New tyres on a fwd car, which first?
17 February 2013, 02:41 PM
#61
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chester
Posts: 593
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lmfao at "Teflon coated Ching-chongs"!!!
Hahaha!
I always thought new tyres go on the front because that's where you want the grip for steering and braking, and they get the wear from acceleration.
But now I've read some of this it makes sense to put the new tyres on the rear.
If you were cornering, especially in the wet, you'd want it to be the back end that stays put because for most people if that steps out they'll be in a mess. I front wheel skid is easier to control and less likely to spin the car out of control?
Plus you at least have some control over the front, not so much the back.
Is that the right line of (simple) thinking?
Hahaha!
I always thought new tyres go on the front because that's where you want the grip for steering and braking, and they get the wear from acceleration.
But now I've read some of this it makes sense to put the new tyres on the rear.
If you were cornering, especially in the wet, you'd want it to be the back end that stays put because for most people if that steps out they'll be in a mess. I front wheel skid is easier to control and less likely to spin the car out of control?
Plus you at least have some control over the front, not so much the back.
Is that the right line of (simple) thinking?
17 February 2013, 04:44 PM
#63
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: If you're not braking or accelerating you're wasting time.
Posts: 2,684
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think Michelin are covering themselves for most cases.
People who drive in exactly the same manner whatever the conditions & make no allowance for lack of grip.
We have all seen them in the recent snow & heavy rain.
Most people don't have any feel for what the car is doing underneath them or even know the basics of careful driving i.e driving too close , braking around corners & accelerating too hard etc. in slippery conditions.
People who drive in exactly the same manner whatever the conditions & make no allowance for lack of grip.
We have all seen them in the recent snow & heavy rain.
Most people don't have any feel for what the car is doing underneath them or even know the basics of careful driving i.e driving too close , braking around corners & accelerating too hard etc. in slippery conditions.
17 February 2013, 08:21 PM
#64
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ramsey, Cambs
Posts: 1,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Tyre manufacturers and professional drivers agree, best tyres on the back, period.
Here's one from VBH
Jason Plato did a similar one a few years back for 5th Gear and came to the same conclusion. Tiff Needel did another I can remember in the 90's. All can outdrive me in their sleep so I bow to their superior knowledge.
I replace all my tyres as a matching set of 4 by the way, by far the best option
Here's one from VBH
Jason Plato did a similar one a few years back for 5th Gear and came to the same conclusion. Tiff Needel did another I can remember in the 90's. All can outdrive me in their sleep so I bow to their superior knowledge.
I replace all my tyres as a matching set of 4 by the way, by far the best option
Last edited by his-n-her-scoobs; 17 February 2013 at 10:15 PM.
18 February 2013, 07:53 AM
#65
Change all 4 at the same time, and buy decent quality, for the sake of an extra £150 not worth the risk, especially as your mrs has no idea about car control, much like the vast majority of the population, and if she is anything like most of the women i know, probably drives too fast for her ability, i'm constantly telling my mrs to slow down, as if something happens she hasn't a clue what to do.
One example, we were in our forester with her driving in the snow and she was sliding towards a parked car across a junction at about 20mph+(going too fast on approach and hit the brakes) if i'd not been there she would have totalled both cars, i told her to get off the brakes and steer the car with a bit of gas and hey presto traction restored and we went round the corner and missed the car, she was amazed.
which is typical of 95% of drivers.
She still manages to wear the fronts out on the outside edges only, because she corners like a maniac in the rover 25.
One example, we were in our forester with her driving in the snow and she was sliding towards a parked car across a junction at about 20mph+(going too fast on approach and hit the brakes) if i'd not been there she would have totalled both cars, i told her to get off the brakes and steer the car with a bit of gas and hey presto traction restored and we went round the corner and missed the car, she was amazed.
which is typical of 95% of drivers.She still manages to wear the fronts out on the outside edges only, because she corners like a maniac in the rover 25.
19 February 2013, 10:59 AM
#66
I honestly cannot believe the morons and there's no other word to describe you that still think putting new tyres on the FRONT is right.
And from a car forum too, you should be ashamed!
FWD cars are "designed" to have less grip on the front than the back. Even if you replace all four tyres, after a few thousand miles, your fronts will have less tread\grip than the rear naturally. Tyre swapping is for the penny pinchers, not for the safety conscious.
