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Yes I do
Given the fact that he also failed to mention he had an issue with his bug wrx when he traded it in. Lucky for me the engine management light came on, the look on his face was some what embarrassed..........
I actually felt embarrassed for him...........being caught red handed and choking on your words..
I thought nothing of it and give him the benefit of the doubt.
As they say what goes around comes around
Immy
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Yes I do
Given the fact that he also failed to mention he had an issue with his bug wrx when he traded it in. Lucky for me the engine management light came on, the look on his face was some what embarrassed..........
I actually felt embarrassed for him...........being caught red handed and choking on your words..
I thought nothing of it and give him the benefit of the doubt.
As they say what goes around comes around
Immy
Given the fact that he also failed to mention he had an issue with his bug wrx when he traded it in. Lucky for me the engine management light came on, the look on his face was some what embarrassed..........
I actually felt embarrassed for him...........being caught red handed and choking on your words..
I thought nothing of it and give him the benefit of the doubt.
As they say what goes around comes around
Immy
Cant have been much as the car went 6k!
[QUOTE=GTR Cook;10208432][quote=juggers;10208359]
I got a phone call of Ross claiming the engine had let go,to my surprise having paid a fortune getting it sorted 7 months earlier.
It's the first time I have ever had an engine build on a car however it was left with a trusted garage who have many years of experience dealing with Impreza's.[quote]
Correct me if i am wrong but you said you spent 2K on the rebuild- a fraction of what you should have!
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Long story short Ross rings me 6 months later saying the engine let go.
Although it was out of the 3 month warranty I said I would have it looked at and sorted. However he was adamant the car stay with him........fair do's. [quote]
Why would he trust the car going back to you after what you have already done?
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I asked a few questions such as ,have you tracked the car or has it been starved of oil or has it been modified.....in which he replied "No".
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Fitting mudflaps and a backbox doesn't blow a hole in a piston or fit the broken/suspect parts that were on the engine!
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He seem'd to already know that the car was low on compression and that him and his Mechanic mate had diagnosed the car in his shed......Ummmmmmm.
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A compression test is easy enough to be carried out as well as bore scopes to see the damage- this wasn't carried out by a mate- it was the tuner that was to carry out the initially strip the engine. Carried out in his home garage due to the car not being able to move under its own steam
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We agreed that he would take the car to a garage of his choice.
Now this is where it gets interesting, it took a day for a diagnostics which had revealed that one of the pistons was low on compression.
I asked for the engine to be stripped and offered to pay all the cost's and asked for a full report which was supposed to be done within a couple of days.
After 8 weeks (not 5 weeks Ross and I have e-mails to prove this )passed by and not a word from Ross 
I was never kept uptodate at all ,if I was surely your phone records will prove that or e-mails.
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The tuner in question suffered a family berievement of which you were notified. I cannot see how you can use this in your defence- you must be a very cold hearted person!
I have seen the emails and you were most definately kept up to date as well as unanawered phone calls!
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Then I get a phone call telling me the garage is taking the pi** and they haven't stripped the engine. I spoke to the garage and asked them to confirm a few details regarding the engine and to take pics which they said had been done.
Upon request of this information no pics were provided and I never had a response other than from Ross saying he knows what I want and that the garage hasn't got it
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Now think about this for one minute- the engine was removed (permission was sought from yourself on this matter) due to it sitting untouched on a stand. This would be the garagre taking the pi** as you put it. A new and more respected tuner was choosen and you agreed.
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Ross and his mate GTRCROOK (the mechanic).
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Thanks for resorting to childish name changing but i am no mechanic- can fix a car at the track but not undertake major works- till the point of taking the engine off the stand and putting it in the boot i had remained a friend on the end of a phone.
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I was then given a Documented report which had shown a list of unusual things. And pictures were provided with a full report.
Now the garage that did the rebuild for me is a well respected outfit and it was there word over Ross however I decided that I would be happy enough to sort Ross out with a new engine and requested a bill for parts.
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So respected they made so many mistakes with the rebuild and who you refused to name!
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After doing a little digging on scoobynet I see that Ross has been to the Nurburgring / trackdays and a few of his threads are edited.
SO WHY LIE????????????????????????????????? if you had nothing to hide?
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What does this have to do with it- it went to the ring, did five very slow laps laps, there's a reason he is also known as Kin Slow and drove home again.
Are you saying anyone going to the ring will blow up there engine? Shows you knew something about the engine no one else did!
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At this point I decide to check everything, the engine number was listed in the report provided by the 2nd specialist.
I had some paper work relating to the car and made a few enquiries to verify the vin number given.
The engine number given in the report wasn't the same at this point I told Ross to foooook off and that I am happy to resolve this matter in court.
Subaru UK and Japan do not have any records of engine numbers for this car. (confirmed in Japan by a much more respected import company than you). The only way you would have that is when it was taken out the first time and the only way it would be different is if you had another engine fitted! Please correct me if i am wrong- sounds plausable though doesn't it.
The first tuner caused sooooooo many problems by not doing what was asked that you seem to think there is foul play. this is only on your side. Both engine reports (you recieved both) state exactly the same issues so the engine that was removed is the one that has been rebuilt
You may be happy to take this to court as you have already said, your not short of money. You know Ross cannot afford to loose anymore ona car that has to date set him back over 25k.
Is nice for you to show everyone on here just how you treat your customers when things go wrong though.
Aren't you the jolly mechanic to aid him through all this?
You made a good point that Ross doesn't have or didn't have the finances, not even for a build.
The first tuner is not as reputable as the 2nd tuner why's that........he was the bees knees at first.
How I treat my customers 99% of them become my friends. It's funny how out of all the cars I have sold this is the only one with an issue
Your source must be as good at sourcing information as you are at telling storys.
The fact that your implying I had the engine fitted with cheap parts etc to save money is a Joke for a number of reasons.
1) I aint short of cash
2) Why would I knowingly sell a scoobynet member a car with a bodged engine..................knowing that if something went wrong he would be on here straight away.
It just doesn't make sense that I would run the risk damaging my reputation for a couple k ?
If the ring trip has nothing to do with it then why lie about it?
Immy
I got a phone call of Ross claiming the engine had let go,to my surprise having paid a fortune getting it sorted 7 months earlier.
It's the first time I have ever had an engine build on a car however it was left with a trusted garage who have many years of experience dealing with Impreza's.[quote]
Correct me if i am wrong but you said you spent 2K on the rebuild- a fraction of what you should have!
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Long story short Ross rings me 6 months later saying the engine let go.
Although it was out of the 3 month warranty I said I would have it looked at and sorted. However he was adamant the car stay with him........fair do's. [quote]
Why would he trust the car going back to you after what you have already done?
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I asked a few questions such as ,have you tracked the car or has it been starved of oil or has it been modified.....in which he replied "No".
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Fitting mudflaps and a backbox doesn't blow a hole in a piston or fit the broken/suspect parts that were on the engine!
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He seem'd to already know that the car was low on compression and that him and his Mechanic mate had diagnosed the car in his shed......Ummmmmmm.
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A compression test is easy enough to be carried out as well as bore scopes to see the damage- this wasn't carried out by a mate- it was the tuner that was to carry out the initially strip the engine. Carried out in his home garage due to the car not being able to move under its own steam
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We agreed that he would take the car to a garage of his choice.
Now this is where it gets interesting, it took a day for a diagnostics which had revealed that one of the pistons was low on compression.
I asked for the engine to be stripped and offered to pay all the cost's and asked for a full report which was supposed to be done within a couple of days.
After 8 weeks (not 5 weeks Ross and I have e-mails to prove this
)passed by and not a word from Ross I was never kept uptodate at all ,if I was surely your phone records will prove that or e-mails. [quote]
The tuner in question suffered a family berievement of which you were notified. I cannot see how you can use this in your defence- you must be a very cold hearted person!
I have seen the emails and you were most definately kept up to date as well as unanawered phone calls!
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Then I get a phone call telling me the garage is taking the pi** and they haven't stripped the engine. I spoke to the garage and asked them to confirm a few details regarding the engine and to take pics which they said had been done.
Upon request of this information no pics were provided and I never had a response other than from Ross saying he knows what I want and that the garage hasn't got it
??????????????????????????????????????
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Now think about this for one minute- the engine was removed (permission was sought from yourself on this matter) due to it sitting untouched on a stand. This would be the garagre taking the pi** as you put it. A new and more respected tuner was choosen and you agreed.
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Ross and his mate GTRCROOK (the mechanic).
