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Tories defeat Labour today so Ozzy can announce the defer in the increase in his late November mini- budget, thus not being seen to have done a u-turn or been beaten by Labour.
It really is that simple.
I hope you're correct with that summary, any increase in price could be so damaging to everyone not just the motorists.Originally Posted by zip106
Lets look at this another way.Tories defeat Labour today so Ozzy can announce the defer in the increase in his late November mini- budget, thus not being seen to have done a u-turn or been beaten by Labour.
It really is that simple.
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For the average UK car owner the 3p increase equates to about £30.00 a year which is absolutely F ALL.
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BUT for the haulage industry it has knock on effects, it means everything in the shops cost more as transport costs more, the buses/trains/etc etc.Originally Posted by Chip
For the average UK car owner the 3p increase equates to about £30.00 a year which is absolutely F ALL.
Surely there could be a rebate for these companies so Diesel can be taxed to the hilt, the dirty horrible stinking polluting vehicles.
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I think you will find it was the Labour government that introduced the fuel tax escalator in the first place and with the Fair Fuel campaign which has been successful in negating around 13p in rises since they started
It's amazing that there are so few members on http://www.fairfueluk.com/ so i would urge you all to sign up. The bigger the numbers the more clout it wil have
Basicaly Pete, you don't know what you are talking about
I won't be voting labour
It's amazing that there are so few members on http://www.fairfueluk.com/ so i would urge you all to sign up. The bigger the numbers the more clout it wil have
Basicaly Pete, you don't know what you are talking about

I won't be voting labour
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The money has to come from somewhere to plug the huge whole left by Labour, thank the Lord that its the Conservative party in charge now. Yes they might be higher tax bills coming our way but they dont really have much choice. Can you imagine where we would be if Labour were still in power. Good grief, its not worth thinking about. We are living in difficult times due to the irresponsible Labour era.
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Basicaly Pete, you don't know what you are talking about
The worrying thing is he is not the only one with his head in the clouds in this country.Originally Posted by Steve777
Basicaly Pete, you don't know what you are talking about

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I do hope that you don't mean me Originally Posted by SRSport
The worrying thing is he is not the only one with his head in the clouds in this country.

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Introduced by the Tories in 1993, but don't let fact get in the way of your bias eh? Originally Posted by Steve777
I think you will find it was the Labour government that introduced the fuel tax escalator in the first place

Can I take it you won't now be vioing Tory either then?


The party politics on this board is childish, they are all the same... greedy self serving pigs at the trough just with different colloured rosettes pinned to their fat chests!
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Did you just pluck this out of the sky and make this figure up?Originally Posted by Chip
For the average UK car owner the 3p increase equates to about £30.00 a year which is absolutely F ALL.
Average mileage in the UK is 12,000m per year.
Your 3p = £30 would equate to 1000 litres used which is 1000/4.545 = 220 gallons. The average car does 35mpg to the gallon. 35mpg x 220g = 7700m. Nowhere near £12k or £30

Remember this is taxation increase, not fuel cost increase, everytime the oil companies raise their prices, VAT element increases and then even more tax.
An extra £50pa for every motorist on the road has a massive knock on effect, it's not just the £50 extra in fuel costs, it's everything else that rises in line, delivery costs on all your supermarket goods increase so your weekly shopping increases by £5-10 etc, public transport costs rise, inflation rises, massive knock on effects.
They've already postponed 2 fuel duty rises in the last year, they normally have about 2-3 increases of this per year.
It's a double edged sword for the government, they've priced a lot of people off the road that the revenue produced is actually in decline, if only they would get it right and cut fuel duty substantially, the country would get moving again, a lot more fuel would get used and they would in effect bring in more revenue. In the last couple of years, due to soaring costs, fuel sales have dropped by about 1 billion litres.
Only 10yrs ago the price of a litre of fuel was 70p.
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Wrong!Originally Posted by f1_fan
Ker-ching, the penny drops! Nothing whatsoever! I am genuinely fascinated to know why anyone would think otherwise
Of course its not coincidence, fairfuel highlighted the hikes all over the media, forced debates in the house of commons.
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It's amazing that there are so few members on http://www.fairfueluk.com/ so i would urge you all to sign up. The bigger the numbers the more clout it wil have
Basicaly Pete, you don't know what you are talking about
I won't be voting labour
Originally Posted by Steve777
I think you will find it was the Labour government that introduced the fuel tax escalator in the first place and with the Fair Fuel campaign which has been successful in negating around 13p in rises since they startedIt's amazing that there are so few members on http://www.fairfueluk.com/ so i would urge you all to sign up. The bigger the numbers the more clout it wil have
Basicaly Pete, you don't know what you are talking about

