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04 May 2011, 09:08 PM
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Oh yeah you forgot the Mossad involvement, you know the Israeli guys spotted on phones 'controlling' the attack from a nearby building.
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04 May 2011, 09:36 PM
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the conspiracy theorists are, in the main crackpots and delusional -- you can’t reason people out of an unreasonable position.
Their theories gain a foothold – in part due to the “instant news” coverage, which inevitably leads to minor inconsistencies in the initial reporting getting amplified out of all proportion. In fact the opposite is the case, it is off course absurd to think that all the “facts” surrounding a massive event like 9/11 fall easily in to place – immediately. Life does not work like that, but the more you research and investigate the more the facts become clear. And in the case of 9/11 the fact is 2 hijacked planes (by islamic terrorists) hit the 2 towers and caused them to collapse
However we must never be complacent and as Eisnehower famously said in his last speech as President (US president and Commander of Allied Forces in WW11)
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
Their theories gain a foothold – in part due to the “instant news” coverage, which inevitably leads to minor inconsistencies in the initial reporting getting amplified out of all proportion. In fact the opposite is the case, it is off course absurd to think that all the “facts” surrounding a massive event like 9/11 fall easily in to place – immediately. Life does not work like that, but the more you research and investigate the more the facts become clear. And in the case of 9/11 the fact is 2 hijacked planes (by islamic terrorists) hit the 2 towers and caused them to collapse
However we must never be complacent and as Eisnehower famously said in his last speech as President (US president and Commander of Allied Forces in WW11)
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
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04 May 2011, 09:40 PM
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I never said I believe September 11th to be a conspiracy.
You presumed it. All I'm saying is that there is a significant lobby that suggest that there were a lot of unexplained events. In the case of invading Iraq under the pretext of war on terror who was set to gain? Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney and Rice. The one decent bloke in their midst was soon displaced, Colin Powell.
http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp
In response to TDW BTW.
You presumed it. All I'm saying is that there is a significant lobby that suggest that there were a lot of unexplained events. In the case of invading Iraq under the pretext of war on terror who was set to gain? Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney and Rice. The one decent bloke in their midst was soon displaced, Colin Powell. http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp
In response to TDW BTW.
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04 May 2011, 09:43 PM
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the conspiracy theorists are, in the main crackpots and delusional -- you can’t reason people out of an unreasonable position.
Their theories gain a foothold – in part due to the “instant news” coverage, which inevitably leads to minor inconsistencies in the initial reporting getting amplified out of all proportion. In fact the opposite is the case, it is off course absurd to think that all the “facts” surrounding a massive event like 9/11 fall easily in to place – immediately. Life does not work like that, but the more you research and investigate the more the facts become clear.
However we must never be complacent and as Eisnehower famously said in his last speech as President (US president and Commander of Allied Forces in WW11)
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
Their theories gain a foothold – in part due to the “instant news” coverage, which inevitably leads to minor inconsistencies in the initial reporting getting amplified out of all proportion. In fact the opposite is the case, it is off course absurd to think that all the “facts” surrounding a massive event like 9/11 fall easily in to place – immediately. Life does not work like that, but the more you research and investigate the more the facts become clear.
However we must never be complacent and as Eisnehower famously said in his last speech as President (US president and Commander of Allied Forces in WW11)
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
04 May 2011, 09:45 PM
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I never said I believe September 11th to be a conspiracy. You presumed it. All I'm saying is that there is a significant lobby that suggest that there were a lot of unexplained events. In the case of invading Iraq under the pretext of war on terror who was set to gain? Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney and Rice. The one decent bloke in their midst was soon displaced, Colin Powell.
http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp
In response to TDW BTW.
You presumed it. All I'm saying is that there is a significant lobby that suggest that there were a lot of unexplained events. In the case of invading Iraq under the pretext of war on terror who was set to gain? Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney and Rice. The one decent bloke in their midst was soon displaced, Colin Powell. http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp
In response to TDW BTW.
It's a demagogic device common in the ME.
Sharks attack tourists in Egypt? Who gains? Oh yeah Israel! Must have been mossad radio controlled sharks!
I'm not joking in was in the Egyptian press!
04 May 2011, 09:47 PM
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Eisenhowers speech was just a classic libertarian warning against the dangers of big government, but it's been interpreted as this warning about an evil, omnipotent, sinister, nexus called the 'military industrial complex'. You could call it the Illuminai, whatever bogey man you want to suit the paranoid political agenda....it's all the same.
04 May 2011, 09:47 PM
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Yes but the 'who gains' line of reasoning is a flawed logic to explain events.
It's a demagogic device common in the ME.
Sharks attack tourists in Egypt? Who gains? Oh yeah Israel! Must have been mossad radio controlled sharks!
I'm not joking in was in the Egyptian press!
It's a demagogic device common in the ME.
Sharks attack tourists in Egypt? Who gains? Oh yeah Israel! Must have been mossad radio controlled sharks!
I'm not joking in was in the Egyptian press!
04 May 2011, 09:49 PM
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How has the US government kept quiet this conspiracy which has been going on for more than a century? In your opinion of course?
....and your realise all you 'evidence' such as the 'thermited columns' is disputed by experts some of whom are not just far right youtube video makers? How many demolition jobs do you know of that have used thermite?
...and yes you use classic leaps of logic and demagoguery such as throwing in undisputed facts to give plausibility to your 'grand narrative'. Most historians agree the Lucitania did have weapons OB but then there was a war on! A massive conspiracy does not follow from that fact.