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Thanks for resorting to childish name changing but i am no mechanic- can fix a car at the track but not undertake major works- till the point of taking the engine off the stand and putting it in the boot i had remained a friend on the end of a phone.
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I was then given a Documented report which had shown a list of unusual things. And pictures were provided with a full report.
Now the garage that did the rebuild for me is a well respected outfit and it was there word over Ross however I decided that I would be happy enough to sort Ross out with a new engine and requested a bill for parts.
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So respected they made so many mistakes with the rebuild and who you refused to name!
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After doing a little digging on scoobynet I see that Ross has been to the Nurburgring / trackdays and a few of his threads are edited.
SO WHY LIE????????????????????????????????? if you had nothing to hide?
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What does this have to do with it- it went to the ring, did five very slow laps laps, there's a reason he is also known as Kin Slow and drove home again.
Are you saying anyone going to the ring will blow up there engine? Shows you knew something about the engine no one else did!
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At this point I decide to check everything, the engine number was listed in the report provided by the 2nd specialist.
I had some paper work relating to the car and made a few enquiries to verify the vin number given.
The engine number given in the report wasn't the same at this point I told Ross to foooook off and that I am happy to resolve this matter in court.
Subaru UK and Japan do not have any records of engine numbers for this car. (confirmed in Japan by a much more respected import company than you). The only way you would have that is when it was taken out the first time and the only way it would be different is if you had another engine fitted! Please correct me if i am wrong- sounds plausable though doesn't it.
The first tuner caused sooooooo many problems by not doing what was asked that you seem to think there is foul play. this is only on your side. Both engine reports (you recieved both) state exactly the same issues so the engine that was removed is the one that has been rebuilt
You may be happy to take this to court as you have already said, your not short of money. You know Ross cannot afford to loose anymore ona car that has to date set him back over 25k.
Is nice for you to show everyone on here just how you treat your customers when things go wrong though.
You made a good point that Ross doesn't have or didn't have the finances, not even for a build.
The first tuner is not as reputable as the 2nd tuner why's that........he was the bees knees at first.
How I treat my customers 99% of them become my friends. It's funny how out of all the cars I have sold this is the only one with an issue
Your source must be as good at sourcing information as you are at telling storys.
The fact that your implying I had the engine fitted with cheap parts etc to save money is a Joke for a number of reasons.
1) I aint short of cash
2) Why would I knowingly sell a scoobynet member a car with a bodged engine..................knowing that if something went wrong he would be on here straight away.
It just doesn't make sense that I would run the risk damaging my reputation for a couple k ?
If the ring trip has nothing to do with it then why lie about it?
Immy
Last edited by juggers; Aug 28, 2011 at 04:38 PM.
He didn't even know himself ...Ross muttered embarrassedly "it just pops up from time to time"
Luckily for me there was a garage near by who diagnosed the car.
Ask the member who owns it he's on the forums. He was fully aware of the issue.
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[quote=juggers;10208460][quote=GTR Cook;10208432]
Aren't you the jolly mechanic to aid him through all this?
You made a good point that Ross doesn't have or didn't have the finances, not even for a build.
The first tuner is not as reputable as the 2nd tuner why's that........he was the bees knees at first.
How I treat my customers 99% of them become my friends. It's funny how out of all the cars I have sold this is the only one with an issue
The fact that your implying I had the engine fitted with cheap parts etc to save money is a Joke for a number of reasons.
1) I aint short of cash
2) Why would I knowingly sell a scoobynet member a car with a bodged engine..................knowing that if something went wrong he would be on here straight away.
It just doesn't make sense that I would run the risk damaging my reputation for a couple k ?
If the ring trip has nothing to do with it then why lie about it?
Immy
As already stated i am not the "Jolly Mechanic" as you put it.
As for the engine, the report and broken parts speaks volumes, you still haven't said who did the work, why it cost soooooo little and why there are so many issues with it?!
Edited to add, no body buys a 10k mile car with the intention of having to rebuild it- or should they when they buy from you?
Interesting that the comments your chosing to respond to are not the important ones.............
Aren't you the jolly mechanic to aid him through all this?
You made a good point that Ross doesn't have or didn't have the finances, not even for a build.
The first tuner is not as reputable as the 2nd tuner why's that........he was the bees knees at first.
How I treat my customers 99% of them become my friends. It's funny how out of all the cars I have sold this is the only one with an issue
The fact that your implying I had the engine fitted with cheap parts etc to save money is a Joke for a number of reasons.
1) I aint short of cash
2) Why would I knowingly sell a scoobynet member a car with a bodged engine..................knowing that if something went wrong he would be on here straight away.
It just doesn't make sense that I would run the risk damaging my reputation for a couple k ?
If the ring trip has nothing to do with it then why lie about it?
Immy
As for the engine, the report and broken parts speaks volumes, you still haven't said who did the work, why it cost soooooo little and why there are so many issues with it?!
Edited to add, no body buys a 10k mile car with the intention of having to rebuild it- or should they when they buy from you?
Interesting that the comments your chosing to respond to are not the important ones.............
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I would use clear concise English too as your second sentence makes absolutely no sense.
[QUOTE=GTR Cook;10208473][quote=juggers;10208460]
As already stated i am not the "Jolly Mechanic" as you put it.
As for the engine, the report and broken parts speaks volumes, you still haven't said who did the work, why it cost soooooo little and why there are so many issues with it?!
Edited to add, no body buys a 10k mile car with the intention of having to rebuild it- or should they when they buy from you?
Interesting that the comments your chosing to respond to are not the important ones.............
I haven't named the garage for a good reason, it's simply got nothing to do with them the issue is between me and Ross. Why would I let him try and drag down a reputable garage.
Interesting to see between the two of you's theres a lot of dishonesty.
Immy
As already stated i am not the "Jolly Mechanic" as you put it.
As for the engine, the report and broken parts speaks volumes, you still haven't said who did the work, why it cost soooooo little and why there are so many issues with it?!
Edited to add, no body buys a 10k mile car with the intention of having to rebuild it- or should they when they buy from you?
Interesting that the comments your chosing to respond to are not the important ones.............
Interesting to see between the two of you's theres a lot of dishonesty.
Immy
If you can't understand what I have written due to writing 'your' instead of 'you' it's a bit yawn 
but crack on if you want to have an English argument seems to be the norm on snet these days for people to have a hernia if someone types 'your' instead of 'you
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Hmmmm interesting
Having read all the comments it would seem that the seller is thinking that by threatening liable action against anyone who dare comment in a negative way and stating that he isnt short of cash that it some negates the fact he sold a car without informing the buyer of the cars history because he knew that any potentual buyer would have run a mile and he would have been stuck with said car!!!!
The buyer got ****ed and is now left to foot the bill for someone elses poor workmanship.
If the seller isnt so short of money then why didnt he pay for the repairs which is what would be expected if the seller wanted to maintain his reputation as being a fair and honest seller?
Having read all the comments it would seem that the seller is thinking that by threatening liable action against anyone who dare comment in a negative way and stating that he isnt short of cash that it some negates the fact he sold a car without informing the buyer of the cars history because he knew that any potentual buyer would have run a mile and he would have been stuck with said car!!!!
The buyer got ****ed and is now left to foot the bill for someone elses poor workmanship.
If the seller isnt so short of money then why didnt he pay for the repairs which is what would be expected if the seller wanted to maintain his reputation as being a fair and honest seller?
Hmmmm interesting
Having read all the comments it would seem that the seller is thinking that by threatening liable action against anyone who dare comment in a negative way and stating that he isnt short of cash that it some negates the fact he sold a car without informing the buyer of the cars history because he knew that any potentual buyer would have run a mile and he would have been stuck with said car!!!!
The buyer got ****ed and is now left to foot the bill for someone elses poor workmanship.
If the seller isnt so short of money then why didnt he pay for the repairs which is what would be expected if the seller wanted to maintain his reputation as being a fair and honest seller?
Having read all the comments it would seem that the seller is thinking that by threatening liable action against anyone who dare comment in a negative way and stating that he isnt short of cash that it some negates the fact he sold a car without informing the buyer of the cars history because he knew that any potentual buyer would have run a mile and he would have been stuck with said car!!!!
The buyer got ****ed and is now left to foot the bill for someone elses poor workmanship.
If the seller isnt so short of money then why didnt he pay for the repairs which is what would be expected if the seller wanted to maintain his reputation as being a fair and honest seller?
I haven't threatened any legal action, it was Ross who threatened it originally.
