As long as you're sure.

 

You obviously didn't read between the lines. I suppose i can forgive you though judging by your sources of information

 

All Troll?

 

We dont have troops in pakistan!

The political violence from the Taliban in recent elections just proves that they know they dont have popular support and are using violence to scare people into let them gain power exactly what they would do if there was no Nato troops in Afganistan who are there at the request of the elected Government. If the Taliban actually had any significant support they would just stand in elections they dont

 

Sounds suspiciously like Moses...I wonder if the mods can marry up any of his ip addresses with Moses old usernames that were all banned.

 

Absolutely, there is no justification for these actions in ANY circumstance. But I am interested to hear the voice of Muslims.
I am a white British, born here in the UK from a jewish father and christian mother. However, I have many family ties to the Middle East. I am an atheist personally and on the most part have no time for religion. Too many arguments IMO.

It's easy for me to be outraged at Wednesdays actions, and make no mistake, I am. I was even more sickened as its sank even deeper to me after hearing the cries of this poor mans widow today in a press conference.
To be perfectly honest, I too shed a tear listening to what she had to say.

But how do our Muslim communities feel about wednesdays actions and having the finger pointed at them constantly?
How do they view our society and what are their opinions on how we move forward.

That's my interest.

 

James, please declare that you are a born again Christian with a grudge against Muslims. Although you claim it's against extremist you seem to be very much against independent thought.

 

You can say hello to him when he reaches stage three

 

You're hearing the voice (albeit metaphorical) of a muslim now. Admittedly I'm not a strict adherent and pick and choose which bit I follow. Across the greater muslim community (from what I know) there is universal condemnation. Everyone I have spoken has been outraged and sickened by what has happened. Many of my muslim friends and me included have made donations to the foundation set up in memory of Lee Rigby. We are all doing what we can to distance ourselves from the events of Wednesday.
In terms of moving forward, it's going to be hard but it is clear we need to be more vigilant over the extremist element on our fringes. My only fear is by ostracising and alienating these people they gravitate to more receptive and welcoming individuals, as has happened in the past. Individuals like Abu Hamza who radicalise and brain wash these people. I think it's going to be case of keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. Burying our heads in the sand won't work any longer. The law also needs empowering to remove such individuals from our country forthwith. That would be a start.

 

That's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. And a reply I wholeheartedly agree with. Unfortunately there are too many uneducated people that want to brandish ALL Muslims, indeed all non Christian religions, faiths, creeds and non white colours with the terrorist extremist brush.

I also am fed up of our spineless government and its easy for me to spout about how we should be chucking these extremists out of our country.
However I also respect the fact that being in government is no easy task.

I wouldn't have wanted Mr Cameron's job on Thursday morning for all the money in the world. Pleasing all the people all of the time is no easy task, but I think we should bring the UK troops home. Too much loss of life has gone on and enough is enough.

I'm honest enough to say I don't know enough about the situation in Afghanistan to know if the locals want our forces there to stabilise their country or if they want them to leave and let the Taliban take over?

It's all an impossible situation I wouldn't want to deal with. I think our attention should be closer to home and getting rid of these hate preachers once and for all. That doesn't inc locking them up for the tax payer to keep.

Don't like our country, our flag or our rules then leave, and let the rest of us get along no matter of our colour or faith.

 

it's not multiculturalism thats failing it's multireligeonism that has allready failed. and playing the racist card is a farce, unless of course the person throwing insults or abuse is insulting ones race and not ones religeon, i'e me insulting a french person by calling them a frog, thats racist, calling someone by thier religeon is not racist as its a religous insult/abuse, and not country/race orientated

 

Watching the family at a press conference just now on the news was heartbreaking. Difficult not to shed a tear when the dad read his goodbye letter to his son.

