs can't have temples. Hang on a sec Sikhs fought or in world wars. Oh yeah, very true. Hmmm so did Muslims and a lot of them too. In fact i wish those Muslims could see how the country appreciates their sacrifices now.
Here's another one, the police are scared to go into Muslim areas. Hahahahhahaha. I really wish this was the case. I'd save a hell of a lot of money with no insurance or tax.
Oh yeah, the peaceful majority are going to become murderers as soon as the fanatics own us. Hahahhahahhahahahha and breath actually one more for the sheer stupidity hahahahahahahahahahhahahaha.
Here's another one, the police are scared to go into Muslim areas. Hahahahhahaha. I really wish this was the case. I'd save a hell of a lot of money with no insurance or tax.
Oh yeah, the peaceful majority are going to become murderers as soon as the fanatics own us. Hahahhahahhahahahha and breath actually one more for the sheer stupidity hahahahahahahahahahhahahaha.
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There's a post by All Tourlk a few pages back with similar............>
"But let’s start by examining what emerged from the mouths of the assailants themselves. In an accent that was pure London, according to one of the courageous women who intervened at the scene, one alleged killer claimed he was “… fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan …”. It is unclear whether it was the same man, or his alleged co-assailant, who said “… bring our [Note: our] troops home so we can all live in peace”.
It should by now be self-evident that by attacking Muslims overseas, you will occasionally spawn twisted and, as we saw yesterday, even murderous hatred at home. We need to recognise that, given the continued role our government has chosen to play in the US imperial project in the Middle East, we are lucky that these attacks are so few and far between". These words being from a former soldier who refused to go back to duty after what he had seen in Iraq.
Indeed, if there is collective responsibility for the killings, it belongs to the hawks whose policies have caused bloodbaths – directly, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, and indirectly in places as far apart as Woolwich and Boston, which in turn have created political space for the far right to peddle their hatred, as we saw in the immediate aftermath of the Woolwich attack.
"Terrorism" is a term widely used for the killing of innocents. So all the innocent women and children killed in Iraq (death toll being 750,000 in total the last i heard a few years back, which has more than likely risen since then), is that not terrorism?
What we must do now is straightforward enough. Our own responsibilities are first of all to make sure innocents are not subject to blanket punishment for things that they did not do, and to force our government – safe in their houses – to put an end to Britain’s involvement in the vicious foreign occupations that have again created bloodshed in London.
It should by now be self-evident that by attacking Muslims overseas, you will occasionally spawn twisted and, as we saw yesterday, even murderous hatred at home. We need to recognise that, given the continued role our government has chosen to play in the US imperial project in the Middle East, we are lucky that these attacks are so few and far between". These words being from a former soldier who refused to go back to duty after what he had seen in Iraq.
Indeed, if there is collective responsibility for the killings, it belongs to the hawks whose policies have caused bloodbaths – directly, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, and indirectly in places as far apart as Woolwich and Boston, which in turn have created political space for the far right to peddle their hatred, as we saw in the immediate aftermath of the Woolwich attack.
"Terrorism" is a term widely used for the killing of innocents. So all the innocent women and children killed in Iraq (death toll being 750,000 in total the last i heard a few years back, which has more than likely risen since then), is that not terrorism?
What we must do now is straightforward enough. Our own responsibilities are first of all to make sure innocents are not subject to blanket punishment for things that they did not do, and to force our government – safe in their houses – to put an end to Britain’s involvement in the vicious foreign occupations that have again created bloodshed in London.
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Personally I would rather the chavs and single mothers with children by different fathers exploit the system rather than these scum.
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I have not read the thread as i'm sure there is plenty of far right wing crap in it and i've read enough of that to last a life time recently. It's funny how the far right lately have latched onto our armed services to promote their own political views. Quite an insult considering the enemy during ww2 were fascists.
I was quite shaken by this attack as those Woolwich barracks were where i did my basic. It was 17th RA TRG HQ & depot back then and was a high active IRA target. In '79 the pub over the road was blown up killing 2 and in '83 the guard house was completely destroyed leaving a 15 ft crater. There were several other attacks with explosive devices being thrown over the fence and pot shots taken at army personnel over the years. The IRA terrorists who carried out the attacks in '79 and '83 were people who had lived in the London area for years . One was a little old lady who was thought by her neighbours to be harmless and very nice. Her house was a bomb making factory. The only thing now that's changed is the colour/religion of the terrorists.
When i was at Woolwich it was a chargeable offence to leave the barracks dressed in anything that identified you as a soldier unless on Army business because of the terrorist threat. Sadly it looks like this lad may have been singled out as being army because of his Help for hero's sweat shirt. Home grown terrorism is nothing new in the UK and it's certainly is nothing new in Woolwich. To think your safe once back in the uk and will not be targeted is a mistake i hope will not be repeated. We are at war and the enemy are amongst us, just like the days of the IRA.