So I agreed to settle it in court as I have my evidence, however he went on the quite side.
The 2nd point which you've missed is that I offered to replace his engine with a new one.
Agh just realised your from Essex one of the crew?
Immy
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From: Jolly Mechanic
I certainly wouldn't trust any engine from this person, and i am sure people would prefer to have the original engine in a limited edition car (albeit one thats been rebuilt).
The friendly mechanic Immy is talking about doesn't exist, it was a tuner that was considered a friend but shafted Ross as well.
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Hmmmm interesting
Having read all the comments it would seem that the seller is thinking that by threatening liable action against anyone who dare comment in a negative way and stating that he isnt short of cash that it some negates the fact he sold a car without informing the buyer of the cars history because he knew that any potentual buyer would have run a mile and he would have been stuck with said car!!!!
The buyer got ****ed and is now left to foot the bill for someone elses poor workmanship.
If the seller isnt so short of money then why didnt he pay for the repairs which is what would be expected if the seller wanted to maintain his reputation as being a fair and honest seller?
Having read all the comments it would seem that the seller is thinking that by threatening liable action against anyone who dare comment in a negative way and stating that he isnt short of cash that it some negates the fact he sold a car without informing the buyer of the cars history because he knew that any potentual buyer would have run a mile and he would have been stuck with said car!!!!
The buyer got ****ed and is now left to foot the bill for someone elses poor workmanship.
If the seller isnt so short of money then why didnt he pay for the repairs which is what would be expected if the seller wanted to maintain his reputation as being a fair and honest seller?
Ross was first offered a second hand engine from one of the other cars for sale, then a random secondhand engine and finally a so called crated engine, the offer was very quickly withdrawn.
I certainly wouldn't trust any engine from this person, and i am sure people would prefer to have the original engine in a limited edition car (albeit one thats been rebuilt).
The friendly mechanic Immy is talking about doesn't exist, it was a tuner that was considered a friend but shafted Ross as well.
I certainly wouldn't trust any engine from this person, and i am sure people would prefer to have the original engine in a limited edition car (albeit one thats been rebuilt).
The friendly mechanic Immy is talking about doesn't exist, it was a tuner that was considered a friend but shafted Ross as well.
The first tuner was recommended by Ross who is also a respected garage on here. It's amazing how many people keep shafting Ross.
Before you was at his defence and now he's shafted Ross.....make your mind up
Immy
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Agh just realised your from Essex one of the crew?
Very intelligent, it must have taken you all of a milli-second to think of that comment, maybe you should stop counting the huge piles of cash you've got Mr Sugar then you may well see that you ****ed the buyer
Agh just realised your from Essex one of the crew?
Very intelligent, it must have taken you all of a milli-second to think of that comment, maybe you should stop counting the huge piles of cash you've got Mr Sugar then you may well see that you ****ed the buyer
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From: Jolly Mechanic
[quote=juggers;10208491][quote=GTR Cook;10208473]
Sorry but i disagree, it is to do with your garage, they did the work and got it wrong!
The only dishonesty is coming from you my friend, you lied, still are lieing and will continue to do so.
You haven't disputed any of my points i replied to so must be accurate............
The only dishonesty is coming from you my friend, you lied, still are lieing and will continue to do so.
You haven't disputed any of my points i replied to so must be accurate............
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From: Jolly Mechanic
I am posting the info that Ross wrote down during your phone conversations so i believe they are accurate.
The tuner that let down Ross also failed to provide information to you. If he didn't do the work in a suitable timescale i would say thats letting him down knowing the importance of the full strip down report.
Reputations change as peoples actions dictate.
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Ok, both parties have had a chance to put their side of the argument across.
This is something that really needs to be dealt with off-line now, as clearly a resolution will not be forthcomming by posting on SN.
Accordingly, I'm locking this thread.
This is something that really needs to be dealt with off-line now, as clearly a resolution will not be forthcomming by posting on SN.
Accordingly, I'm locking this thread.
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ALi-B In attempt to be proactive. Question to be posed:
What warranty was given or implied?
I was told 1 week (I know legally it's 3 months).
Did the buyer have the car inspected?
No - The car had under 11k miles on the clock, the trader had imported it himself, sold it to a forum member RCWhite, then bought it back and sold it to me - why would I even consider that the engine had been changed TWICE in 11k miles!?!? My old WRX completed 90kmiles without many issues, why would a Spec C have issues at 11kmiles??? Thought the trader was a reputable trusted dealer - how wrong was I!!!
If so by whom?
N/A
Did the buyer ask if the engine had been rebuilt?
The car was advertised and sold as an ORIGINAL 11kmile Spec-C, why would I think the engine had been rebuilt after 2-3 weeks of PM's, emails and phone calls??? - Read the project thread!!!
Was the engine mapped for use in the UK?
Was modified by RCM and mapped by Bob Rawle by the previous owner RCWhite - Read the project thread!!!
Was it used on a race track?
Done 6 SLOW laps of the ring (I don't know the ring and as a result it was driven VERY cautiously) - I've done many trackdays and it was not driven at ANY time near track speeds, as already mentioned, I completed 90kmiles in my old modified WRX which I drove to the ring on 3 occasions and completed 11 or 12 trackdays in - why would a Spec C (which was develpoed at the ring) have any problems being driven SLOWLY around the ring??
If so, did it have its service regime and oil grade altered to cope with the
above extreme operating conditions.
Mocom checked the car over and changed all fluids including engine oil/filter, gearbox oil and diff oil for good quality Motul 300V before going to the ring - I have the invoice.
Was the seller not given the opertunity to look at the car and rectify the fault from the outset?
He had plenty of chances and offers to come look at the car but declined, legally it is my right to take it to a specialist of my choice in agreement with the dealer, which was done - He was not taking the car AND having my money, Manchester is a long way from Essex - Read the project thread!!!
Why did the first garage not strip/diagnose/quote/repair the engine?
Mocom carried out a compression test and took the engine out, found the issues stated in the projects thread on a first look basis - Read the projects thread!!!
Is this garage still operating?
Just!
Why did it take so long for it to get to the second garage?
Mocom had a family member pass away, this was relayed to the dealer who was kept up to date on the progress/problems - Read the project thread!!!
Upon being taken to the second garage, was complete or in a basket case when the second garage recieved it (i.e already in bits)?
The engine was complete when the second specialist recieved it, I took it off the engine stand at Mocom (YES IT WAS THE SAME ENGINE THAT WAS SOLD WITH THE CAR!!!!) and put it in the boot of my Focus and drove it straight to the second specialist - Read the project thread!!!
Why wasn't the new engine not built like for like?
Isn't that my choice??? The car had been off the road for months by this time, the dealer totally shafted me so I decided to get it built properly and of a better standard - Read the project thread!!!
What diffenece in price is this from a standard engine?
Depends if you mean a second hand pile of cr4p of unknown quantity or a brand new Subaru JDM engine - Subaru quoted me over £5k for new imported parts to repair/replace the engine 'like for like', the car is a limited edition Spec-C, I paid a lot of money to purchase the best one I could get from a 'so called' reputable dealer, I'm not sticking any old pile of cr4p in it!! Who in their right mind would buy it if I ever try to sell up!?!? - The dealer obviously didn't seem to have a problem with doing this though!!
What was the cause of the second engine failure?
It was a pile of **** built by a retard - Read the project thread!!!
Has this been rectified?
Yes, with no help from the dealer!! - Read the project thread!!!
Would this fault be noticeable to the driver before it manifested in total failure?
I would have thought so, but evidently not, the engine felt fine to me (7.5years and 90kmiles experiance of
Scoobs!) and no CEL light ever came up - Read the project thread!!!
How would the seller be expected to notice it BEFORE failure (symptoms) ?
The dealer admitted to buying the car with a faulty engine and getting the engine rebuilt "spent £2k changing the pistons" but never told me before or during the sale! - Read the project thread!!!
And if diagnosable prior to total failure, what precaution should a seller take to check for this?
How do I answer this?? The dealer deliberately brought a Spec C with a knackered engine, he then 'fixed' it on the cheap and sold it on as an immaculate and 'original' car, he knew what he had done, was doing and will probably do again, yet was totally happy to shaft me and charge me top dollar for a car with a shagged engine built by monkies - Read the project thread!!!
Are there any other items on the car other than the engine that are of in need of attention?
Battery died the day after I got it home - this was mentioned during the purchase as it needed a jump start for the test drive. Front disks had big lips on them which only lasted around 500miles.