 

All very interesting and all that, but why are you quoting me? mrmadcap is who you need to aim that at

 

i was actually agreeing with you , multiculturalization isn't failing, it's multi faith, opinion.way of life.rules of society and multi religeon that's failed. why because you cannot have miulti sets of rules in one small country

 

I've not a nano-second for conspiracy theory if that's what you mean by "independent thought". Yes, I now consider myself spiritually and philosophically and culturally Christian (and a secularist and a Darwinist) after years of atheism and no I don't have a grudge against Muslims. I have an issue with Islamists who are invariably Muslims and the useful idiots who support their narrative and I would expect any informed Englishman to think and feel the same.

 

Yes you are correct it has failed and you won't get more proof than the medieval barbarity that happened on Wednesday

 

"Help For Heroes has been the unexpected focus of this spontaneous and instinctive desire to counter evil with good. Since Wednesday afternoon H4H has received almost £600,000 in money and pledges from the great British public and donations continue to come in.

Every penny that is donated by the public in response to Lee's death will help support his brothers and sisters in arms for years to come."

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-...nce-wednesday/

 

yes, totally heartwrenching

that tape should be played on loop into those two maniacs cells -- for eternity

it should be seared into their brain so that it becomes the last thing they think about

 

Yeah, think the average person, raised in the UK would find life unbearably hard in places like that, not sure how many radical Islamists drive Vauxhall Tigra's though ! cant remember the last time I saw one.

 

Back to basics...... the jump the dyke Muslims who has probably never left the UK since born here and bleeding the country dry that they hate so much (never bite the hand that feeds you). If you hate us (the UK) that much grow some ***** sneak out the country, as if you are being kept here against your will. Then you can get together in c*ntostan and declare war against the UK, and not go fully armed up guns, knives, cleavers and in a gay tigra and sucker punch a decent human from the back and think you deserve Marta status. Just when I thought this armpit of a country could not get any lower cowardly scum rear up and sicken me to the core. Rant over

 

No worries, just checking

 

How can I be correct when I haven't said that?

IMO multi-culturalism is one of the best things that has happened to the UK and I think it has been a great success for the most part.

What happened in Woolwich has nothing to do with multi-culturalism whatsoever.

 

true speach or not this is worth a read. for all the hand wringers.
A German's View on Islam - worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true *****, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true *****,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the ***** were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.

My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people..

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.

In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem, just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.

 

Spot on

 

when are you going to stop posting up other people's BS?

 

its true though.

 

+1

 

It is a load of bollox. Muslim communities in the UK fail to integrate! Tell me WTF is integrate? Should they get pissed every weekend and bash a randomn person? Have lots of ******* children and claim a council house with full benefits? Should they join the army (i know a Muslim fella who did try in the 70's and his application was thrown away and he was told we don't want your type in our army - how this is all changed now), maybe we should join the national trust seriously wtf do you want us to do to integrate? Not build mosques i suppose but that's got nothing to do with integration has it. If we can't build mosques then sikhs can't have temples. Hang on a sec Sikhs fought or in world wars. Oh yeah, very true. Hmmm so did Muslims and a lot of them too. In fact i wish those Muslims could see how the country appreciates their sacrifices now.

Here's another one, the police are scared to go into Muslim areas. Hahahahhahaha. I really wish this was the case. I'd save a hell of a lot of money with no insurance or tax.

Oh yeah, the peaceful majority are going to become murderers as soon as the fanatics own us. Hahahhahahhahahahha and breath actually one more for the sheer stupidity hahahahahahahahahahhahahaha.

 

No it isn't, it's just better written bigotry than usual. Notice the way it avoids mentioning that the majority didn't want intervention in Iraq, but Britain went in. And how it goes back in history just far enough to make sure it doesn't cover atrocities carried out by Christians in the name of their religion. One part is true: most people want peace. But then it fails to put the blame for the rest where it truly lies: politicians. No matter what a war claims to be about, at the heart of it are always a small group of men who want more power.

 

Religion can be so stupid at times. At other times it's fun.