Those high in the water industry have been fretting about shortages in the southern parts of England for years we are getting less water and using more and more the probelms are only just starting.

 

as said above allow expansion in population but dont have increase in resources then shortages occur

capitalism wouldn't allow this in a pure form as much of the population explosion is created by migration to cash in on the welfare state if this was operated as a national insurance policy e.g. pay in claim out then that would sort the problem whilst providing pensions and health care for the population at a sustainable level if you emigrate then pay a bond like Australia......... do they have hose pipe bans?

 

What do you mean a 'pure form'? What is that?

I agree with the cause of our immigration to come extent but the logic is still there that the economy 'must grow'. Capitalism never seems content to just 'be' it has to keep growing or die.

IMHO when Capitalism reaches 'hard limits' we would be living in an intolerable society of environmental and human wreckage. It would be a kind of dystopia.

 

You can fill a bucket from a tap to clean the car, but you can't fill a bucket from a hose pipe to clean the car !!!!!! Damn, I'm gonna have to walk that extra 10ft back to the tap now........

 

I don't dispute that, Tony. The country relies heavily upon imported resources. It doesn't mean it has to import people to soak up what it has got e.g. just enough water to supply to the original population.

Diametrically opposed policies and identically opposed paradoxical moves are the features of the politics. In some languages, the word "Politics" literally means "the tact to rule". The tact that doesn't mind sacrificing public interest and welfare on the name of the same, the tact that compromises humans on the name of humanity, the tact which is played to keep the net of the politics intact; no matter what it costs. In current times, "Of the people, by the people, for the people at the cost of the people" should be the underlying philosophy of contemporary politics.

Government's logical brainwaves seem to be very illogical, I agree. Even my cats were a bit confused when they came to know about the clampdown on inernational students intake who bring in substantial revenue to the universities. Where's the logic in letting "the ones who jump out of the ship containers" spread, and stop the ones who pay well, gain their degrees and get the **** outta here??? I reckon the Government is in a state of frenzy and its cutting its nose to spite its face. I may be wrong. Government may have some shrewd purpose to refuse easy revenue. Another paradox- Refuse the revenue to gain the revenue. Smart move indeed.

 

so who will defy the ban, anyone ? and pics to prove it !!

 

This the part that I find laughable.

Nabbed from FB

hosepipebanaid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPY3G...&feature=share

 

Fill a water but near your car with buckets of water, drop your pressure washer feed pipe in and sorted........ no hose connected to mains water.

 

No hose pipe our way, you southern shandy drinkers shouldn't be so wasteful

 

20000 miles i heard . Still short of a circumference !

The other touted figure was 1.2 billion to fix the leaks over 10 years ( or similar) versus a hosepipe ban now

 

What annoys me is I can pay the Estonians at the top of the road to wash my car with a hose pipe and pressure washer but I can't use my own hose or pressure washer to wash the car - shows who pays the most in water rates doesn't it

 

Or you could try this





We take it to race meets to clean the cars between Rounds where getting the jet wash out is not an option we can usally clean 5 full cars with one bottle!

£9.99 + Vat a bottle

 

Have a water butt ( i assume you meant butt and not but :P ) so will do exactly that

I assume that the pressure will be enough to feed the jet ?

 

no hose pipe bans here in Norn Iron so if any dirty girls want to come and share my bath... I 'll even hose you down afterwards

windyboy

 

Does that work on the grass and veggie patch too

 

Prime the feed hose first though.

Some pressure washers don't like sucking a load of air out the hose before it gets any water into the pump.

 

haha, 13k km of pipework wouldn't surprise me. prob more than that in reality

 

The water infrastructure in the south is under pressure and cannot cope, its nice though that so many people have ideas to let them continuously waste and stay within the terms of the ban. The alternative is people actually are sensible and try to not waste so much water. IMO it should be illegal to wash any car with mains fed drinking quality water unless you are on a meter. I have never watered the garden and never will complete waste of drinking quality water.

 

The infrastructure should be in better order given how much we pay towards it, but as with everything in this cuntry the big man has lined his pockets whilst the consumer has been screwed over - time to fight back through the use of initiative.

And actually, the ban encourages you to use buckets to water the garden and wash the car rather than a hose which is ill-informed as buckets are much more wasteful

 

Priming the pressure washer-check
Large water butt filled with buckets - check
Big stick to fend off thames water inspector - check

 

sorry but you have zero to no clue about the ins and outs of it chap

 

Yes. The Aussies do have bans. You don't f**k about when it's 120 and your on a desert road that's hundreds of miles long.

It makes me laugh when "tdw" is going on about immigration being at fault AGAIN (obviously educated as you can tell by his views on capitalism) and then the polish get a mention a bit further along. If colonialism and communism had not done as much damage would we be where we are now? Do we want a free and fair society? Do we practice democracy?

The water table in the SE as been in ****e strasse since the 76 drought and as never recovered. Tarmacing over the front garden of the house does not allow water to percolate down and replenish the stocks, and a secondary effect is flooding because the darins cannot handle it.

The majority of you chose to live, work and play where you are. If you don't like it then try another place. Try emigrating, you'll become an immigrant then.

 

Its not that simple though is it, infrastructure requires things like compulsory purchase orders and massive legal costs to secure property. Also what ever else you say the water is not there, if we have to rely on recycling of waste water we may as well build some desalination plants and then you will see the real cost of clean water on your bill. A particulary well timed CPO jsut before submitting a planning application potentially lost me around £5 million so you can bet if the choice is either less scandalous waste of a valuable resource or more infrastructure then I am voting for less waste.

 

lol never let an opinion get in the way of great posts

 

lol. Problem is alot of folks think that way and theres zero truth in it. If water companies were charging enough to do exactly what folks demand i bet bills would be £1000 a month +. the volumes of water involved are beyond alot of folks comprehension and too high to do anything realistic.

I remember all the flooding down south and the hassel that caused. Folks were up in arms, why havn't water companies stopped it form happenign etc etc, yet To prevent it your talking trillion of pounds of infrastructure, yes it can be done but the result doesn't justfy that cost for a 1 in 100 year happening.

Also the leakage figures mentioned are a drop in the ocean, litteraly, yes they should be improved but budgets only allow so much to be done im afraid.

 

I have no interest in any of this and certainly not in whether Swiss can wash his car or not,
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if we're talking about Mrs Swiss and the previous photographic evidence of her car washing then that's a different thing entirely

 

Okay put it this way. I will allow Mrs swiss to wash the car in her normal attire and provide photographic evidence on one condition.

You lot get a petition together to allow the Swiss Household exemption from the hosepipe ban

 

I'm not sure what you mean by road, and not all Australia is desert but yep water is a big issues in general there and I think they are streets ahead of us in terms of managing it.

I seem to remember bans on watering when I was in Perth. I can't remember exactly as I never living in a house with a lawn that needed watering. In general though they have reticulation systems which come on in the evening so as not to waste water by evaporation.

Yes the rapid 'run off' caused by tarmcing/concreting over everything is a problem, and the Government want to do more of it to solve our housing crisis which was created by a) allowing the property boom which b) un restricted immigration.