Obesity in Children
06 September 2011, 08:00 AM
#31
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Disco, Disco!
Posts: 21,825
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
children are naturally active, theyre not born lazy or fat, barring certain medical conditions.
they just need encourageent or exposere to regular activities, excersise in ay shape or form tbh
its soley parent responsibility - altho its easier for some parts of the country than others to acheive this.
coupled with both parent s working ina family, which in past was not always the norm, its a change from how some people were brought up.
no easy answer, or single solution imo, but each person that has children should take on the responsibility of maintaining there health to atleast a certain degree
they just need encourageent or exposere to regular activities, excersise in ay shape or form tbh
its soley parent responsibility - altho its easier for some parts of the country than others to acheive this.
coupled with both parent s working ina family, which in past was not always the norm, its a change from how some people were brought up.
no easy answer, or single solution imo, but each person that has children should take on the responsibility of maintaining there health to atleast a certain degree
06 September 2011, 09:07 AM
#33
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 1998
Posts: 11,905
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I diagree with that, I think that fat is the new 'norm' so I doubt they get picked on. If anything I bet there are chants of "skinny"...
06 September 2011, 09:30 AM
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Underactive thyroid gland for one. An ex-lodger had this diagnosed, explaining why she was overweight (not drastically) when she hardly ate and exercised hard.
But, as you imply, these "medical" conditions are rare and over 99% of people are fat because of what they eat.
Dave
06 September 2011, 11:41 AM
#40
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 39,877
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I believe that parents have a complete responsibility towards their children and part of that is their personal health. I think that in most cases a child who is obese has been eating too much of the wrong kind of food and that devolves on the parents.
I remember that some years ago in Germany, a fat baby was considered to be essential to demonstrate how well it was being brought up! The mothers used to deliberately mix flour in with the child's milk to fatten it up! Seems unbelievable really. I wonder if that has gone by the board now.
Les
I remember that some years ago in Germany, a fat baby was considered to be essential to demonstrate how well it was being brought up! The mothers used to deliberately mix flour in with the child's milk to fatten it up! Seems unbelievable really. I wonder if that has gone by the board now.
Les
06 September 2011, 11:43 AM
#41
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 39,877
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Les
06 September 2011, 04:29 PM
#43
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (13)
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: here, there, everywhere
Posts: 3,111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
dont be so niave to beleive every single case of obesity is soley due to excess calorie intake
some people on this board are so stupid and bloody minded its unreal
2 people of the same , weight, age, sex, eating the same total calories at the same macro-nutrient %'s can have 2 very different outcomes.
its called gentics! and why the speices is alive today.
im not using that as an excuse but to say every single fat person in the country is just purley greed - is so totally innacurate
some people on this board are so stupid and bloody minded its unreal
2 people of the same , weight, age, sex, eating the same total calories at the same macro-nutrient %'s can have 2 very different outcomes.
its called gentics! and why the speices is alive today.
im not using that as an excuse but to say every single fat person in the country is just purley greed - is so totally innacurate
06 September 2011, 04:39 PM
#45
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
dont be so niave to beleive every single case of obesity is soley due to excess calorie intake
some people on this board are so stupid and bloody minded its unreal
2 people of the same , weight, age, sex, eating the same total calories at the same macro-nutrient %'s can have 2 very different outcomes.
its called gentics! and why the speices is alive today.
im not using that as an excuse but to say every single fat person in the country is just purley greed - is so totally innacurate
some people on this board are so stupid and bloody minded its unreal
2 people of the same , weight, age, sex, eating the same total calories at the same macro-nutrient %'s can have 2 very different outcomes.
its called gentics! and why the speices is alive today.
im not using that as an excuse but to say every single fat person in the country is just purley greed - is so totally innacurate
Fat is the body's mechanism for storing excess calories.
It is made from sugars which can come from multiple sources.
The difference in the 'fat' gene - i.e. the difference between being endomorphic or ectomorphic is between 3-9%. So for the average adult, the difference is less than one Mars bar per day.
Yes there are factors that can increase the propensity to be fat. But the ONLY controlling factor is calorific input. If input is higher than calorific usage then the result is fat.
Call me bloody minded - but it is the laws of the universe - fundamentally the laws of thermodynamics.
There are some circumstances where the body can be more swollen, but not fatter, such as worm infection or water retention caused by nutritional imbalance or medical intervention. But this is not fatter.
06 September 2011, 04:42 PM
#46
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wildberg, Germany/Reading, UK
Posts: 9,706
Likes: 0
Received 73 Likes
on
54 Posts
No that is just the slack attitude of the lazy ******* in England who don't see why spelling on a public forum as a prerequisite for membership. They are obviously happy to look like a completely uneducated tool to the rest of the world.
I am by no means perfect but some on here are beyond a joke in their abilities with basic English.
I am by no means perfect but some on here are beyond a joke in their abilities with basic English.
