Plasma or LED?
16 January 2013, 08:33 PM
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Including mounting and setting them all up. I'm not try to point score .
But your post come across like you thought I was an idiot saying plasma is dated technology (which I still stand by)
16 January 2013, 08:35 PM
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Where did I flat out deny it? II wouldnt, as I have two decent LED LCD panels too.
They come into their own in certain circumstances and wipe the floor with Plasma. Daylight or brightly lit rooms for a start. (Like most shops you buy them in funnilly enough)
But If you want to get home from work, sit down and enjoy a good movie with lots of darkness in it, lets say, "Batman, the dark knight" and you want to shut the curtains, wind up the 9.1 system and sit in total darkness, with people sat not only off centre, but also to the sides of you, name me one LCD that will even come close to the VT50 Panasonic?
Pretty much the opinion of every independant TV reviewer in the world too, but yes, just our opinions.
They come into their own in certain circumstances and wipe the floor with Plasma. Daylight or brightly lit rooms for a start. (Like most shops you buy them in funnilly enough)
But If you want to get home from work, sit down and enjoy a good movie with lots of darkness in it, lets say, "Batman, the dark knight" and you want to shut the curtains, wind up the 9.1 system and sit in total darkness, with people sat not only off centre, but also to the sides of you, name me one LCD that will even come close to the VT50 Panasonic?
Pretty much the opinion of every independant TV reviewer in the world too, but yes, just our opinions.
16 January 2013, 08:38 PM
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Maybe all of your customer have never had a decent TV in the first place to realise what they've missed? 
Ok lets spout out a few lamens terms for the dimwits 
: The "soap opera effect" and "motion judder".
What prevented me buying Flat panel TVs originally was early plasmas had motion blur whilst LCDs had motion judder, and those with processing looked like they were showing something being played at 1.2x speed. I didn't have this issue with our old CRT (which had motion interpolation), so found what was on offer unacceptable. The definition and contrast/brightness was superior, but the motion wasn't. So I then reaserched the causes of this in aim to get what I wanted.
It took me years, yes, years to find a replacement TV that was up to the job of providing silky realistic picture motion without flicker, judder or having movement that could be compared to an episode of the Benny Hill show. Combined with good blacks across the entire screen area without blooming or bleeding. Even then its not perfect as I have to endure floating blacks
Of course the majority of what is on the market is probably there because the average consumer doesn't know sh*t. They just buy whats bright, blingy and ultra-thin for a cheapest price.
I have the same problem with my PC monitors after "drowngrading" from a 1200x1600@120hz CRT to a 1680x1050@60hz LCD and wondering why text wouldn't scroll smoothly anymore, its annoying as hell. Can you get a 1600line @120hz LCD/LED monitor? Nope they don't exist....I'm still waiting, hopefully the emergence of 4K 3D TVs may eventually address this.
Most people (not everyone, but alot) on AV forums don't know sh*t either, thats why I rarely if ever go on there.
Ok lets spout out a few lamens terms for the dimwits : The "soap opera effect" and "motion judder".What prevented me buying Flat panel TVs originally was early plasmas had motion blur whilst LCDs had motion judder, and those with processing looked like they were showing something being played at 1.2x speed. I didn't have this issue with our old CRT (which had motion interpolation), so found what was on offer unacceptable. The definition and contrast/brightness was superior, but the motion wasn't. So I then reaserched the causes of this in aim to get what I wanted.
It took me years, yes, years to find a replacement TV that was up to the job of providing silky realistic picture motion without flicker, judder or having movement that could be compared to an episode of the Benny Hill show. Combined with good blacks across the entire screen area without blooming or bleeding. Even then its not perfect as I have to endure floating blacks
Of course the majority of what is on the market is probably there because the average consumer doesn't know sh*t. They just buy whats bright, blingy and ultra-thin for a cheapest price.
I have the same problem with my PC monitors after "drowngrading" from a 1200x1600@120hz CRT to a 1680x1050@60hz LCD and wondering why text wouldn't scroll smoothly anymore, its annoying as hell. Can you get a 1600line @120hz LCD/LED monitor? Nope they don't exist....I'm still waiting, hopefully the emergence of 4K 3D TVs may eventually address this.
Most people (not everyone, but alot) on AV forums don't know sh*t either, thats why I rarely if ever go on there.
16 January 2013, 08:40 PM
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I don't know why I'm debating this movies on tv's are pointless anyway, they can only be watched on a projector
Granted its football but thats the last shot I got
Granted its football but thats the last shot I got
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16 January 2013, 08:43 PM
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I wasnt. There are more people than just you reading this, and if even one of them ever wondered why LCD looks better than Plasma in a SHOP and now realises its because they are so damn bright, then its worth mentioning.
Only an AV specialist will cart the TV into a room with no windows for you to watch. I spnt bloody hours the last week at Audio T before I opted for my final choice of the VT 50, but prior to that had narrowed it down to 3 plasmas. I just like contrast ratio (Real, not the manufacturers spouted dynamic rubbish) to much to go for an LCD just yet. I expect in time that will change.
