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I think you might be confusing the Prime Minister with someone else? Seriously? A statesman? Any slight respect he might get abroad (or in this country for that matter) comes solely from the fact that for some reason he runs the Tory Party, and thus became this country's leader. Milliband might be a talentless ****, but Cameron is a clueless toff who's never done a proper job. 90% of MPs would struggle to make adequate shop sales people.
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I am not voting any more. It makes no difference. They are all the same people just wearing different colour ties.
Every single political speach I hear now just makes my blood boil. And the sad thing is, there are still ***** out there that believe what they hear!
I know not voting may sound like an incredible insult to those who fought for our freedom, but the country they fought for back then, is not the one we have to day.
Corruption is rife, social responsibility is non-existent and the country is bankrupt because of both.
Every man for himself!
Every single political speach I hear now just makes my blood boil. And the sad thing is, there are still ***** out there that believe what they hear!

I know not voting may sound like an incredible insult to those who fought for our freedom, but the country they fought for back then, is not the one we have to day.
Corruption is rife, social responsibility is non-existent and the country is bankrupt because of both.
Every man for himself!
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How do you get to chose exactly?
Mong???? LOL, haven't heard that one since the playground 
As for Cameron I think you are wrong. His commanding of the UN over Libya was nothing more than a desire to be seen as a player on the World stage like his hero Blair and to be fair Libya is hardly much better off for the UN's interference. As for the Yanks thinking he is great that is not much of a recommendation seeing as they are a country that votes in the likes of Bush and Reagan!!!
As for Cameron I think you are wrong. His commanding of the UN over Libya was nothing more than a desire to be seen as a player on the World stage like his hero Blair and to be fair Libya is hardly much better off for the UN's interference. As for the Yanks thinking he is great that is not much of a recommendation seeing as they are a country that votes in the likes of Bush and Reagan!!!
Cameron cannot, ever, live up to Blair as a statesman ..... Blair gets people paying £500+ for a ticket just to hear his Masters Voice for 20 minutes!
Cameron and Osbourne have their vast wealth from 'Hand-Me-Downs' ..... the working class hand down a School Uniform - the Tory Toffs hand down houses and vast Bank Accounts!
I'm not saying that being an old Etonian should bar you from Office ...... but, it should be a requirement that you have, at least for a period, actually worked for what you have!!
You need to walk a mile in the shoes of those you desire to lead ........ the Tories haven't a clue.
Cameron and Osbourne have their vast wealth from 'Hand-Me-Downs' ..... the working class hand down a School Uniform - the Tory Toffs hand down houses and vast Bank Accounts!
I'm not saying that being an old Etonian should bar you from Office ...... but, it should be a requirement that you have, at least for a period, actually worked for what you have!!
You need to walk a mile in the shoes of those you desire to lead ........ the Tories haven't a clue.
Cameron cannot, ever, live up to Blair as a statesman ..... Blair gets people paying £500+ for a ticket just to hear his Masters Voice for 20 minutes!
Cameron and Osbourne have their vast wealth from 'Hand-Me-Downs' ..... the working class hand down a School Uniform - the Tory Toffs hand down houses and vast Bank Accounts!
I'm not saying that being an old Etonian should bar you from Office ...... but, it should be a requirement that you have, at least for a period, actually worked for what you have!!
You need to walk a mile in the shoes of those you desire to lead ........ the Tories haven't a clue.
Cameron and Osbourne have their vast wealth from 'Hand-Me-Downs' ..... the working class hand down a School Uniform - the Tory Toffs hand down houses and vast Bank Accounts!
I'm not saying that being an old Etonian should bar you from Office ...... but, it should be a requirement that you have, at least for a period, actually worked for what you have!!
You need to walk a mile in the shoes of those you desire to lead ........ the Tories haven't a clue.
I'm not saying that being an old Etonian should bar you from Office ...... but, it should be a requirement that you have, at least for a period, actually worked for what you have!!
You need to walk a mile in the shoes of those you desire to lead ........ the Tories haven't a clue.
You need to walk a mile in the shoes of those you desire to lead ........ the Tories haven't a clue.
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I'm amazed that, given the state the country is in, there are actually peopel out there that thing the most important attribute a PM can have is how he is perceived by Americans.
Maybe the Tories thing the same way, hence the country has double dipped into recession.
Maybe the Tories thing the same way, hence the country has double dipped into recession.