Were these outlined by the seller?
The battery was but he reckoned it would be okay after driving the 300 odd miles home - I on the other hand used to be an electrician and knew otherwise, this was proved the very next morning when it wouldn't turn over!
Further questions:
Is the seller private or trade?
Dealer - Read the prject thread!!!
Who imported the car?
The same dealer originally imported it!
Has the car been used in the UK prior to the sale
If so, by whom and for how long.
Yes, RCWhite
What fuel/ignition map did the engine have prior to sale?
Ask Bob Rawle
When was the first engine rebuilt?
The previous owner would not respond to my contacts, the dealer is STILL lying, I was told by RCM that whaen it blew up, RCWhite took it 'elsewhere' to get it repaired - no one will tell me where it went, what engine was fitted or what was done/fixd/bodged!!
Did the builder give a warranty?
How do I know??? It was on it's second engine before I even saw it!!
If not, why not?
Ask the dealer, sure he will lie to you as he did to me!!
Why was it rebuilt?
As above, I have no idea!
Was the cause of failure properly diagnosed?
As above!
If so, what was the cause?
As above!
What components were replaced?
As above!
Were they replaced like for like?
As above!
And were they new or used parts?
As above!
What checks were performed prior to sale?
The dealer knew it was shagged when he bought it for a cheap price, I'm sure him and his monkey mechanics didn't care what was wrong with it, they just bodged it together as cheap as possible to sell it!
And what was found from these checks?
The dealer bought it, how do I know? He won't even tell me what he 'supposedly' fixed, or who done the 'bodging'!
With the exception to the engine, what other work was carried out to the car?
No idea, every single breath he breathes is a lie as far as I'm concerned so why should/would I believe a thing he says!?!?!?
Final questions:
Which user have direct involvment with this car?
RCWhite
And what involvement is that?
He owned it, modified it, blew it up, got it running (badly) then sold it to the dealer!!
Ali - I'm sorry if I sound a bit 'off' with my replies, I respect and understand where your coming from with the questions, but to be totally honest with you, I am getting really fed up with people not reading the WORDS in my project thread, most of the 'put downs' I have recieved are mainly because people are just looking at the pretty pictures of what is left of the bodged engine that was in my car when the dealer sold it to me!! If people actually READ the project thread then they would know that I am telling the truth!! Terminator X keeps banging on about how much he wants the dealers babies, but the fact is he bought 2 NEWLY imported cars from the dealer and has never bought a 2nd hand car from him - totally different set of circumstances to mine!!
Lots of questions have been asked and things have been stated by the dealer and others to try and get me to slip up and say something different to the details in the project thread - this will never happen as EVERYTHING IS FACT!!!! It is all true, whether people want to believe me or the lying scumbag dealer is up to them - the fact remains I have been totally shafted by this turd and it will never get resolved as it is all finished and done with and as the WORDS in the project thread shows, he has got out scott free by a technicallity which was raised by the 1st tuner not doing as I requested or paid for!!
Further more - please do not keep stating that I need to see the dealer face to face off Snet to sort it out (unless your trying to get a reaction out of me so you have an excuse to delete yet another thread), I can understand your frustrations with everyone posting things that you feel need to be deleted, infractioned, but this issue has been resolved - the result was/is that I have been totally shafted by this piece of **** scumbag dealer and thats the end of it!! I don't see why I can't have a projects thread, nor do I see why I can't let people know how bad a trader he is to protect them from going through the same/similar problems!!
One last point - you and everyone else knows who he is, what he does and what he sells, even though he is not an authorised trader on here, (he used to be!!) he is allowed to sell things openly (without using the actual words), yet if someone mentions they are selling or advertising ANYTHING, they get told off, their thread/post gets deleted and they have to pay to be an authorised advertiser - you keep deleting things and wondering why everyone gets the hump and are making a big thing of this, but even from an outsiders point of veiw, it looks like Snet is trying to protect him and constantly licking his ring piece!
If you want any evidence to back up any of my FACT's, then I'm willing to bring it to you in person so you can go through the whole lot, PM's, emails, phonecalls, invoices, engine report, etc...
I have copied all of my answers here, I know I have said nothing libelous so I expect this post to be left alone!!
Still yet to recieve an infraction so looking forward to it
xx
What warranty was given or implied?
I was told 1 week (I know legally it's 3 months).
Did the buyer have the car inspected?
No - The car had under 11k miles on the clock, the trader had imported it himself, sold it to a forum member RCWhite, then bought it back and sold it to me - why would I even consider that the engine had been changed TWICE in 11k miles!?!? My old WRX completed 90kmiles without many issues, why would a Spec C have issues at 11kmiles??? Thought the trader was a reputable trusted dealer - how wrong was I!!!
If so by whom?
N/A
Did the buyer ask if the engine had been rebuilt?
The car was advertised and sold as an ORIGINAL 11kmile Spec-C, why would I think the engine had been rebuilt after 2-3 weeks of PM's, emails and phone calls??? - Read the project thread!!!
Was the engine mapped for use in the UK?
Was modified by RCM and mapped by Bob Rawle by the previous owner RCWhite - Read the project thread!!!
Was it used on a race track?
Done 6 SLOW laps of the ring (I don't know the ring and as a result it was driven VERY cautiously) - I've done many trackdays and it was not driven at ANY time near track speeds, as already mentioned, I completed 90kmiles in my old modified WRX which I drove to the ring on 3 occasions and completed 11 or 12 trackdays in - why would a Spec C (which was develpoed at the ring) have any problems being driven SLOWLY around the ring??
If so, did it have its service regime and oil grade altered to cope with the
above extreme operating conditions.
Mocom checked the car over and changed all fluids including engine oil/filter, gearbox oil and diff oil for good quality Motul 300V before going to the ring - I have the invoice.
Was the seller not given the opertunity to look at the car and rectify the fault from the outset?
He had plenty of chances and offers to come look at the car but declined, legally it is my right to take it to a specialist of my choice in agreement with the dealer, which was done - He was not taking the car AND having my money, Manchester is a long way from Essex - Read the project thread!!!
Why did the first garage not strip/diagnose/quote/repair the engine?
Mocom carried out a compression test and took the engine out, found the issues stated in the projects thread on a first look basis - Read the projects thread!!!
Is this garage still operating?
Just!
Why did it take so long for it to get to the second garage?
Mocom had a family member pass away, this was relayed to the dealer who was kept up to date on the progress/problems - Read the project thread!!!
Upon being taken to the second garage, was complete or in a basket case when the second garage recieved it (i.e already in bits)?
The engine was complete when the second specialist recieved it, I took it off the engine stand at Mocom (YES IT WAS THE SAME ENGINE THAT WAS SOLD WITH THE CAR!!!!) and put it in the boot of my Focus and drove it straight to the second specialist - Read the project thread!!!
Why wasn't the new engine not built like for like?
Isn't that my choice??? The car had been off the road for months by this time, the dealer totally shafted me so I decided to get it built properly and of a better standard - Read the project thread!!!
What diffenece in price is this from a standard engine?
Depends if you mean a second hand pile of cr4p of unknown quantity or a brand new Subaru JDM engine - Subaru quoted me over £5k for new imported parts to repair/replace the engine 'like for like', the car is a limited edition Spec-C, I paid a lot of money to purchase the best one I could get from a 'so called' reputable dealer, I'm not sticking any old pile of cr4p in it!! Who in their right mind would buy it if I ever try to sell up!?!? - The dealer obviously didn't seem to have a problem with doing this though!!
What was the cause of the second engine failure?
It was a pile of **** built by a retard - Read the project thread!!!
Has this been rectified?
Yes, with no help from the dealer!! - Read the project thread!!!
Would this fault be noticeable to the driver before it manifested in total failure?
I would have thought so, but evidently not, the engine felt fine to me (7.5years and 90kmiles experiance of
Scoobs!) and no CEL light ever came up - Read the project thread!!!
How would the seller be expected to notice it BEFORE failure (symptoms) ?
The dealer admitted to buying the car with a faulty engine and getting the engine rebuilt "spent £2k changing the pistons" but never told me before or during the sale! - Read the project thread!!!
And if diagnosable prior to total failure, what precaution should a seller take to check for this?
How do I answer this?? The dealer deliberately brought a Spec C with a knackered engine, he then 'fixed' it on the cheap and sold it on as an immaculate and 'original' car, he knew what he had done, was doing and will probably do again, yet was totally happy to shaft me and charge me top dollar for a car with a shagged engine built by monkies - Read the project thread!!!