Only an AV specialist will cart the TV into a room with no windows for you to watch. I spnt bloody hours the last week at Audio T before I opted for my final choice of the VT 50, but prior to that had narrowed it down to 3 plasmas. I just like contrast ratio (Real, not the manufacturers spouted dynamic rubbish) to much to go for an LCD just yet. I expect in time that will change.
16 January 2013, 08:45 PM
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They say the same what? Lost me there? I have NEVER read a review that says the Blacks and viewing angle of an LCD TV are better than a high end Plasma. Please enlighten me with a link to one.
16 January 2013, 08:48 PM
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And its not really new technology is it? I am sure we had LCD calculators a VERY LONG time before we had Plasma.
Its actually just CHEAPER technology.
16 January 2013, 08:51 PM
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So it’s a pleasure to report the UE55ES8000 is never less than competent and, more often, quite outstanding when it comes to picture quality.
There’s certainly nothing to complain about where native high-definition 1080p images are concerned. A Blu-ray copy of Clint Eastwood’s strangely sentimental The Hereafter looks positively lustrous, with beautifully deep and detailed black tones coexisting happily with bright, clean and equally detailed whites – contrast is strong.
This is, in part, due to the Samsung’s dual-core configuration – there’s sufficient processing power on board to allow very specifically targeted micro-dimming of the screen’s backlighting even though backlighting LEDs are arrayed only along the vertical sides of the screen.
Skin tones and skin textures are equally impressive, being convincingly realistic and lifelike. There’s a degree of detail on display that lays every pockmark, every broken blood-vessel and every other blemish bare. This wide-ranging tonal and textural variance is a product of the extensive colour palette, which allows every scene to be coloured entirely persuasively.
The edges the Samsung draws are smooth, too, even when motion is at its most testing – the ES8000’s motion processing is exemplary. Or, to be strictly accurate, it’s exemplary once you’ve spent a little trial-and-error time in the ‘advanced’ section of the set-up menus.
There’s certainly nothing to complain about where native high-definition 1080p images are concerned. A Blu-ray copy of Clint Eastwood’s strangely sentimental The Hereafter looks positively lustrous, with beautifully deep and detailed black tones coexisting happily with bright, clean and equally detailed whites – contrast is strong.
This is, in part, due to the Samsung’s dual-core configuration – there’s sufficient processing power on board to allow very specifically targeted micro-dimming of the screen’s backlighting even though backlighting LEDs are arrayed only along the vertical sides of the screen.
Skin tones and skin textures are equally impressive, being convincingly realistic and lifelike. There’s a degree of detail on display that lays every pockmark, every broken blood-vessel and every other blemish bare. This wide-ranging tonal and textural variance is a product of the extensive colour palette, which allows every scene to be coloured entirely persuasively.
The edges the Samsung draws are smooth, too, even when motion is at its most testing – the ES8000’s motion processing is exemplary. Or, to be strictly accurate, it’s exemplary once you’ve spent a little trial-and-error time in the ‘advanced’ section of the set-up menus.
16 January 2013, 09:00 PM
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That review is talking about just that set though.
We can all find reviewersthat like our own set, unless we bought a real Pup. LOL
For example:
Or the testers reviews listed on Panasonics own page.
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_G...997/index.html
Lets see if we can find comparisons to better illustrate our discussion. maybe I was alone in not liking it as I thought its contrast ratio and viewing angles were poor in comparison.
We can all find reviewersthat like our own set, unless we bought a real Pup. LOL
For example:
Conclusion
There's no doubting the TX-P50VT50B is a stunning TV. It offers arguably the best picture quality of any set on the market today, has good audio quality, a sterling line-up of smart TV apps and an attractive design. The problem is that the differences with the TX-P50GT50B are relatively small, yet there's a huge £500 hike in price. This is actually one of the reasons why Panasonic doesn't offer the GT50 in screen sizes over 50 inches -- to avoid the two competing with each other at the very top of the market.
If you're a picture quality purist and have money to burn, by all means go for the VT50, as it's the best TV out there at the moment. But for the vast majority of people buying a 50-inch screen, the excellent GT50 is the better option.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/tvs/panaso...view-50008277/
There's no doubting the TX-P50VT50B is a stunning TV. It offers arguably the best picture quality of any set on the market today, has good audio quality, a sterling line-up of smart TV apps and an attractive design. The problem is that the differences with the TX-P50GT50B are relatively small, yet there's a huge £500 hike in price. This is actually one of the reasons why Panasonic doesn't offer the GT50 in screen sizes over 50 inches -- to avoid the two competing with each other at the very top of the market.
If you're a picture quality purist and have money to burn, by all means go for the VT50, as it's the best TV out there at the moment. But for the vast majority of people buying a 50-inch screen, the excellent GT50 is the better option.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/tvs/panaso...view-50008277/
"The Panasonic VT50 will leave you gasping in awe because for movie watching it has no equal."