I won't be voting labour
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I was getting paranoid for a mi ute there Originally Posted by SRSport
Err, no I wasn't meaning you at all. I was agreeing with what you said.

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Can I take it you won't now be vioing Tory either then?

The party politics on this board is childish, they are all the same... greedy self serving pigs at the trough just with different colloured rosettes pinned to their fat chests!
Yes I know. I was just trying to bait PeteOriginally Posted by f1_fan
Introduced by the Tories in 1993, but don't let fact get in the way of your bias eh? 
Can I take it you won't now be vioing Tory either then?


The party politics on this board is childish, they are all the same... greedy self serving pigs at the trough just with different colloured rosettes pinned to their fat chests!
What you are forgetting that after labour came to power in 1997 they actually continued to raise the rate to 6% above inflation where it has been ever since
Really as bad as each other if the truth be known
Be careful who you vote for Pete ! Use your vote wisely old chap

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You're missing the point though.Originally Posted by Chip
For the average UK car owner the 3p increase equates to about £30.00 a year which is absolutely F ALL.
The fuel increase affects the price of almost all things you purchase - including your food!
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Of course its not coincidence, fairfuel highlighted the hikes all over the media, forced debates in the house of commons.
Originally Posted by urban
Wrong!Of course its not coincidence, fairfuel highlighted the hikes all over the media, forced debates in the house of commons.





You are utterly deluded, but you carry on with your little crusade if it makes you feel better.

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Really as bad as each other if the truth be known
Not forgetting anything, just think they are all tarred with the same brush and can't undertsand anyone even bothering to debate party politics these days as there is no difference between any of them - they are all liars!Originally Posted by Steve777
What you are forgetting that after labour came to power in 1997 they actually continued to raise the rate to 6% above inflation where it has been ever sinceReally as bad as each other if the truth be known
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You are utterly deluded, but you carry on with your little crusade if it makes you feel better.
Whatever Originally Posted by f1_fan





You are utterly deluded, but you carry on with your little crusade if it makes you feel better.

Typical f1_fan response.
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If you carry out some research you will find that the TORIES introduced the Fuel Tax Escalator in 1993!!!!!Originally Posted by Steve777
I think you will find it was the Labour government that introduced the fuel tax escalator in the first place
So ...... I think it is YOU who is talking rubbish!!
VOTE LABOUR!!
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Average mileage in the UK is 12,000m per year.
Your 3p = £30 would equate to 1000 litres used which is 1000/4.545 = 220 gallons. The average car does 35mpg to the gallon. 35mpg x 220g = 7700m. Nowhere near £12k or £30
Remember this is taxation increase, not fuel cost increase, everytime the oil companies raise their prices, VAT element increases and then even more tax.
An extra £50pa for every motorist on the road has a massive knock on effect, it's not just the £50 extra in fuel costs, it's everything else that rises in line, delivery costs on all your supermarket goods increase so your weekly shopping increases by £5-10 etc, public transport costs rise, inflation rises, massive knock on effects.
They've already postponed 2 fuel duty rises in the last year, they normally have about 2-3 increases of this per year.
It's a double edged sword for the government, they've priced a lot of people off the road that the revenue produced is actually in decline, if only they would get it right and cut fuel duty substantially, the country would get moving again, a lot more fuel would get used and they would in effect bring in more revenue. In the last couple of years, due to soaring costs, fuel sales have dropped by about 1 billion litres.
Only 10yrs ago the price of a litre of fuel was 70p.
I was refering to private mileage. Originally Posted by LEO-RS
Did you just pluck this out of the sky and make this figure up?Average mileage in the UK is 12,000m per year.
Your 3p = £30 would equate to 1000 litres used which is 1000/4.545 = 220 gallons. The average car does 35mpg to the gallon. 35mpg x 220g = 7700m. Nowhere near £12k or £30

