Childcare costs!
03 August 2012, 12:55 PM
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it's a business not a employee with rights so comparing it their holiday pay is absurd.
We effectively give them £300 for nothing when we go on a 2 week holiday, how can you see that as being fair? I wouldn't mind if they did a reduced cost for these weeks say £50 a week.
It's not like the kids will all be going at once.
As for not making a profit ours must only be rolling it they've got 25 kids £600 full time £350 part time and pay the staff minimum wage.
We effectively give them £300 for nothing when we go on a 2 week holiday, how can you see that as being fair? I wouldn't mind if they did a reduced cost for these weeks say £50 a week.
It's not like the kids will all be going at once.
As for not making a profit ours must only be rolling it they've got 25 kids £600 full time £350 part time and pay the staff minimum wage.
What are the chances of them filling that space with another child for just two weeks?
Not a lot! Rent, insurance, utilities are all going up for business, not just the public.
Plus, they don't get much government funding. Forgive me if you have said this already, but can't you claim 15 hrs per week for a child above 3 but under 5 from the government. I thoght everyone was entitled to this?
I agree that child care costs are high, but I knew that when we decided to have our son.
He only goes once a week on a Friday but that still costs us £112 per month.
And as for chip, what a typical response from yourself. You know best as per usual.
My son spends Mon-Wed with his Mum, Thursdays with this Nan (my Mum) and Friday at nursery. He has developed faster than a girl of the same age that stays at home all day with her mum. (Friend of ours).
I think we have a nice balance which gives him a bit of variety.
I must admit, the thought if chucking our 14 month old boy into nursery 5 days a week is not something I would consider, even if we could afford it. But that is my opinion.
It is not wrong if parents chose to do this.
But I do get fed up of hearing new parents complain how expensive kids are.
It is nothing new and well publicised if you do your research!
03 August 2012, 12:57 PM
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The state will help out to a certain extent but the way it is worked out is floored!
If one family member earns over £21k a year you dont qualify but if you both get £20k a year then your fine! WTF!
(not exact figures but close!)
We knew exactly what the costs involved in having kids were before we started our Family all I'm saying is due to me and my wife trying to better ourselves get jobs and pay tax we get penalised/taxed by the system where underclasses are financially encouraged!
If one family member earns over £21k a year you dont qualify but if you both get £20k a year then your fine! WTF!
(not exact figures but close!)We knew exactly what the costs involved in having kids were before we started our Family all I'm saying is due to me and my wife trying to better ourselves get jobs and pay tax we get penalised/taxed by the system where underclasses are financially encouraged!
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03 August 2012, 01:04 PM
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Chris we know it's expected but it would be fair to put in place a policy for 2 weeks "nursery holiday" bearing in mind they get £450 for nothing over Xmas from us times that by a minimum of say 10 kids that's not a bad take for nothing.
I fully get reserve places but I'm not talking about short notice here and talking about giving plenty in advance .
We're now accustomed to paying this now and just get on with it but for them to plea poverty is a joke.
I fully get reserve places but I'm not talking about short notice here and talking about giving plenty in advance .
We're now accustomed to paying this now and just get on with it but for them to plea poverty is a joke.
03 August 2012, 01:27 PM
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Chris we know it's expected but it would be fair to put in place a policy for 2 weeks "nursery holiday" bearing in mind they get £450 for nothing over Xmas from us times that by a minimum of say 10 kids that's not a bad take for nothing.
I fully get reserve places but I'm not talking about short notice here and talking about giving plenty in advance .
We're now accustomed to paying this now and just get on with it but for them to plea poverty is a joke.
I fully get reserve places but I'm not talking about short notice here and talking about giving plenty in advance .
We're now accustomed to paying this now and just get on with it but for them to plea poverty is a joke.
I see what you are saying, but believe me, running a nursery is bloody expensive. A family member used to run hers before it became too expensive, so she shut up and got a job somewhere else. She DID NOT charge when you were on holiday, as long as you gave her notice!
Also, what difference would it make if you give them notice?
There are very few situations where a fortnight of child care would be of use to anyone.
Do they stick a notice up by the door advertising your slot? Staff still have to paid as do the bills.
03 August 2012, 02:24 PM
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Has anyone mentioned the excellent salary sacrifice scheme provided by the government for funding childcare. I have saved thousands in tax and so has my girlfriend. We dont get any other assistance other than the child benefit, we used to get tax credits but that stopped recently.
03 August 2012, 02:36 PM
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You should all count yourselves lucky you have children. We have spent just under £20k on IVF with no luck.
I'm not trying to send you on a guilt trip but I think people with children should be a bit more grateful for what they have sometimes.
I'm not trying to send you on a guilt trip but I think people with children should be a bit more grateful for what they have sometimes.
03 August 2012, 02:47 PM
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I am!!!!!!!
what I'm saying is that if your are a doley you get funded! if you work you get shafted!!
03 August 2012, 03:18 PM
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did I miss this bit?
03 August 2012, 03:28 PM
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That could seriously effect cash flow and the ability to care for the other children. Do they say only 1 child can be removed at one time? What if you have two kids that use the nursery? What if you have booked your holiday without checking first? Why should some parents get special treament over others? What if your child is sick? Should you still have to pay? You can see how many problems this would cause.
And to be honest, this all sounds like what a typical Apple fanboy would say. Don't care how it works, just as long as it works.
(Sorry, had to get that in there!
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03 August 2012, 03:59 PM
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But what if 3 kids are pulled at the same time?