06 September 2011, 04:45 PM
#47
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (13)
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: here, there, everywhere
Posts: 3,111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ill reply fully to that tonight at work, as i dont have time just now.
your examples are non relevant, for countries where food sources are low.
i agree it comes down to calorific intake, but this differes for everysingle person, and has so many more influnces, than, calories in vrs out - hormone levels, sex, endo , ecto, enviroment, culture, activity.
there are cases where people store fat much more easily than others - and even on restriced calorific intakes
to say there are absolutley zero cases world wide, is bloody minded mate. imo of course
your examples are non relevant, for countries where food sources are low.
i agree it comes down to calorific intake, but this differes for everysingle person, and has so many more influnces, than, calories in vrs out - hormone levels, sex, endo , ecto, enviroment, culture, activity.
there are cases where people store fat much more easily than others - and even on restriced calorific intakes
to say there are absolutley zero cases world wide, is bloody minded mate. imo of course
06 September 2011, 04:47 PM
#49
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ill reply fully to that tonight at work, as i dont have time just now.
your examples are non relevant, for countries where food sources are low.
i agree it comes down to calorific intake, but this differes for everysingle person, and has so many more influnces, than, calories in vrs out - hormone levels, sex, endo , ecto, enviroment, culture, activity.
there are cases where people store fat much more easily than others - and even on restriced calorific intakes
to say there are absolutley zero cases world wide, is bloody minded mate. imo of course
your examples are non relevant, for countries where food sources are low.
i agree it comes down to calorific intake, but this differes for everysingle person, and has so many more influnces, than, calories in vrs out - hormone levels, sex, endo , ecto, enviroment, culture, activity.
there are cases where people store fat much more easily than others - and even on restriced calorific intakes
to say there are absolutley zero cases world wide, is bloody minded mate. imo of course
Last edited by Trout; 06 September 2011 at 04:49 PM.
06 September 2011, 04:47 PM
#50
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (13)
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: here, there, everywhere
Posts: 3,111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
got nothing to add, then just refrain your finger tips in this thread, and go read another 1, lol
06 September 2011, 04:51 PM
#51
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (13)
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: here, there, everywhere
Posts: 3,111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
lol ive already stated above its down to calorific input, my point is you cant label all obese people as lazy, over eaters.
there certainley are medical conditions, that make you more prone to fat storage, t3, output ect.
so 1 person could eat 1500kcals per day, be inactive and stay lean, another could eat the same, inactive and store mass amounts of fat from this low calorie intake
there certainley are medical conditions, that make you more prone to fat storage, t3, output ect.
so 1 person could eat 1500kcals per day, be inactive and stay lean, another could eat the same, inactive and store mass amounts of fat from this low calorie intake
06 September 2011, 04:56 PM
#52
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
lol ive already stated above its down to calorific input, my point is you cant label all obese people as lazy, over eaters.
there certainley are medical conditions, that make you more prone to fat storage, t3, output ect.
so 1 person could eat 1500kcals per day, be inactive and stay lean, another could eat the same, inactive and store mass amounts of fat from this low calorie intake
there certainley are medical conditions, that make you more prone to fat storage, t3, output ect.
so 1 person could eat 1500kcals per day, be inactive and stay lean, another could eat the same, inactive and store mass amounts of fat from this low calorie intake
Or one person weighs 10st and the other 10st 10lbs - hardly obese (unless they are both 5ft tall!!)
06 September 2011, 05:37 PM
#53
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (13)
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: here, there, everywhere
Posts: 3,111
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
id like to see the study which came up with those figures,
what about diabetes, with hi insulin, to people with over active or under active thyroids
from one extreme to the other, can create massive differences between individuals
what about diabetes, with hi insulin, to people with over active or under active thyroids
from one extreme to the other, can create massive differences between individuals
06 September 2011, 05:44 PM
#54
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (4)
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: W / London
Posts: 2,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
lol ive already stated above its down to calorific input, my point is you cant label all obese people as lazy, over eaters.
there certainley are medical conditions, that make you more prone to fat storage, t3, output ect.
so 1 person could eat 1500kcals per day, be inactive and stay lean, another could eat the same, inactive and store mass amounts of fat from this low calorie intake
there certainley are medical conditions, that make you more prone to fat storage, t3, output ect.
so 1 person could eat 1500kcals per day, be inactive and stay lean, another could eat the same, inactive and store mass amounts of fat from this low calorie intake
You never saw a fat person in a concentration camp.
06 September 2011, 06:34 PM
#55
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: God's promised land
Posts: 80,907
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jef, you're a fat person's wet dream.
Stop making bloody excuses for the legions of obese people in the world.
JUST EAT LESS, OR EXERCISE MORE. It's not rocket science.
Stop making bloody excuses for the legions of obese people in the world.
JUST EAT LESS, OR EXERCISE MORE. It's not rocket science.
06 September 2011, 09:52 PM
#56
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You make a great point - diabetes sufferers who are insulin dependent have to watch their intake as insulin plays a role in controlling blood sugar levels and sugar conversion to fat. More insulin means it is easier to turn sugar into fat.
BUT if your calorific intake is balanced with your calorific usage, even with insulin dependence YOU DO NOT GET FAT!!!!
One of my team is a 40-something, lifelong insulin user, skinny as a rake. My ex as also a 40-something, lifelong insulin user and whilst not a rake is not fat, but even before she got diabetes she was always a little curvy.
So insulin hasn't made them fat.
06 September 2011, 10:52 PM
#58
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Home
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
07 September 2011, 04:32 AM
#59
