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Old Feb 27, 2012 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's interesting though that the West at its height in the imperial period was ostensibly civilised...all sorts of power deployed to regulated behavior, law, morality, science etc but went around the world asserting itself in perhaps the least restrained way, so you have a kind of emergent behavior on top of that which is totally ruthless although not necessary cruel...a bit like Capitalism.

We could be in agreement here, hence my comment earlier. In Great Britain we have cloaked the most barbaric of behaviours in the highest of 'civilised' cultures.

Britain helped, if not led, the industrialisation of the slave trade, for example. Under the banner of Christianity we burned Maoris and Aborigines from their lands, we raped and pillaged native Americans, so it goes on.

And yet in London we were at the pinnacle of a 'civilised society'.

I guess today, the parallel you could make is the concentration of financial power that is strongly evident in the West and spreading East like a contagion. (It was always in the East in reality, now it is more mobile and more out in the open).
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Originally Posted by Trout
We could be in agreement here, hence my comment earlier. In Great Britain we have cloaked the most barbaric of behaviours in the highest of 'civilised' cultures.

Britain helped, if not led, the industrialisation of the slave trade, for example. Under the banner of Christianity we burned Maoris and Aborigines from their lands, we raped and pillaged native Americans, so it goes on.

And yet in London we were at the pinnacle of a 'civilised society'.

I guess today, the parallel you could make is the concentration of financial power that is strongly evident in the West and spreading East like a contagion. (It was always in the East in reality, now it is more mobile and more out in the open).
I don't think Western Imperialism was defined by mass cruelty or brutality but it was ruthless in its own way in that it did not question its lust for new markets and materials etc and its right to acquire them.

Don't forget we shipped convicts to Oz and they were not all nice men , so a lot of the barbarism you are describing is an exception but for say the Roman empire mass slaughter was an MO.

Don't forget it was George III who drew up the 1763 proclamation line in North America to get peaceful relations with the natives the other side and stop all the fighting between settlers and natives. This along with other reasons was why the American settlers had a major beef with George III, as it stopped them getting new colonial settlements further west.
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Yes but much of the burning out was done by soldiers not the convicts.

Ruthless, certainly.

Slave trade, barbaric.
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Originally Posted by Trout
Yes but much of the burning out was done by soldiers not the convicts.

Ruthless, certainly.

Slave trade, barbaric.
Sure but it was the British who banned slavery.
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As per the thread title:

"Scoobynet is now full of muppets"
Old Feb 27, 2012 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
As per the thread title:

"Scoobynet is now full of muppets"

Chip posted on Scoobynet
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
We'd have to define what civilisation is then and how it comes about.

Decadence is normally a prerogative term for a type of civilisation one feels is corrupt, declining etc.

I guess it would be what Kierkegaard is on about when he talks about reesentiment is a society. A society become cautious and weak after a period of expansion and risk taking.

So the society in ascendancy would praise a man who went out on an icy lake to retrieve something, his risk taking and boldness would be deemed morally virtuous, but one with reesentiment would denounce him as reckless and foolish.
Pejorative?
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Pejorative?
Yep.
Old Feb 29, 2012 | 04:25 PM
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Pejorative?
How disappointing, I thought you would have told us all what it means as well!

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Old Feb 29, 2012 | 06:43 PM
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Stay on topic people! How the hell did we end up talking about slavery?

May be not full of muppets then, just wannabe theologians and philosophers.
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Stay on topic people! How the hell did we end up talking abou
The liberal chattering classes on here love to talk about how bad Britain used to be over a glass of champagne, the corollary of that is how wonderful they are for standing in opposition to things like slavery etc.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
The liberal chattering classes on here love to talk about how bad Britain used to be over a glass of champagne, the corollary of that is how wonderful they are for standing in opposition to things like slavery etc.
Just before getting in to their limos to take their five children skiing. Wąnkers.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Just before getting in to their limos to take their five children skiing. Wąnkers.
And just who from this forum were you trying to describe there? I'll Hodgyou know that could be rather offensive!
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
The liberal chattering classes on here love to talk about how bad Britain used to be over a glass of champagne, the corollary of that is how wonderful they are for standing in opposition to things like slavery etc.