RIP Drummer Lee Rigby.
I was quite shaken by this attack as those Woolwich barracks were where i did my basic. It was 17th RA TRG HQ & depot back then and was a high active IRA target. In '79 the pub over the road was blown up killing 2 and in '83 the guard house was completely destroyed leaving a 15 ft crater. There were several other attacks with explosive devices being thrown over the fence and pot shots taken at army personnel over the years. The IRA terrorists who carried out the attacks in '79 and '83 were people who had lived in the London area for years . One was a little old lady who was thought by her neighbours to be harmless and very nice. Her house was a bomb making factory. The only thing now that's changed is the colour/religion of the terrorists.
When i was at Woolwich it was a chargeable offence to leave the barracks dressed in anything that identified you as a soldier unless on Army business because of the terrorist threat. Sadly it looks like this lad may have been singled out as being army because of his Help for hero's sweat shirt. Home grown terrorism is nothing new in the UK and it's certainly is nothing new in Woolwich. To think your safe once back in the uk and will not be targeted is a mistake i hope will not be repeated. We are at war and the enemy are amongst us, just like the days of the IRA.
RIP Drummer Lee Rigby.
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At the end of the day you can post up horrific images of wounded children but unless you also show evidence of who did this where and when its nothing more than proaganda for shock value. This is a tactic constantly used by the jihadists.
What Mosque do you attend?
edit.. seems STi Addict and his posts have vanished.
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I have not read the thread as i'm sure there is plenty of far right wing crap in it and i've read enough of that to last a life time recently. It's funny how the far right lately have latched onto our armed services to promote their own political views. Quite an insult considering the enemy during ww2 were fascists.
I was quite shaken by this attack as those Woolwich barracks were where i did my basic. It was 17th RA TRG HQ & depot back then and was a high active IRA target. In '79 the pub over the road was blown up killing 2 and in '83 the guard house was completely destroyed leaving a 15 ft crater. There were several other attacks with explosive devices being thrown over the fence and pot shots taken at army personnel over the years. The IRA terrorists who carried out the attacks in '79 and '83 were people who had lived in the London area for years . One was a little old lady who was thought by her neighbours to be harmless and very nice. Her house was a bomb making factory. The only thing now that's changed is the colour/religion of the terrorists.
When i was at Woolwich it was a chargeable offence to leave the barracks dressed in anything that identified you as a soldier unless on Army business because of the terrorist threat. Sadly it looks like this lad may have been singled out as being army because of his Help for hero's sweat shirt. Home grown terrorism is nothing new in the UK and it's certainly is nothing new in Woolwich. To think your safe once back in the uk and will not be targeted is a mistake i hope will not be repeated. We are at war and the enemy are amongst us, just like the days of the IRA.
RIP Drummer Lee Rigby.
I was quite shaken by this attack as those Woolwich barracks were where i did my basic. It was 17th RA TRG HQ & depot back then and was a high active IRA target. In '79 the pub over the road was blown up killing 2 and in '83 the guard house was completely destroyed leaving a 15 ft crater. There were several other attacks with explosive devices being thrown over the fence and pot shots taken at army personnel over the years. The IRA terrorists who carried out the attacks in '79 and '83 were people who had lived in the London area for years . One was a little old lady who was thought by her neighbours to be harmless and very nice. Her house was a bomb making factory. The only thing now that's changed is the colour/religion of the terrorists.
When i was at Woolwich it was a chargeable offence to leave the barracks dressed in anything that identified you as a soldier unless on Army business because of the terrorist threat. Sadly it looks like this lad may have been singled out as being army because of his Help for hero's sweat shirt. Home grown terrorism is nothing new in the UK and it's certainly is nothing new in Woolwich. To think your safe once back in the uk and will not be targeted is a mistake i hope will not be repeated. We are at war and the enemy are amongst us, just like the days of the IRA.
RIP Drummer Lee Rigby.
When i went to lichfield got off at the same station waited across the road for the coach to turn up.when we got to the Barracks a few of the recruits had DPM rucksacks and the corporal called them all out those that had the rucksacks,and they got a bit of a bollocking in front of everyone,and a sharp reminder of the shooting that happened.
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Do you remember years back when those recruits were shot at Lichfield train station by the IRA.
When i went to lichfield got off at the same station waited across the road for the coach to turn up.when we got to the Barracks a few of the recruits had DPM rucksacks and the corporal called them all out those that had the rucksacks,and they got a bit of a bollocking in front of everyone,and a sharp reminder of the shooting that happened.
When i went to lichfield got off at the same station waited across the road for the coach to turn up.when we got to the Barracks a few of the recruits had DPM rucksacks and the corporal called them all out those that had the rucksacks,and they got a bit of a bollocking in front of everyone,and a sharp reminder of the shooting that happened.