It's really amazing you subscribe to this scapagoating narrative.
....and your realise all you 'evidence' such as the 'thermited columns' is disputed by experts some of whom are not just far right youtube video makers? How many demolition jobs do you know of that have used thermite?
...and yes you use classic leaps of logic and demagoguery such as throwing in undisputed facts to give plausibility to your 'grand narrative'. Most historians agree the Lucitania did have weapons OB but then there was a war on! A massive conspiracy does not follow from that fact.
It's really amazing you subscribe to this scapagoating narrative.
as for the thermite . look it up in fact google it its used in just about every single sky scraper demolition to take out the main steel frame , otherwise it wouldnt almost freefall to the ground law of physics states it would lean then colapse . tower 1 took 10.2seconds to colapse , if you dropped a bowling ball from the top it would take 8.1seconds to hit the ground . here you are as you are so clever EXPLAIN BUILDING 7 THEN CIA HQ A PLANE NEVER EVEN HIT IT (FACT NOT FICTION ) WHILE you are at it explain the 930million dollars worth of gold in vaults under the towers only 230million was reported found , the rest for your info was in tunnells underground in lorries before during and after the strikes surrounded by mib , this was stated by loads of ny fire crew who where not allowed to use the tunnells
04 May 2011, 09:59 PM
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they havent bothered to keep it quiet have they , in fact just called everyone liars apart from themselves
as for the thermite . look it up in fact google it its used in just about every single sky scraper demolition to take out the main steel frame , otherwise it wouldnt almost freefall to the ground law of physics states it would lean then colapse . tower 1 took 10.2seconds to colapse , if you dropped a bowling ball from the top it would take 8.1seconds to hit the ground . here you are as you are so clever EXPLAIN BUILDING 7 THEN CIA HQ A PLANE NEVER EVEN HIT IT (FACT NOT FICTION ) WHILE you are at it explain the 930million dollars worth of gold in vaults under the towers only 230million was reported found , the rest for your info was in tunnells underground in lorries before during and after the strikes surrounded by mib , this was stated by loads of ny fire crew who where not allowed to use the tunnells
as for the thermite . look it up in fact google it its used in just about every single sky scraper demolition to take out the main steel frame , otherwise it wouldnt almost freefall to the ground law of physics states it would lean then colapse . tower 1 took 10.2seconds to colapse , if you dropped a bowling ball from the top it would take 8.1seconds to hit the ground . here you are as you are so clever EXPLAIN BUILDING 7 THEN CIA HQ A PLANE NEVER EVEN HIT IT (FACT NOT FICTION ) WHILE you are at it explain the 930million dollars worth of gold in vaults under the towers only 230million was reported found , the rest for your info was in tunnells underground in lorries before during and after the strikes surrounded by mib , this was stated by loads of ny fire crew who where not allowed to use the tunnells
I don't know enough about Thermite but as I understand it Thermite has never been used to demolish an entire building. But I guess you watched a youtube video so it must be true?
04 May 2011, 10:11 PM
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So the idea that just because the US 'benefited' from Iraq because of 9/11 does not in itself prove a conspiracy.
04 May 2011, 10:13 PM
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04 May 2011, 10:24 PM
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So who has come fwd and blow the whistle on this conspiracy? It's getting vaster by the minute! Now you are talking about armies of truck drivers removing gold! Yet nobody has come fwd or offered any concrete evidence! How do you keep a lid on a conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands! Clinton could not even get a blow job in the Oval office without the entire world knowing and that only involved two parties!
I don't know enough about Thermite but as I understand it Thermite has never been used to demolish an entire building. But I guess you watched a youtube video so it must be true?
I don't know enough about Thermite but as I understand it Thermite has never been used to demolish an entire building. But I guess you watched a youtube video so it must be true?
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04 May 2011, 10:27 PM
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it proves one thing she would profit from a war if the arms companies where suppling the us army as the share price would go up as would the divi on her shares . and dont forget the federal bank owned by the five big banking families they loan every dollar spent and printed to the us goverment repayable with intrest
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Have a read here madscoob, explains a lot about thermite.
All facts in how it works right down to proving every theory regarding it being used.
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
All facts in how it works right down to proving every theory regarding it being used.
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
04 May 2011, 10:49 PM
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to be fair to you thermite is used to melt /cut hardened steel the girders are then cut at a angle to allow colapse .of the concrete outer structure the steel used in construction of the towers was capable of withstanding 2000degres for hours not 18minutes of 1500degres the maxium temp av gas will burn at when refueled with both air and av gas at pressure not std atmosferick pressure , as for the keeping a lid on it they havent have they they have just denied it at every question , just in case you wondered thermite is made up of aluminum oxide and iron ignited by a magnesium fuse which burns at 2200degres from memory , the explosions can be seen on video during the colapse popping out from the building . these are more simple a bit like quarry explosions cordite or c4 . holes drilled then creating almost a implosion several feet into the concrete structure
I though a more simple explanation (not involving vast conspiracies) for the 'explosions' was just air venting as floors and lift shafts imploded?
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it proves one thing she would profit from a war if the arms companies where suppling the us army as the share price would go up as would the divi on her shares . and dont forget the federal bank owned by the five big banking families they loan every dollar spent and printed to the us goverment repayable with intrest
So if the US government and banks were making all this money by going to war, how did the the recession start in the US?
Or am I missing something?