Speed camera vans.....
if i remember, you can buy info from ebay for a pound.
A clear camera sign must be 60 or 100 metres before the camera, not just on the camera van. the van must be clearly seen at all times. Also the camera must have been calibrated for use for that day. There are loads of ways out of it, but as mentioned above, is it worth it?
A clear camera sign must be 60 or 100 metres before the camera, not just on the camera van. the van must be clearly seen at all times. Also the camera must have been calibrated for use for that day. There are loads of ways out of it, but as mentioned above, is it worth it?
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No Camera sticker on the van means they are trying to catch you.
It must be marked clearly.
It may be a VID camera, Tax and insurance.
A speed camera on the road must have a camera warning sign before it too.
It must be marked clearly.
It may be a VID camera, Tax and insurance.
A speed camera on the road must have a camera warning sign before it too.
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Thats a good one,
They must still have the cameras calibrated for that day. You can ask for a copy on the day your pic has been taken for your layer.
If its not for date, your clear.
More than likely youve been caught.
They must still have the cameras calibrated for that day. You can ask for a copy on the day your pic has been taken for your layer.
If its not for date, your clear.
More than likely youve been caught.
Last edited by tez7431; May 24, 2012 at 08:06 PM.
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Had my mugshot back....
They were parked 28.4 meters out of the 30 zone, I was roughly where the black car is in the first post when they zapped me......
They were parked 28.4 meters out of the 30 zone, I was roughly where the black car is in the first post when they zapped me......
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The minus sign before the speed on the photo says that you were travelling away from the camera at the time (but you probably knew that already 
). The distance of 96.7 metres means that you were clocked 68.3 meters into the 30 zone if the van was 28.4 metres before the 30 signs.
You can ignore pretty much everything that Tez7431 has said.
They do NOT have to have camera warning signs before either fixed or mobile cameras.
The van does NOT have to be in a clearly visible position.
You are NOT entitled to calibration certificates or photos unless you plead not guilty and ask for a court hearing. (Although many forces will provide these if they think you are trying to clarify exactly where the incident took place or to identify the driver).
The "daily calibration" that he refers to is just that at the start and end of a shift the operator must "clock" a stationary object at zero mph and note this in the shift records. You can bet that the day's records are going to show that this was done.
You can also ignore the advice that "They also pull out the highway code out and say crap like when you see street lighting u should assume u are nearing a residential area or a junction". If there are street lights less than 200 metres apart and there are no speed repeater signs to tell you anything else then it IS a 30mph limit. However a 30 limit doesn't require street lights to make it a 30. It just requires signage that conforms to the TRO (Traffic Regulation Order) that sets the limit.
While there may often be "countdown" signs warning of an upcoming change from NSL to 30 these aren't required.
As for the "minimum distance inside the limit they are able to sort (???)" - There is no "slowing down distance" allowed; the limit starts at the sign.
I think that you would be wasting time and money (and possibly setting yourself up for a bigger fine) if you try any of those defences. Your photo showing an obscured sign looks like a better way to go. It would also be worth contacting the local council for a copy of the TRO. It's not unknown for the speed limit signs to be in a different place from that specified in the TRO.
Also, at 35mph you should be offered a speed awareness course if you haven't done one in the last 3 years. The cost will be about £80-£100 but it avoids points on your licence.
PS - the comments about 30 + 10% + 2mph. The camera rounds the speed down to the previous whole number so you were clocked at 35 point something mph. However, as said by TX, it's just a guideline and prosecution for 30.1mph is theoretically possible.
). The distance of 96.7 metres means that you were clocked 68.3 meters into the 30 zone if the van was 28.4 metres before the 30 signs.You can ignore pretty much everything that Tez7431 has said.
They do NOT have to have camera warning signs before either fixed or mobile cameras.
The van does NOT have to be in a clearly visible position.
You are NOT entitled to calibration certificates or photos unless you plead not guilty and ask for a court hearing. (Although many forces will provide these if they think you are trying to clarify exactly where the incident took place or to identify the driver).