Do it at your own risk!
And from a car forum too, you should be ashamed!
FWD cars are "designed" to have less grip on the front than the back. Even if you replace all four tyres, after a few thousand miles, your fronts will have less tread\grip than the rear naturally. Tyre swapping is for the penny pinchers, not for the safety conscious.
Do it at your own risk!
19 February 2013, 11:05 AM
#68
Goodyear: "When radial tyres are used with bias or bias belted tyres on the same car, the radials must always be placed on the rear axle. Never mix radial and bias-ply tyres on the same axle. When you select a pair of replacement tyres in the same size and construction as those on the car, we recommend you put them on the rear axle. A single new tyre should be paired on the rear axle with the tyre having the most tread depth of the other three."
"Bridgestone/Firestone policy is to mount the new tires on the rear axle, regardless of whether the vehicle is front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive."
"Bridgestone/Firestone policy is to mount the new tires on the rear axle, regardless of whether the vehicle is front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive."
19 February 2013, 11:12 AM
#70
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 14,629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Read the thread ffs. It has been stated already a million times that all tire manufacturers are going to recommend fitting new tires to the rear axle as those recommendations are applicable to the vast majority of the population.
Furthermore, myself and plenty of other posters have actively stated that we'd recommend new tires on the rear if asked for an opinion by a non-car enthusiast friend or family member. In view of OP's updated information relating to his wife I (and other posters) immediately changed my recommendation to fit the new tires to the rear.
However, if you can see beyond advice designed for the masses and if you have any sort of car control skills at all then you have the option to fit at the front. I personally prefer superior braking and steering and am happy to keep a more wayward rear in check. I therefore would fit to the front. However, if this was a car I planned to drive hard/throw around I'd just do all 4 ffs.
Furthermore, myself and plenty of other posters have actively stated that we'd recommend new tires on the rear if asked for an opinion by a non-car enthusiast friend or family member. In view of OP's updated information relating to his wife I (and other posters) immediately changed my recommendation to fit the new tires to the rear.
However, if you can see beyond advice designed for the masses and if you have any sort of car control skills at all then you have the option to fit at the front. I personally prefer superior braking and steering and am happy to keep a more wayward rear in check. I therefore would fit to the front. However, if this was a car I planned to drive hard/throw around I'd just do all 4 ffs.
Last edited by Saxo Boy; 19 February 2013 at 11:14 AM.
19 February 2013, 11:24 AM
#72
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 14,629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Also, FWIW, my new car (picked up a week ago) has the original 2.5 year old/24k miles tires on the rear and brand new tires on the front. I have kicked the sh*t out of it to see how well the electronic nannies work and never once has the back end even threatened to go (before the nannies do their stuff before you accuse them of sorting things out). This is because the tread on the rear tires is still good (like OP's). If they were worn <3mm I'd swap them, but they are not. The driving I am talking about here is way beyond what is safe/legal on a public road so for normal day to day maneuvers there is no problem at all.
If I crash my car it is 100% because I drove far, far too fast for the conditions and not because I have 8mm on the front and 5mm on the rear.
If I crash my car it is 100% because I drove far, far too fast for the conditions and not because I have 8mm on the front and 5mm on the rear.
19 February 2013, 11:44 AM
#74
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 14,629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well reasoned arguments there. So to be clear, your attempts to argue your view points are to:
1. Quote me out of context
2. Continuously link to content that is designed as a catch all for the average motorist
You sir are the most dangerous kind of person with knowledge; here is why:
You read/watch information and absorb it. Your reasoning stops at perceived authority. In other words, if you perceive that the source is an authoritative one you dig/research no further. By default, you make the following assumptions:
1. That the source actually is from a position of authority
2. That the information is applicable to the circumstances being considered
3. That no other mitigating factors exist
This lack of ability to question, interrogate and reason with information and your steadfast belief in a view point that you have not personally grappled with in your mind is why you should just be banned from the internet. You are dangerous, you are limited, you believe you are right and don't even challenge that yourself.