I remember a lad when i was in jail in Woolwich , he got busted for wearing his uniform at the train station while going home on leave. I asked him why? It was nothing more than him posing , apparently he left the barracks in civvys then got changed in the train station toilets. He felt unlucky he had been caught, leave cancelled and now in the guard house jail with the rest of us naughty boys
He was lucky it was an RA Bombardier that caught him and not a paddy with a cause . No offence to any irish members here of course.
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Yes i do, i seem to recall it was one lad shot dead on the train station but it was a long time ago and i have systematicly destroyed a fair few brain cells over the years so could be wrong
I remember a lad when i was in jail in Woolwich , he got busted for wearing his uniform at the train station while going home on leave. I asked him why? It was nothing more than him posing , apparently he left the barracks in civvys then got changed in the train station toilets. He felt unlucky he had been caught, leave cancelled and now in the guard house jail with the rest of us naughty boys He was lucky it was an RA Bombardier that caught him and not a paddy with a cause . No offence to any irish members here of course.
I remember a lad when i was in jail in Woolwich , he got busted for wearing his uniform at the train station while going home on leave. I asked him why? It was nothing more than him posing , apparently he left the barracks in civvys then got changed in the train station toilets. He felt unlucky he had been caught, leave cancelled and now in the guard house jail with the rest of us naughty boys
He was lucky it was an RA Bombardier that caught him and not a paddy with a cause . No offence to any irish members here of course. Brain cells yea me too,won't get any of them back.I only remember because it was my first lesson on not painting yourself for a target.But we were all proud of the uniform even though things were more strict back then.
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Yeah right ,a young athletic thug with a crew cut convincing peeps where civil servants it seems to be all very open now days. Joe public and the media label these men and women hero's and our government want them to be seen in uniform and as role models. What young lad doesn't look at a uniformed soldier with a hero status and want some of that glory for himself. all part of the constant flow for recruitment and building public support for un-popular wars. Maybe im just an old synic but like you remember and respect why those rules were in place back in our day. It's as or more dangerous now than it was in our day but there seems to be more complacency.
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exactly. all religion is evil and prays on peoples fear with the intent to control and brainwash. The amount of war and death it's caused over the years. That's one hell of a destructive make believe friend.
I'll gag the hate clerics: Cameron to launch new terror task force to stamp out religious extremism
LOL at The Daily Mail.... they are never happier than at times like this
As for Cameron (assuming any of it is true as this is the Daily Scum) is this like his 'I'llg et rid of Abu Qatada' or his 'I will have a bonfire of the Quangos' neither of which has happened
LOL at The Daily Mail.... they are never happier than at times like this
As for Cameron (assuming any of it is true as this is the Daily Scum) is this like his 'I'llg et rid of Abu Qatada' or his 'I will have a bonfire of the Quangos' neither of which has happened
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I wanted to make my view on this.
I truly believe that Islam (Muslims) are being given a hard time in general. Let me explain my point (I'm not very good at putting my thorghts into written words). It seams that among send the peaceful true Muslims there are the extram hate preaching fanatics that have in my view a deluded twisted view of the teachings in the Koran. There are many more peaceful ones in the uk. It's because of this blanket view on Islam and Muslims that the devise grow bigger year on year and for that reason there is no real understanding or intergration. This country is powerless againsed the extramists and the proper gander they dish out. We let the walk the streets and peach in the mosques. What the uk should be doing is ****ting the mosques that allow these exteamist views to be preached - we need a law that allows these people to be locked up - do not let them out, I for one would gladly pay more tax just to sleep safe knowing that these twisted people are locked away. We tryed to deport that Abdul hamzer guy, don't deport him, it's just sending the problem away the problem will still be there, lock the guy up and forget about him. I had a company that dealt with a lot of grant work and I have been inside many hundreds of Muslim house holds and found 99% to be welcoming - although many didn't have much they always made sure you left with gifts even if they couldn't speak English (again this needs addressing to aide in intergration).
Only once have I had a bad experience I was in Blackburn just after the race riots and got surrounded on an estate by a group of 20 or so young Muslim guys - they backed me up towards a house and iwaz getting a propper paggering. Next thing I know a door opened a hand opened and a old Muslim man of about 90 dragged me in his home and shut me in - went outside and went ballistic. He basically saved me that day. He came in and could not of been more ashamed of what the gang were doing and said tbese are not true Muslims.
The point I'm trying to make is the people that did this to lee are not true mulims but twisted deluded people that have been drawn in by the people the uk let shout this propper gander on the streets in full view. There like drug dealers that pray on the vulnerable. Lets stop blaming Islam and Muslims the uk needs to intergrate and deal with the idiots what ever the race and religion.