Old Feb 29, 2012 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Trout


Just out of shot is TDW with his tub of Vaseline and a look of merriment on his face......
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Just before getting in to their limos to take their five children skiing. Wąnkers.




will be going to Austria again in March (sans twins)
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2




will be going to Austria again in March (sans twins)
Good for you - just don't forget to condemn every action ever taken which has paved the way for that lifestyle. In that way, you can take all the benefits and shoulder none of the responsibility. Lovely.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Good for you - just don't forget to condemn every action ever taken which has paved the way for that lifestyle. In that way, you can take all the benefits and shoulder none of the responsibility. Lovely.
I think you are confusing me with someone else
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I hate to think what the carbon footprint of that holiday is?
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I think you are confusing me with someone else
I think he is just confused full stop
Old Mar 1, 2012 | 08:40 AM
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It's not a limo, more like an SUV probably build in China in a factory built on a site where the ChiCom authorities were able to forcibly evict the residents and they ban trade unions and everyone works 100 hour weeks.
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The topic: yes.
Proven by the recent 'free item' thread which was innundated with users wanting something worthless that the OP couldn't sell, for free.
And what did they get?
A £2.50 paperweight with a pretty pink sticker on it, and the opportunity to bump someones psis poor ebay score up a lot of notches.

Why are there so many alleged 'scammer' style deals done on here?
Because it's so easy, thats why.
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I think you are confusing me with someone else
Not at all. You've consistently criticised recent and historical British and Western foreign policy, sneering at expansion and the securing of resources and aggressive liberalism; you've claimed Britain should desist from participating in the arms trade; you've attacked constitutional monarchy and, among other things, accused people like me of racism when I've warned of how Islamism poses a threat to the very lifestyle you enjoy. You embrace each and every privilege that that dirty work affords and seem content to labour under the delusion that it's your meritorious self alone that's furnished you rather than the policy makers at whom you wag your finger. Might be worth thinking about next time you're rebuilding your £400 coffee machine and tossing-off over Cambridge. Or you could just complete the look and invite Diane Abbott over for nibbles and drinkies.

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Yep, Scoobynet is full of muppets
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Not at all. You've consistently criticised recent and historical British and Western foreign policy, sneering at expansion and the securing of resources and aggressive liberalism; you've claimed Britain should desist from participating in the arms trade; you've attacked constitutional monarchy and, among other things, accused people like me of racism when I've warned of how Islamism poses a threat to the very lifestyle you enjoy. You embrace each and every privilege that that dirty work affords and seem content to labour under the delusion that it's your meritorious self alone that's furnished you rather than the policy makers at whom you wag your finger. Might be worth thinking about next time you're rebuilding your £400 coffee machine and tossing-off over Cambridge. Or you could just complete the look and invite Diane Abbott over for nibbles and drinkies.
I knew religion would come into it

meanwhile you are continually trying to work out why your life is so **** and unfulfilled

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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I knew religion would come into it

meanwhile you are continually trying to work out why your life is so **** and unfulfilled
Well I'm quite happy to concede that my worklife is shķt and unfulfilling, hence a complete change of direction. For what it's worth I've no issue with your lifestyle, your coffee machine and Cambridge are both very nice and I've no doubt the skiing was absolutely super, Darling, what I do have an issue with is the hypocrisy of champagne socialists and limousine liberals. The other day you were lauding the status quo, yet over the years on here you've distanced yourself from or have been opposed to all of the dirty work that has led to it. You may claim merit as the sole driver of your 'success', but I say that without military and cultural imperialism and arms trading and so forth you wouldn't have been afforded the privilege of opportunity. If you had a modicum of sincerity you'd at the very least ashamedly veil your decadence. And don't call me a fłcking racist.
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No point in arguing Taylor. These people soak up the dominant mortality like a sponge then credit themselves with its virtues. It's always been like that I suppose.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The other day you were lauding the status quo, .
show me
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
show me
Whatever you want:

https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=66

Now then, Hodgy, I set you a similar challenge not so long ago on this thread:

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...dw-and-jt.html

To state that I am a "racist cūnt" implies, in common language, that my quarrel with sombody is owing to their genetically inherited physical characteristics - most usually the colour of their skin, shape of their eyes or size of their nose. My challenge to you is to quote a post of mine, in context, that demonstrates racism.
You never did rise to it, nor did you apologise.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
the fact that the irony of that post. especially in the context of the rest of the thread, passed you by, - just demonstrates how thick you are



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