Good day sir
1. Quote me out of context
2. Continuously link to content that is designed as a catch all for the average motorist
You sir are the most dangerous kind of person with knowledge; here is why:
You read/watch information and absorb it. Your reasoning stops at perceived authority. In other words, if you perceive that the source is an authoritative one you dig/research no further. By default, you make the following assumptions:
1. That the source actually is from a position of authority
2. That the information is applicable to the circumstances being considered
3. That no other mitigating factors exist
This lack of ability to question, interrogate and reason with information and your steadfast belief in a view point that you have not personally grappled with in your mind is why you should just be banned from the internet. You are dangerous, you are limited, you believe you are right and don't even challenge that yourself.
Good day sir
19 February 2013, 12:34 PM
#75
You ever done one of those in-depth personallity tests HR sometimes loves to get you to complete and then thought, jesus, that's me in a nutshell?
Well, what you've just written about me is way way off the mark lol.
Don't give up the day job haha
Well, what you've just written about me is way way off the mark lol.
Don't give up the day job haha
19 February 2013, 12:40 PM
#76
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 14,629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have limited information to work with and you are invariably hiding behind an internet persona that does not accurately reflect you as a person.
One thing I do know is that repeating the same process over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. In light of that, we should probably agree that our view points are going to align.
One thing I do know is that repeating the same process over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. In light of that, we should probably agree that our view points are going to align.
19 February 2013, 12:47 PM
#78
No they have to say that because 99% (I'm assuming this figure, the same as you) of people who change two tyres, do so, because they are worn out.
Again, FWD cars wear front tyres quicker than rear, so putting two new tyres on the front will make the car unstable in wet weather because the rears could be as low as 3mm.
I guess the real debate should be, how low does the tread need to be on the rear tyres before swapping them back to front and putting new ones at the rear.
Again, FWD cars wear front tyres quicker than rear, so putting two new tyres on the front will make the car unstable in wet weather because the rears could be as low as 3mm.
I guess the real debate should be, how low does the tread need to be on the rear tyres before swapping them back to front and putting new ones at the rear.
19 February 2013, 01:08 PM
#79
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 14,629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I guess the real debate should be, how low does the tread need to be on the rear tyres before swapping them back to front and putting new ones at the rear.
My interpretation of OP's situation was that the tires he had on the back were good (tread) but bad (brand/quality). To be honest, if he is concerned enough about the quality of the tire to want to change them before they are even close to worn, then he should probably do all 4! (they must be lol-bad)
19 February 2013, 01:56 PM
#80
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (5)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ramsey, Cambs
Posts: 1,424
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Or put them on the front and wear them out saving the good uns on the rear. Then get a matching pair for a full set lol
Last edited by his-n-her-scoobs; 19 February 2013 at 01:58 PM.
19 February 2013, 07:48 PM
#86
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: If you're not braking or accelerating you're wasting time.
Posts: 2,684
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ok,that's enough messing about & the easy stuff sorted.
I have recently bought one of these.What tyres do I replace first?
https://images.nonexiste.net/popular...arrying-truck/
I have recently bought one of these.What tyres do I replace first?
https://images.nonexiste.net/popular...arrying-truck/
20 February 2013, 03:08 PM
#88
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 39,877
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I honestly cannot believe the morons and there's no other word to describe you that still think putting new tyres on the FRONT is right.
And from a car forum too, you should be ashamed!
FWD cars are "designed" to have less grip on the front than the back. Even if you replace all four tyres, after a few thousand miles, your fronts will have less tread\grip than the rear naturally. Tyre swapping is for the penny pinchers, not for the safety conscious.
Do it at your own risk!
And from a car forum too, you should be ashamed!
FWD cars are "designed" to have less grip on the front than the back. Even if you replace all four tyres, after a few thousand miles, your fronts will have less tread\grip than the rear naturally. Tyre swapping is for the penny pinchers, not for the safety conscious.
Do it at your own risk!
Please can you explain how they "design" FWD cars to have less grip on the front wheels and also exactly why they do that.
Would you prefer your car to lose all its front end grip so that you can no longer steer it and can only look forward to a trip into the hedge or worse when the front end lets go and you have lost all control of the front end.? Or might it not be better that if the front grips but when the rear slides that you can correct the problem by removing a bit of sterring lock from the front wheels which are still hanging on to the road?
I found years ago when I owned an old "Beetle" that I got very used to delicately getting round corners safely in the wet with the back end doing its best to get away but which was still controllable and which I found all very enjoyable too.
Les