Pete why are you so fervently Labour? After Miliband's speech, aren't you ever so slightly embarrassed that he didn't detail one single policy, but instead just trashed Cameron for an hour. Is that a party you're proud to support, come what may, thick or thin?
Do you seriously expect an opposition, 2 1/2 years from an election to start laying out policy??
Thought you were a man of the world, but that was a fairly naive comment
But this coallition have managed to do the impossible and put us deeper in to recession, and deeper in debt, and at the same time made cuts to public services and raised taxes. We are literally getting the worst of all worlds for no benefit whatsoever.
That's why I don't want the Tories in again.
Usually oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. Labour (just as the Tories before them) will look to keep their powder dry until very close to the election.
Hang on, before we get to the Labour bit, which bit of what I said was opinion?
You don't agree we are in recession? We are.
You don;t agree that Osbourne is borrowing more than he said he would have to? He is
You don't agree with the fact cuts are being made to public services? They are
You don't agree that taxes have risen? They have
None of that is opinion. It's fact.
You don't agree we are in recession? We are.
You don;t agree that Osbourne is borrowing more than he said he would have to? He is
You don't agree with the fact cuts are being made to public services? They are
You don't agree that taxes have risen? They have
None of that is opinion. It's fact.
Well the "coallition have managed to do the impossible and put us deeper in to recession" bit, the fulcrum of your opposition to the Tories, is obviously merely an opinion. If you're so blinkered to believe everything you have stated is a cast iron fact with no other side to the story, then we might as well be talking religion, because you're almost taking it to a religious level. Lots of people do that though, nature of the beast. Blind faith and all that.
Hang on, before we get to the Labour bit, which bit of what I said was opinion?
You don't agree we are in recession? We are.
You don;t agree that Osbourne is borrowing more than he said he would have to? He is
You don't agree with the fact cuts are being made to public services? They are
You don't agree that taxes have risen? They have
None of that is opinion. It's fact.
You don't agree we are in recession? We are.
You don;t agree that Osbourne is borrowing more than he said he would have to? He is
You don't agree with the fact cuts are being made to public services? They are
You don't agree that taxes have risen? They have
None of that is opinion. It's fact.
I simply do not believe that Ed ***** would have had any credibility with the City, and we'd be in an even bigger hole right now.
We have to reduce our deficit and we have to grow our economy. But we absolutely cannot afford to have our cost of borrowing increase, which is exactly what would happen if ***** was Chancellor.
Got to agree that the slagging the opposition thing gets right up my nose and they all do it. I watched Clegg on Andrew Marr a few months ago and all he did was answer questions by slagging off Labour - never once said what the coalition were going to do! Useless, the lot of them!
Clegg is a complete tw@t though. Doesn't have an ounce of credibility.
Martin has a point, because it was obvious around election time that the market was pooing itself at the thought of a Labour victory.
Martin has a point, because it was obvious around election time that the market was pooing itself at the thought of a Labour victory.
Got to agree that the slagging the opposition thing gets right up my nose and they all do it. I watched Clegg on Andrew Marr a few months ago and all he did was answer questions by slagging off Labour - never once said what the coalition were going to do! Useless, the lot of them!
Clegg is a tw@t, as is Cameron, and Miliband needs some kind of speech therapy.
Clegg/Cameron was never going to work in my book
Clegg/Cameron was never going to work in my book
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Well the "coallition have managed to do the impossible and put us deeper in to recession" bit, the fulcrum of your opposition to the Tories, is obviously merely an opinion. If you're so blinkered to believe everything you have stated is a cast iron fact with no other side to the story, then we might as well be talking religion, because you're almost taking it to a religious level. Lots of people do that though, nature of the beast. Blind faith and all that.
or the actual "facts" as PeteBrant states them
No the naive assumption that it's the Tory party, and noooooobody else in the world, who have been responsible for putting the country deeper into recession, if indeed we're deeper into recession at all.
If that's not Little England thinking, i don't know what is. Almost American in its introspection.
If that's not Little England thinking, i don't know what is. Almost American in its introspection.
If you're so blinkered to believe everything you have stated is a cast iron fact with no other side to the story, then we might as well be talking religion, because you're almost taking it to a religious level. Lots of people do that though, nature of the beast. Blind faith and all that.
We have to reduce our deficit and we have to grow our economy. But we absolutely cannot afford to have our cost of borrowing increase, which is exactly what would happen if ***** was Chancellor.
***** couldnt do any worse than this if he tried.






