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Old 18 October 2011, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
I'll give you 10 to 1 odds it won't be 5.9%. That's just what you want it to be!

5.1% barring any totally leftfield impacts.
I'll take your odds. Hows a fiver sound?
Old 18 October 2011, 02:53 PM
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Prefer a tenner but sure, any freebie welcome!
Old 18 October 2011, 02:57 PM
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Tenner it is then, that RPI will be 5.9% or above in November.

13th December is the date I think, is it the second Tuesday of the following month it's released?

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Old 18 October 2011, 03:06 PM
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Oh, now it's 5.9% "or above" You sound like one of my brokers

But yeah, that's done. Third Tuesday so 15th Nov in the diary
Old 18 October 2011, 03:09 PM
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I've had a pay freeze for the last 2-3 years, I just wonder what's going to happen when the pay freeze "ends" for millions of public sector workers...........10% pay rise ? dream on !

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Old 18 October 2011, 03:10 PM
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Seems a bit risky, TelBoy! It's only 0.3% away, and it rose 0.4% this time.
Old 18 October 2011, 03:17 PM
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I like risk
Old 18 October 2011, 03:21 PM
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For next months RPI, surely we will have to wait until December for the figure?

But I'll go with the 15th Nov figure though.

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Old 18 October 2011, 03:23 PM
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Hold on, you said RPI would be 5.9% (or above!) "in November".


If you're predicting November's RPI, that's a different bet. Now you really DO sound like a broker
Old 18 October 2011, 03:25 PM
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Novembers released RPI figure it is.
Old 18 October 2011, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
I think really, the utilities should be government controlled, most of the infrastructure they are makign their money out of was put in using public money originally and it irks me that the wealthy get share dividends and make profit on people just trying to keep warm, appreciate thats a bit too much like socialism but 20 percent rises to make profit on people not getting hypothermia seems like something that should perhaps be removed from profits or at least Cameron should have a little bit more control over them than a summit that tells people to shop about ffs.
Couldn't agree more, been saying it since the day Thatcher sold them off to buy votes!
Old 18 October 2011, 04:01 PM
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So, is this why my Pension is worth less now than it was last year. Got my statement in yesterday and was horrified
Old 18 October 2011, 04:05 PM
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Not really, Lee. That'll be the 8% year-to-date fall in FTSE, which is probably where you have a lot of your money invested. That along with 5.2% inflation will compound the loss. In this environment, i'm surprised you were horrified - it's not a one-way street, unfortunately...
Old 18 October 2011, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Not really, Lee. That'll be the 8% year-to-date fall in FTSE, which is probably where you have a lot of your money invested. That along with 5.2% inflation will compound the loss. In this environment, i'm surprised you were horrified - it's not a one-way street, unfortunately...
To be totally honest Tel, Pensions and how they work are way over my head. I just hand over the cash to the bank, every month (HSBC) and leave it to them. Funnily enough, they phoned today to see if everything was going well and if I needed anything. I had to bite my tongue as my Isas aren't doing too good either
Old 18 October 2011, 04:12 PM
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Everyone's in the same boat, although i realise that's cold comfort...
Old 18 October 2011, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee247
So, is this why my Pension is worth less now than it was last year. Got my statement in yesterday and was horrified
Don't worry my Lovely, you must have at least 25 years before you start drawing your pension - plenty of time to get it all back.

Old 18 October 2011, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by zip106
Don't worry my Lovely, you must have at least 25 years before you start drawing your pension - plenty of time to get it all back.

Yes, and who know, you might not live that long and avoid the problem altogether

Mine will go to keep my missus in Honda Jazz's and lunches out with the other crusty old grannies when im gone !
Old 18 October 2011, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Everyone's in the same boat, although i realise that's cold comfort...
I know. I'll stick to whinging about heating oil costs, while I put on another jumper
Old 18 October 2011, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by zip106
Don't worry my Lovely, you must have at least 25 years before you start drawing your pension - plenty of time to get it all back.