Are there any other items on the car other than the engine that are of in need of attention?
Battery died the day after I got it home - this was mentioned during the purchase as it needed a jump start for the test drive. Front disks had big lips on them which only lasted around 500miles.
Were these outlined by the seller?
The battery was but he reckoned it would be okay after driving the 300 odd miles home - I on the other hand used to be an electrician and knew otherwise, this was proved the very next morning when it wouldn't turn over!
Further questions:
Is the seller private or trade?
Dealer - Read the prject thread!!!
Who imported the car?
The same dealer originally imported it!
Has the car been used in the UK prior to the sale
If so, by whom and for how long.
Yes, RCWhite
What fuel/ignition map did the engine have prior to sale?
Ask Bob Rawle
When was the first engine rebuilt?
The previous owner would not respond to my contacts, the dealer is STILL lying, I was told by RCM that whaen it blew up, RCWhite took it 'elsewhere' to get it repaired - no one will tell me where it went, what engine was fitted or what was done/fixd/bodged!!
Did the builder give a warranty?
How do I know??? It was on it's second engine before I even saw it!!
If not, why not?
Ask the dealer, sure he will lie to you as he did to me!!
Why was it rebuilt?
As above, I have no idea!
Was the cause of failure properly diagnosed?
As above!
If so, what was the cause?
As above!
What components were replaced?
As above!
Were they replaced like for like?
As above!
And were they new or used parts?
As above!
What checks were performed prior to sale?
The dealer knew it was shagged when he bought it for a cheap price, I'm sure him and his monkey mechanics didn't care what was wrong with it, they just bodged it together as cheap as possible to sell it!
And what was found from these checks?
The dealer bought it, how do I know? He won't even tell me what he 'supposedly' fixed, or who done the 'bodging'!
With the exception to the engine, what other work was carried out to the car?
No idea, every single breath he breathes is a lie as far as I'm concerned so why should/would I believe a thing he says!?!?!?
Final questions:
Which user have direct involvment with this car?
RCWhite
And what involvement is that?
He owned it, modified it, blew it up, got it running (badly) then sold it to the dealer!!
Ali - I'm sorry if I sound a bit 'off' with my replies, I respect and understand where your coming from with the questions, but to be totally honest with you, I am getting really fed up with people not reading the WORDS in my project thread, most of the 'put downs' I have recieved are mainly because people are just looking at the pretty pictures of what is left of the bodged engine that was in my car when the dealer sold it to me!! If people actually READ the project thread then they would know that I am telling the truth!! Terminator X keeps banging on about how much he wants the dealers babies, but the fact is he bought 2 NEWLY imported cars from the dealer and has never bought a 2nd hand car from him - totally different set of circumstances to mine!!
Lots of questions have been asked and things have been stated by the dealer and others to try and get me to slip up and say something different to the details in the project thread - this will never happen as EVERYTHING IS FACT!!!! It is all true, whether people want to believe me or the lying scumbag dealer is up to them - the fact remains I have been totally shafted by this turd and it will never get resolved as it is all finished and done with and as the WORDS in the project thread shows, he has got out scott free by a technicallity which was raised by the 1st tuner not doing as I requested or paid for!!
Further more - please do not keep stating that I need to see the dealer face to face off Snet to sort it out (unless your trying to get a reaction out of me so you have an excuse to delete yet another thread), I can understand your frustrations with everyone posting things that you feel need to be deleted, infractioned, but this issue has been resolved - the result was/is that I have been totally shafted by this piece of **** scumbag dealer and thats the end of it!! I don't see why I can't have a projects thread, nor do I see why I can't let people know how bad a trader he is to protect them from going through the same/similar problems!!
One last point - you and everyone else knows who he is, what he does and what he sells, even though he is not an authorised trader on here, (he used to be!!) he is allowed to sell things openly (without using the actual words), yet if someone mentions they are selling or advertising ANYTHING, they get told off, their thread/post gets deleted and they have to pay to be an authorised advertiser - you keep deleting things and wondering why everyone gets the hump and are making a big thing of this, but even from an outsiders point of veiw, it looks like Snet is trying to protect him and constantly licking his ring piece!
If you want any evidence to back up any of my FACT's, then I'm willing to bring it to you in person so you can go through the whole lot, PM's, emails, phonecalls, invoices, engine report, etc...
I have copied all of my answers here, I know I have said nothing libelous so I expect this post to be left alone!!
Still yet to recieve an infraction so looking forward to it
xx
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Posted at the request of Juggers (his comments are highlighted in blue):
In attempt to be proactive. Question to be posed:
What warranty was given or implied?
I was told 1 week (I know legally it's 3 months).
“1 week” pmsl!!!
Did the buyer have the car inspected?
No - The car had under 11k miles on the clock, the trader had imported it himself, sold it to a forum member RCWhite, then bought it back and sold it to me - why would I even consider that the engine had been changed TWICE in 11k miles!?!? My old WRX completed 90kmiles without many issues, why would a Spec C have issues at 11kmiles??? Thought the trader was a reputable trusted dealer - how wrong was I!!!
No however him and his mate had a good look over the car
If so by whom?
N/A
Did the buyer ask if the engine had been rebuilt?
The car was advertised and sold as an ORIGINAL 11kmile Spec-C, why would I think the engine had been rebuilt after 2-3 weeks of PM's, emails and phone calls??? - Read the project thread!!!
No he did not however I was upfront and honest with him and he was made aware that there were engine issues and they were diagnosed and rectified.
Was the engine mapped for use in the UK?
Was modified by RCM and mapped by Bob Rawle by the previous owner RCWhite (Dean Woodward) - Read the project thread!!!
The car was mapped by Bob Rawle
Was it used on a race track?
Done 6 SLOW laps of the ring (I don't know the ring and as a result it was driven VERY cautiously) - I've done many trackdays and it was not driven at ANY time near track speeds, as already mentioned, I completed 90kmiles in my old modified WRX which I drove to the ring on 3 occasions and completed 11 or 12 trackdays in - why would a Spec C (which was develpoed at the ring) have any problems being driven SLOWLY around the ring??
So why lie and tell me the car had not been on a track day or sprinted And edit your threads to cover up the fact that you had been on track days and to the Nurburgring.
The above statement only demonstrates another attempt to dumb down your OWN involvement in the destruction of your engine and to divert any responsibility onto a third party. How can you expect me or anyone else to believe you went to the ring and drove around the ring as tho it was a Sunday drive
If so, did it have its service regime and oil grade altered to cope with the
above extreme operating conditions.
Mocom checked the car over and changed all fluids including engine oil/filter, gearbox oil and diff oil for good quality Motul 300V before going to the ring - I have the invoice.
Was the seller not given the opertunity to look at the car and rectify the fault from the outset?
He had plenty of chances and offers to come look at the car but declined, legally it is my right to take it to a specialist of my choice in agreement with the dealer, which was done - He was not taking the car AND having my money, Manchester is a long way from Essex - Read the project thread!!!
Complete bollocks, Ross was adamant the car stayed with him and refused any inspection on my behalf however we come to the agreement that he would take it to "a garage of his choice" to which I agreed. Ross sang praises for this garage and that he would not take his cars anywhere else
Why did the first garage not strip/diagnose/quote/repair the engine?
Mocom carried out a compression test and took the engine out, found the issues stated in the projects thread on a first look basis - Read the projects thread!!!
I spoke to the garage and was told a compression test was carried out. A couple of the cyliders were low on compression and the main cause of failure was down to the wrong spark plug.
I asked for the engine to be stripped and further inspected and to forward me a cost for a rebuild
Is this garage still operating?
Just!
Yes
Why did it take so long for it to get to the second garage?
Mocom had a family member pass away, this was relayed to the dealer who was kept up to date on the progress/problems - Read the project thread!!!
Ross said it would only take a week then it went quite all of a sudden
I assumed they stripped the engine and that they had found the cause of the failure and it had nothing to do with me.
Upon being taken to the second garage, was complete or in a basket case when the second garage recieved it (i.e already in bits)?
The engine was complete when the second specialist recieved it, I took it off the engine stand at Mocom (YES IT WAS THE SAME ENGINE THAT WAS SOLD WITH THE CAR!!!!) and put it in the boot of my Focus and drove it straight to the second specialist - Read the project thread!!!
So you and GTRcrook put an engine into the back of your focus and drove it straight to the 2nd garage......... Are you sure about that surely both garages can supply the dates
Why wasn't the new engine not built like for like?