That could seriously effect cash flow and the ability to care for the other children. Do they say only 1 child can be removed at one time? What if you have two kids that use the nursery? What if you have booked your holiday without checking first? Why should some parents get special treament over others? What if your child is sick? Should you still have to pay? You can see how many problems this would cause.
And to be honest, this all sounds like what a typical Apple fanboy would say. Don't care how it works, just as long as it works.
(Sorry, had to get that in there! )
That could seriously effect cash flow and the ability to care for the other children. Do they say only 1 child can be removed at one time? What if you have two kids that use the nursery? What if you have booked your holiday without checking first? Why should some parents get special treament over others? What if your child is sick? Should you still have to pay? You can see how many problems this would cause.
And to be honest, this all sounds like what a typical Apple fanboy would say. Don't care how it works, just as long as it works.
(Sorry, had to get that in there!
)It's really not that hard to implement it. Do you not have to give notice for intended holidays or have to be approved?
03 August 2012, 04:38 PM
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03 August 2012, 07:00 PM
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And on the subject of nursery and childcare the profession is very heavily regulated for obvious reasons, therefore the cost of attracting a fully qualified workforce is very high, hence the high cost to parents.
Most places with creche facilities such as some fitness centres will actually lose money when trying to attract and accomodate parents with children due to struggling to adhere to regulatory compliance.
03 August 2012, 07:08 PM
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The general consensus is that if you earn enough not to get government funding then you have more than enough to pay for it. Although saying that, your prices are a little steeper.
03 August 2012, 07:13 PM
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I was thinking the exact same thing.And as for his taxes paying for child care thats just hilarious. So by the parents going back to work they are paying no tax in the system at all are they ? Or would you much prefer it all to go on the jobless banging kids out for fun.
I don't have to justify why my kid goes to nursery to anyone especially to
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03 August 2012, 09:41 PM
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04 August 2012, 07:30 AM
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My little girl is perfectly happy , I take it you home schooled all your children after all that's precious time wasted with them sending them to school...
04 August 2012, 09:01 AM
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I agree that child care costs are high, but I knew that when we decided to have our son.
He only goes once a week on a Friday but that still costs us £112 per month.
And as for chip, what a typical response from yourself. You know best as per usual.
My son spends Mon-Wed with his Mum, Thursdays with this Nan (my Mum) and Friday at nursery. He has developed faster than a girl of the same age that stays at home all day with her mum. (Friend of ours).
I think we have a nice balance which gives him a bit of variety.
I did a job at a nursery in Cardiff and was appalled at the way the carers looked after the children, screaming and shouting at them. This nursery was closed after so many complaints were raised, a lot of these from local people who could see what was going on.
I must admit, the thought if chucking our 14 month old boy into nursery 5 days a week is not something I would consider.
But I do get fed up of hearing new parents complain how expensive kids are.
It is nothing new and well publicised if you do your research![/QUOTE]
So we agree on something then
04 August 2012, 09:56 AM
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I agree you have a good balance there which will hopefully benefit your son in later life as I firmly believe any child in a nursery will not get the desired attention or adult interaction that is needed at such a young age.
I did a job at a nursery in Cardiff and was appalled at the way the carers looked after the children, screaming and shouting at them. This nursery was closed after so many complaints were raised, a lot of these from local people who could see what was going on.
But I do get fed up of hearing new parents complain how expensive kids are.
It is nothing new and well publicised if you do your research!
I did a job at a nursery in Cardiff and was appalled at the way the carers looked after the children, screaming and shouting at them. This nursery was closed after so many complaints were raised, a lot of these from local people who could see what was going on.
But I do get fed up of hearing new parents complain how expensive kids are.
It is nothing new and well publicised if you do your research!
So we agree on something then
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The scheme i was refering to is often refered to as the childcare voucher scheme. Basically you tell your employer you want them to issue a portion (max 240 quid per month i think) in the form of a voucher that can only be spent on childcare services.
The bonus is that the voucher can be issued pre tax & ni deductions, so you get more value from your wages by paying less tax ni. Employer pays less ni too so they are happy often. Both parents can claim, its a pretty good deal i reckon. I am no tax expert but i think its worth about 850 quid a year per parent from memory. Get on it if you are not on it i say.
The bonus is that the voucher can be issued pre tax & ni deductions, so you get more value from your wages by paying less tax ni. Employer pays less ni too so they are happy often. Both parents can claim, its a pretty good deal i reckon. I am no tax expert but i think its worth about 850 quid a year per parent from memory. Get on it if you are not on it i say.
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If you go abroad for two weeks do you complain you've paid car tax; council tax etc for the two weeks you weren't using it? What's the difference?
Also, did you not realise this before you had kids? Not having a go, but I've got three kids, and they cost me a lot of my income. But I worked that out before I had them, and it was our decision to have them. I'm not now moaning that they aren't free to bring up.
You already get child tax credits I presume, and child allowance, funded by all the other tax payers. Your children get educated/health care/eye tests/dentistry etc for free (funded again by all the other tax payers). I honestly don't see what there is to moan about?
Also, did you not realise this before you had kids? Not having a go, but I've got three kids, and they cost me a lot of my income. But I worked that out before I had them, and it was our decision to have them. I'm not now moaning that they aren't free to bring up.
You already get child tax credits I presume, and child allowance, funded by all the other tax payers. Your children get educated/health care/eye tests/dentistry etc for free (funded again by all the other tax payers). I honestly don't see what there is to moan about?