I wish

Originally Posted by J4CKO
Yes, and who know, you might not live that long and avoid the problem altogether

Mine will go to keep my missus in Honda Jazz's and lunches out with the other crusty old grannies when im gone !
Job's comforter

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Old 18 October 2011, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee247
I know. I'll stick to whinging about heating oil costs, while I put on another jumper
Know what you mean about the heating oil.
Won't be long for an above inflation price rise!

We could keep each other warm under a Tog 24 duvet....

Old 18 October 2011, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee247
So, is this why my Pension is worth less now than it was last year. Got my statement in yesterday and was horrified
my employer is nearly doubling my pension contribution from April next year. will I get a 1.3% rise in pay to cover it? will I ****
Old 18 October 2011, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by zip106
Know what you mean about the heating oil.
Won't be long for an above inflation price rise!

We could keep each other warm under a Tog 24 duvet....



Ooooh, now there's an offer. I could save a fortune on oil costs.
Old 18 October 2011, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by zip106
Know what you mean about the heating oil.
Won't be long for an above inflation price rise!

We could keep each other warm under a Tog 24 duvet....

£528 for 900L in norn iron what are mainland prices like. typical cold spell and the prices go up. was £514 last week ffs.
Old 18 October 2011, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bigsinky
£528 for 900L in norn iron what are mainland prices like. typical cold spell and the prices go up. was £514 last week ffs.

About the same here, BS. But don't forget to add the 5% VAT
Old 18 October 2011, 04:54 PM
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Some of the oil companies round me were charging 97 pence a litre in the middle of the big freeze last winter......with 2 week delivery !!

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Old 18 October 2011, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GlesgaKiss
I like to hold stocks paying a minimum dividend of 5%. That's your inflation covered already, but stocks should be inflation proof to some extent anyway. So in theory, in the long run, the 5% dividend should be real growth if you reinvest it. All things being equal.
How do you feel about investing in OEICs/Unit Trusts and ETFs? I only ask to gauge opinion from someone who dabbles on the stock markets and because these are what I know and would feel uncomfortable holding shares in a single company?



Originally Posted by bigsinky
my employer is nearly doubling my pension contribution from April next year. will I get a 1.3% rise in pay to cover it? will I ****
On the other hand, that increase may well save you from being abused (not in the way your hoping!! in a government run hovel of an OAP home when your 80.

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Old 18 October 2011, 08:06 PM
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The lads at work are all expecting about 2-3% pay increase in january, my contract states that i will get whatever they get + 5.5% extra for the next 5 years until i reach the pay rate that they are all on.

So i will be slightly better off next year
Old 18 October 2011, 08:11 PM
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Not sure why people keep saying money in the bank now is worthless. To some extent it always has been, there has always been inflation so money in the bank almost always loses purchasing power if you look at it like that.

However if just commodities are rising in nominal value by x% that does not mean the money you have in the bank is losing purchasing power by x%. If you have £100k in the bank you were hardly going to spend that all on gas and bread. If the other major assets ie equities/properties aren't really rising/are falling/are very volatile then your cash could end up actually buying more of these.

So unless you feel properties, equities etc will return more than inflation once
buying costs and potential downsides have been take into account then cash in the bank is ok.

Pslewis has proven himself once again to be a prize knb jockey. He says money in the banks will be lost when they all fold so put your money into property. Does it occur to that 8ck sucker that if all the high street banks fold and all UK savers lose their money there will be no property market left?

Psl = tw8t

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Old 18 October 2011, 09:14 PM
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I try to get that across to my wife but a grand is always a grand, 500 quid is always 500 quid, perhaps statements should give a value in shoes for women ?
Old 18 October 2011, 10:15 PM
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500 today is still 500 next year. If you want something now and its 500 but next year its 505 because of inflation you could always offer 500 which is likely to be accepted. Keeping the money in the bank isnt too big a deal. If in 5 years time the thing you want is say 600. Your 500 might not cut it.

The point is, inflation drag will begin to affect deposit savings over time. Not so much in the short term but worse over medium to long term. Medium to long term savings might be better in investment savings.


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