The "daily calibration" that he refers to is just that at the start and end of a shift the operator must "clock" a stationary object at zero mph and note this in the shift records. You can bet that the day's records are going to show that this was done.
You can also ignore the advice that "They also pull out the highway code out and say crap like when you see street lighting u should assume u are nearing a residential area or a junction". If there are street lights less than 200 metres apart and there are no speed repeater signs to tell you anything else then it IS a 30mph limit. However a 30 limit doesn't require street lights to make it a 30. It just requires signage that conforms to the TRO (Traffic Regulation Order) that sets the limit.
While there may often be "countdown" signs warning of an upcoming change from NSL to 30 these aren't required.
As for the "minimum distance inside the limit they are able to sort (???)" - There is no "slowing down distance" allowed; the limit starts at the sign.
I think that you would be wasting time and money (and possibly setting yourself up for a bigger fine) if you try any of those defences. Your photo showing an obscured sign looks like a better way to go. It would also be worth contacting the local council for a copy of the TRO. It's not unknown for the speed limit signs to be in a different place from that specified in the TRO.
Also, at 35mph you should be offered a speed awareness course if you haven't done one in the last 3 years. The cost will be about £80-£100 but it avoids points on your licence.
PS - the comments about 30 + 10% + 2mph. The camera rounds the speed down to the previous whole number so you were clocked at 35 point something mph. However, as said by TX, it's just a guideline and prosecution for 30.1mph is theoretically possible.
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The minus sign before the speed on the photo says that you were travelling away from the camera at the time (but you probably knew that already ). The distance of 96.7 metres means that you were clocked 68.3 meters into the 30 zone if the van was 28.4 metres before the 30 signs.
You can ignore pretty much everything that Tez7431 has said.
They do NOT have to have camera warning signs before either fixed or mobile cameras.
The van does NOT have to be in a clearly visible position.
You are NOT entitled to calibration certificates or photos unless you plead not guilty and ask for a court hearing. (Although many forces will provide these if they think you are trying to clarify exactly where the incident took place or to identify the driver).
The "daily calibration" that he refers to is just that at the start and end of a shift the operator must "clock" a stationary object at zero mph and note this in the shift records. You can bet that the day's records are going to show that this was done.
You can also ignore the advice that "They also pull out the highway code out and say crap like when you see street lighting u should assume u are nearing a residential area or a junction". If there are street lights less than 200 metres apart and there are no speed repeater signs to tell you anything else then it IS a 30mph limit. However a 30 limit doesn't require street lights to make it a 30. It just requires signage that conforms to the TRO (Traffic Regulation Order) that sets the limit.
While there may often be "countdown" signs warning of an upcoming change from NSL to 30 these aren't required.
As for the "minimum distance inside the limit they are able to sort (???)" - There is no "slowing down distance" allowed; the limit starts at the sign.
I think that you would be wasting time and money (and possibly setting yourself up for a bigger fine) if you try any of those defences. Your photo showing an obscured sign looks like a better way to go. It would also be worth contacting the local council for a copy of the TRO. It's not unknown for the speed limit signs to be in a different place from that specified in the TRO.
Also, at 35mph you should be offered a speed awareness course if you haven't done one in the last 3 years. The cost will be about £80-£100 but it avoids points on your licence.
PS - the comments about 30 + 10% + 2mph. The camera rounds the speed down to the previous whole number so you were clocked at 35 point something mph. However, as said by TX, it's just a guideline and prosecution for 30.1mph is theoretically possible.
). The distance of 96.7 metres means that you were clocked 68.3 meters into the 30 zone if the van was 28.4 metres before the 30 signs.You can ignore pretty much everything that Tez7431 has said.
They do NOT have to have camera warning signs before either fixed or mobile cameras.
The van does NOT have to be in a clearly visible position.
You are NOT entitled to calibration certificates or photos unless you plead not guilty and ask for a court hearing. (Although many forces will provide these if they think you are trying to clarify exactly where the incident took place or to identify the driver).