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_G...997/index.html
Lets see if we can find comparisons to better illustrate our discussion. maybe I was alone in not liking it as I thought its contrast ratio and viewing angles were poor in comparison.
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16 January 2013, 09:10 PM
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Oh well, I can genuinely only find one, which is a surprise.
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-tele...sus-table.html
http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-tele...sus-table.html
16 January 2013, 09:49 PM
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I don't care what the reviewers say, you wouldn't catch me spending £2K on a edge lit LED TV, "Micro dimming" or otherwise. I'd consider LG's xxLM960V which is a array LED, but I've never liked their motion processing.
The best array-lit LED LCD I have ever seen for picture motion is the Philips 9000s series albeit let down in other areas. Not sure if the 2012/13 model (46PFL9707S/12) has remained true to its predacessors....as its so difficult to find one on display in the shops.
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16 January 2013, 10:39 PM
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I have a Pioneer Kuro 5090 plasma, Its going to be a good while before LED/Lcd gets close to the quality of the picture this screen produces. the best i have seen lately are some of the new Sharp LED Screens, I find the picture looks less fake than the Samsung equivalent.
Im also in Pro AV and am off to ISE In Amsterdam to check out the new tech about to arrive, I will report on findings as hoping to see some 4K and OLED. Plasma is not Dead and is still undergoing development with some exciting things not far away.
Im also in Pro AV and am off to ISE In Amsterdam to check out the new tech about to arrive, I will report on findings as hoping to see some 4K and OLED. Plasma is not Dead and is still undergoing development with some exciting things not far away.
20 January 2013, 07:19 PM
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Plasma TVs pound for pound offer the best performance in my opinion. If you can afford it Pioneer are the simply stupendous but Panasonic are next best and considering the price differences are arguably the best value brand out there. Their natural processing and depth of colours are unrivalled within the general consumer market.
20 January 2013, 09:26 PM
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100% would agree. I see What HiFi has been quoted a few times. Please disregard What HiFi reviews and people that quote or even hint at using What HiFi as a point of reference.
Plasma TVs pound for pound offer the best performance in my opinion. If you can afford it Pioneer are the simply stupendous but Panasonic are next best and considering the price differences are arguably the best value brand out there. Their natural processing and depth of colours are unrivalled within the general consumer market.
Plasma TVs pound for pound offer the best performance in my opinion. If you can afford it Pioneer are the simply stupendous but Panasonic are next best and considering the price differences are arguably the best value brand out there. Their natural processing and depth of colours are unrivalled within the general consumer market.
I can find plent of independent reviews if you wish, what Hifi was the first to come up on google.
21 January 2013, 12:54 PM
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I watched Prometheus 3D on it as my first film and I was blown away, awesome picture
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Is the P65VT50B still a good choice or is anything else new out or better value? Viewing distance for casual TV is 6.5m, for a film we'd pull up chairs to be 2.5m away, so 60-70" seems the best size for that compromise. Getting my old SVGA projector out last night with 100" projection a white wall was awesome, but it needed to be completely dark, I'd need a new projector to put on the ceiling (and I didn't put in wiring as I was always planning a bigger TV), then I'd need a pull down screen to cover the old TV and it would be a foot out from the wall etc.
There is also a new Finlux 65" out for half the price soon, no reviews yet.
There is also a new Finlux 65" out for half the price soon, no reviews yet.
20 April 2013, 01:45 PM
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Can always rely on finding a tv thread on SN,just got this to replace the Sony Bravia for the small bedroom/my little room where i can shut the door and have a blast on the xbox etc.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...45512109,d.ZWU
As for the living room,looking at replacing the LG for a big *** HD Panasonic plasma later in the year.
My mate has bought one of those 3D smart tv,really not convinced by all this 3D tv.
See what's out later in the year,i'm figuring on about £800.00 to £1000.00 mark ,might wait till around November time,see what's going...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...45512109,d.ZWU
As for the living room,looking at replacing the LG for a big *** HD Panasonic plasma later in the year.
My mate has bought one of those 3D smart tv,really not convinced by all this 3D tv.
See what's out later in the year,i'm figuring on about £800.00 to £1000.00 mark ,might wait till around November time,see what's going...
21 April 2013, 08:11 AM
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Interesting thread ....... last year I needed a new telly , my Sharp 32 LCD went kaput and I chose a Panasonic 42 Viera Smart plasma.....which isnt so smart ..... I can have BBC iPlayer but no 4OD or ITV player etc........My own fault , I should have researched it , but I do feel cheated, light for a plasma tv though.
22 April 2013, 07:56 AM
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Interesting thread ....... last year I needed a new telly , my Sharp 32 LCD went kaput and I chose a Panasonic 42 Viera Smart plasma.....which isnt so smart ..... I can have BBC iPlayer but no 4OD or ITV player etc........My own fault , I should have researched it , but I do feel cheated, light for a plasma tv though.