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I truly believe that Islam (Muslims) are being given a hard time in general. Let me explain my point (I'm not very good at putting my thorghts into written words). It seams that among send the peaceful true Muslims there are the extram hate preaching fanatics that have in my view a deluded twisted view of the teachings in the Koran. There are many more peaceful ones in the uk. It's because of this blanket view on Islam and Muslims that the devise grow bigger year on year and for that reason there is no real understanding or intergration. This country is powerless againsed the extramists and the proper gander they dish out. We let the walk the streets and peach in the mosques. What the uk should be doing is ****ting the mosques that allow these exteamist views to be preached - we need a law that allows these people to be locked up - do not let them out, I for one would gladly pay more tax just to sleep safe knowing that these twisted people are locked away. We tryed to deport that Abdul hamzer guy, don't deport him, it's just sending the problem away the problem will still be there, lock the guy up and forget about him. I had a company that dealt with a lot of grant work and I have been inside many hundreds of Muslim house holds and found 99% to be welcoming - although many didn't have much they always made sure you left with gifts even if they couldn't speak English (again this needs addressing to aide in intergration).
Only once have I had a bad experience I was in Blackburn just after the race riots and got surrounded on an estate by a group of 20 or so young Muslim guys - they backed me up towards a house and iwaz getting a propper paggering. Next thing I know a door opened a hand opened and a old Muslim man of about 90 dragged me in his home and shut me in - went outside and went ballistic. He basically saved me that day. He came in and could not of been more ashamed of what the gang were doing and said tbese are not true Muslims.
The point I'm trying to make is the people that did this to lee are not true mulims but twisted deluded people that have been drawn in by the people the uk let shout this propper gander on the streets in full view. There like drug dealers that pray on the vulnerable. Lets stop blaming Islam and Muslims the uk needs to intergrate and deal with the idiots what ever the race and religion.
Just my view
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Nope all Muslims support terrorism and do it because the religion makes them want to kill English people. The hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with any terrorists motivation either, its all because the Muslims hate us and want to kill us and rape our daughters. I say we have a Rwanda style purge and just kill Muslims; and all the other brown people just in case. I mean the Audacity to build Mosques and own corner shops on our English streets, not to mention those bloody Muslim doctors and Nurses in the NHS. **** takers all of them.
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Nope all Muslims support terrorism and do it because the religion makes them want to kill English people. The hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with any terrorists motivation either, its all because the Muslims hate us and want to kill us and rape our daughters. I say we have a Rwanda style purge and just kill Muslims; and all the other brown people just in case. I mean the Audacity to build Mosques and own corner shops on our English streets, not to mention those bloody Muslim doctors and Nurses in the NHS. **** takers all of them.
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Nope all Muslims support terrorism and do it because the religion makes them want to kill English people. The hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with any terrorists motivation either, its all because the Muslims hate us and want to kill us and rape our daughters. I say we have a Rwanda style purge and just kill Muslims; and all the other brown people just in case. I mean the Audacity to build Mosques and own corner shops on our English streets, not to mention those bloody Muslim doctors and Nurses in the NHS. **** takers all of them.
Tell me you're just being sarcastic?
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A truly ghastly crime and condolences to Lee Rigby's family and friends.
However the completely OTT press and news coverage has rather diminished the tragedy of hundreds of other soldiers who have been killed out in Afghanistan and other places. I think if I was a father who had had a son blown to bits by an IED then I would be saddened that my son's death hardly got a mention.
Personally I think the press coverage has been sickening especially when they record interviews with distraught family members who can hardly speak through their tears. Mind your own f,ucking business and let us deal with our grief privately.
And of course the press coverage is exactly what these evil b,astards want and will simply spawn more hatred.
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However the completely OTT press and news coverage has rather diminished the tragedy of hundreds of other soldiers who have been killed out in Afghanistan and other places. I think if I was a father who had had a son blown to bits by an IED then I would be saddened that my son's death hardly got a mention.
Personally I think the press coverage has been sickening especially when they record interviews with distraught family members who can hardly speak through their tears. Mind your own f,ucking business and let us deal with our grief privately.
And of course the press coverage is exactly what these evil b,astards want and will simply spawn more hatred.
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Nope all Muslims support terrorism and do it because the religion makes them want to kill English people. The hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with any terrorists motivation either, its all because the Muslims hate us and want to kill us and rape our daughters. I say we have a Rwanda style purge and just kill Muslims; and all the other brown people just in case. I mean the Audacity to build Mosques and own corner shops on our English streets, not to mention those bloody Muslim doctors and Nurses in the NHS. **** takers all of them.
Furthermore when I be shipped out please can you send me somewhere where summer exists and where the are no chavs. Plus I'd respectfully request cheap fuel too :-)