The "daily calibration" that he refers to is just that at the start and end of a shift the operator must "clock" a stationary object at zero mph and note this in the shift records. You can bet that the day's records are going to show that this was done.
You can also ignore the advice that "They also pull out the highway code out and say crap like when you see street lighting u should assume u are nearing a residential area or a junction". If there are street lights less than 200 metres apart and there are no speed repeater signs to tell you anything else then it IS a 30mph limit. However a 30 limit doesn't require street lights to make it a 30. It just requires signage that conforms to the TRO (Traffic Regulation Order) that sets the limit.
While there may often be "countdown" signs warning of an upcoming change from NSL to 30 these aren't required.
As for the "minimum distance inside the limit they are able to sort (???)" - There is no "slowing down distance" allowed; the limit starts at the sign.
I think that you would be wasting time and money (and possibly setting yourself up for a bigger fine) if you try any of those defences. Your photo showing an obscured sign looks like a better way to go. It would also be worth contacting the local council for a copy of the TRO. It's not unknown for the speed limit signs to be in a different place from that specified in the TRO.
Also, at 35mph you should be offered a speed awareness course if you haven't done one in the last 3 years. The cost will be about £80-£100 but it avoids points on your licence.
PS - the comments about 30 + 10% + 2mph. The camera rounds the speed down to the previous whole number so you were clocked at 35 point something mph. However, as said by TX, it's just a guideline and prosecution for 30.1mph is theoretically possible.
. On my drive into work that way the other day (early in the morning, no traffic about) at a steady 60 mph and as soon as the 1st 30 sign (one on the right) came into view I let off the throttle completely. By the time I got to the 30 signs I was still doing 50-2 mph
The next day I did the same, steady 60 then as soon as the sign came into view I braked, to get to 30 in time required quite the braking effort, almost an emergency stop!
I will contact my council for the TRO then (after I've taken plenty of photos of the signs
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You can also ignore the advice that "They also pull out the highway code out and say crap like when you see street lighting u should assume u are nearing a residential area or a junction". If there are street lights less than 200 metres apart and there are no speed repeater signs to tell you anything else then it IS a 30mph limit. However a 30 limit doesn't require street lights to make it a 30. It just requires signage that conforms to the TRO (Traffic Regulation Order) that sets the limit.
"If there are street lights less than 200 metres apart and there are no speed repeater signs to tell you anything else then it IS a 30mph limit"
-i was just saying this is the kind of stuff they pull out when some people play dumb and say they didnt see the sign .(not that i'm saying the OP is doing that , but i'm sure there is plenty that do)
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No offence taken fella.
If you look at the second pic down, where the sign is just visible there are no street lamps visible at all so that would be a non-argument.
Looks like I'll just have to take it on the chin and hope they offer me the speed awareness course. They say they're not trying to generate revenue my f*cking ****.......
If you look at the second pic down, where the sign is just visible there are no street lamps visible at all so that would be a non-argument.
Looks like I'll just have to take it on the chin and hope they offer me the speed awareness course. They say they're not trying to generate revenue my f*cking ****.......
Have a look at this link as I think that most forces now use the new guidelines.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ape-fines.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ape-fines.html
Yeah I completely agree, however the sign is round a corner so its obscured until you're on top of it. Thats why they park the van there.
Bear in mind its a 60mph road with no prior warning of the impending 30 limit!
Poor signposting imo. This is the first you can see of it if your as high as the google camera. The reality is, at normal car height, its slightly further round the corner before you see it!. The place sign and the corner obscure it before that point. I've highlighted the sign in the pic.....
Bear in mind its a 60mph road with no prior warning of the impending 30 limit!
Poor signposting imo. This is the first you can see of it if your as high as the google camera. The reality is, at normal car height, its slightly further round the corner before you see it!. The place sign and the corner obscure it before that point. I've highlighted the sign in the pic.....
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