Isn't that my choice??? The car had been off the road for months by this time, the dealer totally shafted me so I decided to get it built properly and of a better standard - Read the project thread!!!
I offered to replace the engine with a new spec c engine to which he refused however he had repeatedly stated that he wanted like for like. He never had any intention of going for a standard build!!!
What diffenece in price is this from a standard engine?
Depends if you mean a second hand pile of cr4p of unknown quantity or a brand new Subaru JDM engine - Subaru quoted me over £5k for new imported parts to repair/replace the engine 'like for like', the car is a limited edition Spec-C, I paid a lot of money to purchase the best one I could get from a 'so called' reputable dealer, I'm not sticking any old pile of cr4p in it!! Who in their right mind would buy it if I ever try to sell up!?!? - The dealer obviously didn't seem to have a problem with doing this though!!
If the above is true why would you refuse a new spec c engine? And why would you go for a 2.1 build now????????????
What was the cause of the second engine failure?
It was a pile of **** built by a retard - Read the project thread!!!
Only Ross and GtrCrook know the answer to that
Has this been rectified?
Yes, with no help from the dealer!! - Read the project thread!!!
funny enough is not the same spec engine you were trying to bill me for is it?
Would this fault be noticeable to the driver before it manifested in total failure?
I would have thought so, but evidently not, the engine felt fine to me (7.5years and 90kmiles experiance of
Scoobs!) and no CEL light ever came up - Read the project thread!!!
The engine felt fine because it was a proper engine!!! I find it hard to believe you would get 7k miles doing track days and the Nurburging running 370bhp/410 ltb on wrx internals??????
How would the seller be expected to notice it BEFORE failure (symptoms) ?
The dealer admitted to buying the car with a faulty engine and getting the engine rebuilt "spent £2k changing the pistons" but never told me before or during the sale! - Read the project thread!!!
That’s bollocks you was aware of the issue as you contacted RCM before you bought the car!! Your statement above only demonstrates your dishonesty once again and the attempt to divert any responsibility away from yourself.
And if diagnosable prior to total failure, what precaution should a seller take to check for this?
How do I answer this?? The dealer deliberately brought a Spec C with a knackered engine, he then 'fixed' it on the cheap and sold it on as an immaculate and 'original' car, he knew what he had done, was doing and will probably do again, yet was totally happy to shaft me and charge me top dollar for a car with a shagged engine built by monkies - Read the project thread!!!
He was fully aware of what he was buying.
Are there any other items on the car other than the engine that are of in need of attention?
Battery died the day after I got it home - this was mentioned during the purchase as it needed a jump start for the test drive. Front disks had big lips on them which only lasted around 500miles.
Were these outlined by the seller?
The battery was but he reckoned it would be okay after driving the 300 odd miles home - I on the other hand used to be an electrician and knew otherwise, this was proved the very next morning when it wouldn't turn over!
Further questions:
Is the seller private or trade?
Dealer - Read the prject thread!!!
Who imported the car?
The same dealer originally imported it!
Has the car been used in the UK prior to the sale
If so, by whom and for how long.
Yes, RCWhite
Yes by the previous owner
What fuel/ignition map did the engine have prior to sale?
Ask Bob Rawle
Original map by Bob Rawle
When was the first engine rebuilt?
The previous owner would not respond to my contacts, the dealer is STILL lying, I was told by RCM that whaen it blew up, RCWhite took it 'elsewhere' to get it repaired - no one will tell me where it went, what engine was fitted or what was done/fixd/bodged!!
This is another one of your concocted lies, and am not to sure that RCM would be happy with you making such claims.
The phrase "give someone enough rope and they'll hang them selfs" springs to mind
Did the builder give a warranty?
How do I know??? It was on it's second engine before I even saw it!!
Again false claims.........this gets better and better.
Yes they did.
If not, why not?
Ask the dealer, sure he will lie to you as he did to me!!
Why was it rebuilt?
As above, I have no idea!
Big end went
Was the cause of failure properly diagnosed?
As above!
Starved of oil
If so, what was the cause?
Oil leak
What components were replaced?
As above!
I was advised to change the lot Crank bearings rods pistons seals gaskets oil pump and oil cooler
Were they replaced like for like?
As above!
Yes apart from the ACL bearings
And were they new or used parts?
As above!
New
What checks were performed prior to sale?
The dealer knew it was shagged when he bought it for a cheap price, I'm sure him and his monkey mechanics didn't care what was wrong with it, they just bodged it together as cheap as possible to sell it!
The car was perfectly fine after the rebuild
And what was found from these checks?
The dealer bought it, how do I know? He won't even tell me what he 'supposedly' fixed, or who done the 'bodging'!
[COLOR="navy"] You know full well what was fixed![COLOR]
With the exception to the engine, what other work was carried out to the car?
No idea, every single breath he breathes is a lie as far as I'm concerned so why should/would I believe a thing he says!?!?!?
[COLOR="navy"]Funny enough I think the exact same about you and your posts back it up
Final questions:
Which user have direct involvment with this car?
RCWhite
I am not inclined to drag other people and businesses into this. His dishonesty doesn’t warrant innocent parties being dragged into this
And what involvement is that?
He owned it, modified it, blew it up, got it running (badly) then sold it to the dealer!!
Again more lies, this is based on fictional information he claims to have received.
Few additional points I missed out as I only just got access to my old laptop containing all this information.
I guess this wasn’t the response you was expecting?
http://lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=386116
You have put up a report claiming it is from the first specialist, however a detailed report was never given by the first specialist………..blatant LIE
You also accused me of accusing RCM of lying to you again this is another blatant LIE.
The great thing is, I have all this evidence in e-mails from you to prove you are LYING!!!
1) You claimed the engine died on the 14/08/2010 and it was picked up and taken to your house. Where you and your home taught mechanic GTRCrook diagnosed the car and found it was low on compression.
2) It then takes you twelve days to decide to ring the garage (Not on the weekend of the failure or the weekend after as you claim in your original post on the first page of this thread) that previously maintained the car and ask them what you already knew on the 26/08/2010 at 3.30 . However you claim they told you it has already had an engine change ………this is a LIE.
So again you demonstrate your dishonesty by claiming one of the biggest tuning outfits told you something they did NOT!!
3) You then decide to ring me and tell me the engines blown I asked you a few questions one being……. have you been on any track days or sprints to which you reply “NO”.
Again this is another LIE as now you admit going to the ring and doing 6 slow laps.
If you had nothing to hide why did you try and cover this up?
Luckily for me one of the threads had a post reply with your original quote had that not been there I would have been none the wiser.
You expect me and everyone else to believe you went to the ring and drove around nice and slowly........are you for real? Again you demonstrate your ability to twist the truth.
4) Why if there was an issue with the car was it not taken to a garage, but instead to your home address where it sat for four weeks where you and GTRCROOK diagnosed the car?
5) You then asked the first specialist to come out and diagnose the car in your shed on the 17/09/2010 four weeks after the initial problem. Which revealed low compression on one of the cylinders and two different grades of spark plugs. It then took you another Month to transport the car to the said garage on the 14/10/2010 however on the receipt it’s not your home address?????
6) Ross told me the engine would be stripped within the week. Whilst waiting for the engine to be stripped I offered to replace the engine with a new spec c engine to which he declined and stated he wanted a rebuild……..?
7) Things went quite and I did not hear from Ross for over 2 months. I assumed they found the issue and it had nothing to do with the rebuild. You claim you have e-mails and phone call logs of some sort it would be great to see them.
8) After contacting me I was told the engine would be going elsewhere and that no inspection of the engine had been carried out other than that of the diagnoses. The first specialist was asked to take pictures of the block and problem areas. Which he apparently done. However upon request of this information Ross’s response was “I know what you want and he hasn’t got it” ……….? Again the attention was diverted away from Ross and Specialist number 1 become one of the worse garages to deal with ………..yet Ross has been using them for years?????
A trend is beginning to set here when things don’t go the right way the liability is shifted?
9) The engine was taken from specialist 1 by Ross in the boot of his ford focus . Ross claims he drove straight to specialist no 2 again another LIE it took two days.
10) I rang the 2nd specialist to ask when it would be stripped, he was unaware the car had been else where and I was told to deal with Ross as specialist no 2 had nothing to do with the situation which is fair enough.