Remember this is taxation increase, not fuel cost increase, everytime the oil companies raise their prices, VAT element increases and then even more tax.
An extra £50pa for every motorist on the road has a massive knock on effect, it's not just the £50 extra in fuel costs, it's everything else that rises in line, delivery costs on all your supermarket goods increase so your weekly shopping increases by £5-10 etc, public transport costs rise, inflation rises, massive knock on effects.
They've already postponed 2 fuel duty rises in the last year, they normally have about 2-3 increases of this per year.
It's a double edged sword for the government, they've priced a lot of people off the road that the revenue produced is actually in decline, if only they would get it right and cut fuel duty substantially, the country would get moving again, a lot more fuel would get used and they would in effect bring in more revenue. In the last couple of years, due to soaring costs, fuel sales have dropped by about 1 billion litres.
Only 10yrs ago the price of a litre of fuel was 70p.
From the ONS:
In 2010, there was an average of 960 trips per person per year – the lowest level since the mid-1970s. There were 1,061 stages, 6,726 miles travelled, and an average trip length of 7.0 miles
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VOTE LABOUR!!
What has this country ever done to you?Originally Posted by pslewis
VOTE LABOUR!!
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What you are forgetting that after labour came to power in 1997 they actually continued to raise the rate to 6% above inflation where it has been ever since
Really as bad as each other if the truth be known
Be careful who you vote for Pete ! Use your vote wisely old chap
Originally Posted by Steve777
Yes I know. I was just trying to bait PeteWhat you are forgetting that after labour came to power in 1997 they actually continued to raise the rate to 6% above inflation where it has been ever since
Really as bad as each other if the truth be known
Be careful who you vote for Pete ! Use your vote wisely old chap
Waste of time trying to bait Pete, he is the master.

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So ...... I think it is YOU who is talking rubbish!!
VOTE LABOUR!!
Read my later post Pete, then decide if you want to vote labour. Originally Posted by pslewis
If you carry out some research you will find that the TORIES introduced the Fuel Tax Escalator in 1993!!!!!So ...... I think it is YOU who is talking rubbish!!
VOTE LABOUR!!

labour thought it was a very good idea to keep it going.
And have the latest government put it up. Well a penny i think and then scrapped further rises throughout the year and last year. There is a very strong chance (but I'm sure you don't read the broadsheets) that the 3p rise will be scrapped. Something i doubt labour would do.

There is a propsed investigation into the oil market and companies hedging to keep the price of oil falsley high.

Vote anything but Labour !

Steve
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Labour or Torries £1.45 ish a litre is a fecking rip off
They are equally as bad as each other....
They are equally as bad as each other....
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I've managed to resist it for 10 years and I'll doubt you'll find any other thread where i have engaged in his antics. 30K plus posts or not Originally Posted by Mouser
Waste of time trying to bait Pete, he is the master.

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So ...... I think it is YOU who is talking rubbish!!
VOTE LABOUR!!
We can't afford that again Pete,especially with ***** in charge of the exchequer!Originally Posted by pslewis
If you carry out some research you will find that the TORIES introduced the Fuel Tax Escalator in 1993!!!!!So ...... I think it is YOU who is talking rubbish!!
VOTE LABOUR!!
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Labour is the only way out ....... we all know it, the Tory experiment hasn't worked - now we need real men!
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And where do you propose we find them?Originally Posted by pslewis
Labour is the only way out ....... we all know it, the Tory experiment hasn't worked - now we need real men!
Well, currently, we have boys from Eton - boys who haven't had a proper job - boys who don't know what it's like to no have money - boys who have inherited all they have - boys who couldn't hold a candle to the working man!
At least with Blair, Brown and Darling we had men in post - and, as it happens, Brown saved the world from a 1930's collapse!
At least with Blair, Brown and Darling we had men in post - and, as it happens, Brown saved the world from a 1930's collapse!