11) After the report was done I was a little dumb founded, but decided to take it on the chin as it was the first time I had ever gone down the engine rebuild route. I again offered to supply Ross with a new spec c engine, which he refused. I found it odd given that you had said it was a “ltd edition spec c” and you want it back to its original state. (am glad you never accepted)
I was given a list of parts , bill and agreed to reimburse him. The cost of the rebuild was over £5k. At this point I thought he was taking advantage of the situation and declined and offered to supply the engine. Again he refused and threatened legal action.
I never heard from his solicitor and got an e-mail of him saying” I have spoken to my solicitor and have been advised to accept the offer of an engine”. By this time I am aware of his track days/ring trip & engine No and the rest of it and withdrew my offer.
Funny enough you have gone down the 2.1 route why not stick to the “special edition spec c” 2.0 ?
In attempt to be proactive. Question to be posed:
Originally Posted by Juggers
What warranty was given or implied?
I was told 1 week (I know legally it's 3 months).
“1 week” pmsl!!!
Did the buyer have the car inspected?
No - The car had under 11k miles on the clock, the trader had imported it himself, sold it to a forum member RCWhite, then bought it back and sold it to me - why would I even consider that the engine had been changed TWICE in 11k miles!?!? My old WRX completed 90kmiles without many issues, why would a Spec C have issues at 11kmiles??? Thought the trader was a reputable trusted dealer - how wrong was I!!!
No however him and his mate had a good look over the car
If so by whom?
N/A
Did the buyer ask if the engine had been rebuilt?
The car was advertised and sold as an ORIGINAL 11kmile Spec-C, why would I think the engine had been rebuilt after 2-3 weeks of PM's, emails and phone calls??? - Read the project thread!!!
No he did not however I was upfront and honest with him and he was made aware that there were engine issues and they were diagnosed and rectified.
Was the engine mapped for use in the UK?
Was modified by RCM and mapped by Bob Rawle by the previous owner RCWhite (Dean Woodward) - Read the project thread!!!
The car was mapped by Bob Rawle
Was it used on a race track?
Done 6 SLOW laps of the ring (I don't know the ring and as a result it was driven VERY cautiously) - I've done many trackdays and it was not driven at ANY time near track speeds, as already mentioned, I completed 90kmiles in my old modified WRX which I drove to the ring on 3 occasions and completed 11 or 12 trackdays in - why would a Spec C (which was develpoed at the ring) have any problems being driven SLOWLY around the ring??
So why lie and tell me the car had not been on a track day or sprinted And edit your threads to cover up the fact that you had been on track days and to the Nurburgring.
The above statement only demonstrates another attempt to dumb down your OWN involvement in the destruction of your engine and to divert any responsibility onto a third party. How can you expect me or anyone else to believe you went to the ring and drove around the ring as tho it was a Sunday drive
If so, did it have its service regime and oil grade altered to cope with the
above extreme operating conditions.
Mocom checked the car over and changed all fluids including engine oil/filter, gearbox oil and diff oil for good quality Motul 300V before going to the ring - I have the invoice.
Was the seller not given the opertunity to look at the car and rectify the fault from the outset?
He had plenty of chances and offers to come look at the car but declined, legally it is my right to take it to a specialist of my choice in agreement with the dealer, which was done - He was not taking the car AND having my money, Manchester is a long way from Essex - Read the project thread!!!
Complete bollocks, Ross was adamant the car stayed with him and refused any inspection on my behalf however we come to the agreement that he would take it to "a garage of his choice" to which I agreed. Ross sang praises for this garage and that he would not take his cars anywhere else
Why did the first garage not strip/diagnose/quote/repair the engine?
Mocom carried out a compression test and took the engine out, found the issues stated in the projects thread on a first look basis - Read the projects thread!!!
I spoke to the garage and was told a compression test was carried out. A couple of the cyliders were low on compression and the main cause of failure was down to the wrong spark plug.
I asked for the engine to be stripped and further inspected and to forward me a cost for a rebuild
Is this garage still operating?
Just!
Yes
Why did it take so long for it to get to the second garage?
Mocom had a family member pass away, this was relayed to the dealer who was kept up to date on the progress/problems - Read the project thread!!!
Ross said it would only take a week then it went quite all of a sudden
I assumed they stripped the engine and that they had found the cause of the failure and it had nothing to do with me.
Upon being taken to the second garage, was complete or in a basket case when the second garage recieved it (i.e already in bits)?
The engine was complete when the second specialist recieved it, I took it off the engine stand at Mocom (YES IT WAS THE SAME ENGINE THAT WAS SOLD WITH THE CAR!!!!) and put it in the boot of my Focus and drove it straight to the second specialist - Read the project thread!!!
So you and GTRcrook put an engine into the back of your focus and drove it straight to the 2nd garage......... Are you sure about that surely both garages can supply the dates
Why wasn't the new engine not built like for like?
Isn't that my choice??? The car had been off the road for months by this time, the dealer totally shafted me so I decided to get it built properly and of a better standard - Read the project thread!!!
I offered to replace the engine with a new spec c engine to which he refused however he had repeatedly stated that he wanted like for like. He never had any intention of going for a standard build!!!
What diffenece in price is this from a standard engine?
Depends if you mean a second hand pile of cr4p of unknown quantity or a brand new Subaru JDM engine - Subaru quoted me over £5k for new imported parts to repair/replace the engine 'like for like', the car is a limited edition Spec-C, I paid a lot of money to purchase the best one I could get from a 'so called' reputable dealer, I'm not sticking any old pile of cr4p in it!! Who in their right mind would buy it if I ever try to sell up!?!? - The dealer obviously didn't seem to have a problem with doing this though!!
If the above is true why would you refuse a new spec c engine? And why would you go for a 2.1 build now????????????
What was the cause of the second engine failure?
It was a pile of **** built by a retard - Read the project thread!!!
Only Ross and GtrCrook know the answer to that
Has this been rectified?
Yes, with no help from the dealer!! - Read the project thread!!!
funny enough is not the same spec engine you were trying to bill me for is it?
Would this fault be noticeable to the driver before it manifested in total failure?
I would have thought so, but evidently not, the engine felt fine to me (7.5years and 90kmiles experiance of
Scoobs!) and no CEL light ever came up - Read the project thread!!!
The engine felt fine because it was a proper engine!!! I find it hard to believe you would get 7k miles doing track days and the Nurburging running 370bhp/410 ltb on wrx internals??????
How would the seller be expected to notice it BEFORE failure (symptoms) ?
The dealer admitted to buying the car with a faulty engine and getting the engine rebuilt "spent £2k changing the pistons" but never told me before or during the sale! - Read the project thread!!!
That’s bollocks you was aware of the issue as you contacted RCM before you bought the car!! Your statement above only demonstrates your dishonesty once again and the attempt to divert any responsibility away from yourself.
And if diagnosable prior to total failure, what precaution should a seller take to check for this?
How do I answer this?? The dealer deliberately brought a Spec C with a knackered engine, he then 'fixed' it on the cheap and sold it on as an immaculate and 'original' car, he knew what he had done, was doing and will probably do again, yet was totally happy to shaft me and charge me top dollar for a car with a shagged engine built by monkies - Read the project thread!!!
He was fully aware of what he was buying.
Are there any other items on the car other than the engine that are of in need of attention?
Battery died the day after I got it home - this was mentioned during the purchase as it needed a jump start for the test drive. Front disks had big lips on them which only lasted around 500miles.
Were these outlined by the seller?
The battery was but he reckoned it would be okay after driving the 300 odd miles home - I on the other hand used to be an electrician and knew otherwise, this was proved the very next morning when it wouldn't turn over!
Further questions:
Is the seller private or trade?
Dealer - Read the prject thread!!!
Who imported the car?
The same dealer originally imported it!
Has the car been used in the UK prior to the sale
If so, by whom and for how long.
Yes, RCWhite
Yes by the previous owner
What fuel/ignition map did the engine have prior to sale?
Ask Bob Rawle
Original map by Bob Rawle
When was the first engine rebuilt?
The previous owner would not respond to my contacts, the dealer is STILL lying, I was told by RCM that whaen it blew up, RCWhite took it 'elsewhere' to get it repaired - no one will tell me where it went, what engine was fitted or what was done/fixd/bodged!!
This is another one of your concocted lies, and am not to sure that RCM would be happy with you making such claims.
The phrase "give someone enough rope and they'll hang them selfs" springs to mind
Did the builder give a warranty?
How do I know??? It was on it's second engine before I even saw it!!
Again false claims.........this gets better and better.
Yes they did.
If not, why not?
Ask the dealer, sure he will lie to you as he did to me!!
Why was it rebuilt?
As above, I have no idea!
Big end went
Was the cause of failure properly diagnosed?
As above!
Starved of oil
If so, what was the cause?
Oil leak
What components were replaced?
As above!
I was advised to change the lot Crank bearings rods pistons seals gaskets oil pump and oil cooler
Were they replaced like for like?
As above!
Yes apart from the ACL bearings
And were they new or used parts?
As above!
New
What checks were performed prior to sale?
The dealer knew it was shagged when he bought it for a cheap price, I'm sure him and his monkey mechanics didn't care what was wrong with it, they just bodged it together as cheap as possible to sell it!
The car was perfectly fine after the rebuild
And what was found from these checks?
The dealer bought it, how do I know? He won't even tell me what he 'supposedly' fixed, or who done the 'bodging'!
[COLOR="navy"] You know full well what was fixed![COLOR]
With the exception to the engine, what other work was carried out to the car?
No idea, every single breath he breathes is a lie as far as I'm concerned so why should/would I believe a thing he says!?!?!?
[COLOR="navy"]Funny enough I think the exact same about you and your posts back it up
Final questions:
Which user have direct involvment with this car?
RCWhite
I am not inclined to drag other people and businesses into this. His dishonesty doesn’t warrant innocent parties being dragged into this
And what involvement is that?
He owned it, modified it, blew it up, got it running (badly) then sold it to the dealer!!
Again more lies, this is based on fictional information he claims to have received.
Few additional points I missed out as I only just got access to my old laptop containing all this information.
I guess this wasn’t the response you was expecting?
http://lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=386116
You have put up a report claiming it is from the first specialist, however a detailed report was never given by the first specialist………..blatant LIE
You also accused me of accusing RCM of lying to you again this is another blatant LIE.
The great thing is, I have all this evidence in e-mails from you to prove you are LYING!!!
1) You claimed the engine died on the 14/08/2010 and it was picked up and taken to your house. Where you and your home taught mechanic GTRCrook diagnosed the car and found it was low on compression.
2) It then takes you twelve days to decide to ring the garage (Not on the weekend of the failure or the weekend after as you claim in your original post on the first page of this thread) that previously maintained the car and ask them what you already knew on the 26/08/2010 at 3.30 . However you claim they told you it has already had an engine change ………this is a LIE.
So again you demonstrate your dishonesty by claiming one of the biggest tuning outfits told you something they did NOT!!
3) You then decide to ring me and tell me the engines blown I asked you a few questions one being……. have you been on any track days or sprints to which you reply “NO”.
Again this is another LIE as now you admit going to the ring and doing 6 slow laps.
If you had nothing to hide why did you try and cover this up?
Luckily for me one of the threads had a post reply with your original quote had that not been there I would have been none the wiser.
You expect me and everyone else to believe you went to the ring and drove around nice and slowly........are you for real? Again you demonstrate your ability to twist the truth.
4) Why if there was an issue with the car was it not taken to a garage, but instead to your home address where it sat for four weeks where you and GTRCROOK diagnosed the car?
5) You then asked the first specialist to come out and diagnose the car in your shed on the 17/09/2010 four weeks after the initial problem. Which revealed low compression on one of the cylinders and two different grades of spark plugs. It then took you another Month to transport the car to the said garage on the 14/10/2010 however on the receipt it’s not your home address?????
6) Ross told me the engine would be stripped within the week. Whilst waiting for the engine to be stripped I offered to replace the engine with a new spec c engine to which he declined and stated he wanted a rebuild……..?
7) Things went quite and I did not hear from Ross for over 2 months. I assumed they found the issue and it had nothing to do with the rebuild. You claim you have e-mails and phone call logs of some sort it would be great to see them.
8) After contacting me I was told the engine would be going elsewhere and that no inspection of the engine had been carried out other than that of the diagnoses. The first specialist was asked to take pictures of the block and problem areas. Which he apparently done. However upon request of this information Ross’s response was “I know what you want and he hasn’t got it” ……….? Again the attention was diverted away from Ross and Specialist number 1 become one of the worse garages to deal with ………..yet Ross has been using them for years?????
A trend is beginning to set here when things don’t go the right way the liability is shifted?
9) The engine was taken from specialist 1 by Ross in the boot of his ford focus . Ross claims he drove straight to specialist no 2 again another LIE it took two days.
10) I rang the 2nd specialist to ask when it would be stripped, he was unaware the car had been else where and I was told to deal with Ross as specialist no 2 had nothing to do with the situation which is fair enough.
11) After the report was done I was a little dumb founded, but decided to take it on the chin as it was the first time I had ever gone down the engine rebuild route. I again offered to supply Ross with a new spec c engine, which he refused. I found it odd given that you had said it was a “ltd edition spec c” and you want it back to its original state. (am glad you never accepted)
I was given a list of parts , bill and agreed to reimburse him. The cost of the rebuild was over £5k. At this point I thought he was taking advantage of the situation and declined and offered to supply the engine. Again he refused and threatened legal action.
I never heard from his solicitor and got an e-mail of him saying” I have spoken to my solicitor and have been advised to accept the offer of an engine”. By this time I am aware of his track days/ring trip & engine No and the rest of it and withdrew my offer.
Funny enough you have gone down the 2.1 route why not stick to the “special edition spec c” 2.0 ?
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Originally Posted by GTR Cook
Immy,
As you have now dragged me back into this by directly saying I was involved with the diagnostics of the failure, I will respond to some (thread is long winded enough with your lies) of your comments.
Firstly I AM NOT A MECHANIC NOR DID I DO ANY KIND OF FAULT DIAGNOSING on this car- no one has implied this other than YOU. You have the receipts from the first garage for the initial inspection and the engine removal so at what point did I touch it?
You seem to be inventing things in your head so I and every one else can only assume the rest of what you say is complete rubbish.
Do you honestly expect people to believe that if you had been honest about it being rebuilt prior to sale, people would be so enraged on here?! You clearly didn’t tell the full story and only once you were found out you come clean to changing the “pistons” and spending 2K on it. That by the way was after RCM had revealed the true history of the car- go on tell me I am lying!
As for the Ring thing, I think you will find it’s a public toll road, it only becomes a race track on an organised track day. Speeds are greatly reduced because of this due to traffic.
Anyone knows that a couple of laps a year isn't enough to allow you to go more than 60% round there. Takes close to 50 laps to properly learn the corners let alone the lines. If your going to use this as an argument i suggest you know what your talking about first!
When it comes to omitting information this isn’t a drop in the ocean compared your lies about the cars history.
If tracking a Spec C is such an issue then why do you advertise the hire of such vehicles for use on trackdays?
http://www.performance-centre-manche...k/car-hire.php
You said you haven't heard from Ross's solicitor, didn’t you fail to respond to the solicitors letter asking for your solicitors details?
Hmmmm every thing you say has more holes than Swiss cheese and i am afraid by lieing your only making yourself look worse
As you have now dragged me back into this by directly saying I was involved with the diagnostics of the failure, I will respond to some (thread is long winded enough with your lies) of your comments.
Firstly I AM NOT A MECHANIC NOR DID I DO ANY KIND OF FAULT DIAGNOSING on this car- no one has implied this other than YOU. You have the receipts from the first garage for the initial inspection and the engine removal so at what point did I touch it?
You seem to be inventing things in your head so I and every one else can only assume the rest of what you say is complete rubbish.
Do you honestly expect people to believe that if you had been honest about it being rebuilt prior to sale, people would be so enraged on here?! You clearly didn’t tell the full story and only once you were found out you come clean to changing the “pistons” and spending 2K on it. That by the way was after RCM had revealed the true history of the car- go on tell me I am lying!
As for the Ring thing, I think you will find it’s a public toll road, it only becomes a race track on an organised track day. Speeds are greatly reduced because of this due to traffic.
Anyone knows that a couple of laps a year isn't enough to allow you to go more than 60% round there. Takes close to 50 laps to properly learn the corners let alone the lines. If your going to use this as an argument i suggest you know what your talking about first!
When it comes to omitting information this isn’t a drop in the ocean compared your lies about the cars history.
If tracking a Spec C is such an issue then why do you advertise the hire of such vehicles for use on trackdays?
http://www.performance-centre-manche...k/car-hire.php
You said you haven't heard from Ross's solicitor, didn’t you fail to respond to the solicitors letter asking for your solicitors details?
Hmmmm every thing you say has more holes than Swiss cheese and i am afraid by lieing your only making yourself look worse
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