JonMc

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Full sets generally seem to come in around the £700 mark with standard pads/discs. I'll be going for a Brembo rear set-up to complement whatever I put up front, but instantly I need £100+ for the oversize handbrake shoes. Front calipers alone cost about £450, add on to that discs and pads and the k-sports become much more economical, unless you happen across a bargain.

JAutos

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Im currently sourcing a manufacturer for the conversion shoes. Its a painstaking task as im going to have to order loads of stock but il still come in well below current prices they are going at.

JonMc

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I'll keep an eye out then, will they be a single piece of friction material or a second piece layered over the material on standard shoes?

JAutos

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Single piece as the second layered ones have a bad reputation so i will stay clear of those. Although the second layer ones are fine IMHO.

People who sell single piece ones claim the 2 layer ones are poor quality and fall apart but i can see a problem with their claim,

1. The second layer is bonded with the same adhesive as the first layer and the same adhesive as all shoes are bonded with so if the second layer will fall off then so will every shoe ever made as they are all bonded with the same stuff. Its their way of trying to eliminate competition.

2. Is they are poor qaulity material for conveyor belts etc. Also this is irrelavent also as who uses there handbrake to brake with. As far as im aware we all have discs and pads for that. The handbrake holds a stationary car there has no heat build up at all.

Heat may transfer from the discs and pads wont be sufficient on the rear to create a problem either.

BUT AGAIN IM AM SOURCEING ONE PIECE ONES AS IT SAVES EXPLAINING THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN LOL.

JonMc

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I had heard the same stories regarding the two-piece, but what you say makes sense. As far as I am concerned, if it comes with a warranty then I'd be happy, especially based upon your explaination.

spanner monkey

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https://www.scoobynet.com/full-cars-...tuner-etc.html

Could be what your after here

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Exactly what I'm after but promised to Type 22

spanner monkey

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Bugger, didn't see that

mickywrx

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These any good for you, Jon;

http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=34;t=002974

JonMc

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I've pretty much written off the idea of brembos unless they come with PF discs and pads. £500 plus £750-800 for a PF set up is Stoptech money and a lot more than k-sports

Paul&bon

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Have a look at this thread I started when I was looking for brakes. There was a guy called "adge" selling a set of Black AP 6 Pots(CP5700) with good 330mm disc's and new DS2500 pads for £1000. You never know he may still have them.

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...re-better.html

MrNoisy

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I'm currently thinking along the same lines as you Jon.
Just had mine re-mapped and whilst it's only making 272/290 it's enough to make me think the standard setup is woefully inadequate after a few repeated late braking hard stops!

I've been offered a good price on a Brembo setup, but it's the fitment issue that's putting me off as well as I have a dedicated set of winter wheels on OEM WRX alloys.
Trouble is the K-Sports are about £850 inc. blue stuffs for the 330mm kit.
Decisions decisions.

There are Tarox packages around too but the lack of endorsement by any other members on here is putting me off - they seem to be viewed as more of a bling accessory than a good functional bit of kit.

JonMc

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I'm sitting tight at the moment as I don't think the car will get much use for a couple of months with work being as it is. Whilst £850 (£900 was the best price I'd had) seems a lot for k-sports, Brembos on OE pads and discs are only a limited improvement over the 4-pots. If you want to get spirited in your driving, or go on track days, you'll need an upgrade of pads and discs which will take into, and maybe even beyond, k-sport money.

stef_2010

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I'm in basically the exact same position just now, I'm also pretty unsure what to go for

So is it the general feeling that keeping the 4 pots but having good pads and discs would still be no good for spirited driving/trackdays ?

There was (might still be) someone on here selling front brembos, ebc grooved discs and redstuff pads (pads and disc new) for £600

JonMc

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He offered them to me, but I'm not a huge fan of the EBC stuff. I'd still end up replacing them with something that was a better compromise between pure track use (a la Redstuff) and some fast road use.

MrNoisy

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I'd probably go with EBC blue stuff as I'm hearing really good reviews at the moment both on here and from mates who are running them, but yes Ian doesn't seem to rate the Brembos much either.
It may have to be K-Sport then...

JonMc

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I know Ian has commented a few times on how soft the Brembos are, and how often he gets them in with damaged threads and bleed nipples.

I've been looking at the bluestuff too, as they seem to be a good compromise between fast road and track and at half the price of DS2500 or PF pads for the same set-up.

JAutos

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The brembo's are softer than the 4 pots due to the nature of what they are (aluminium)

The main part of the problem maybe that these bolts are often incorrectly over-tightened to 114ft.lb. of torque, whereas they only need to be fastened to 80 ft.lb. This will inevitably pull out / damage the threads.

Now brembos calipers cant be blamed for a poor knowledge of their fitment/torque settings. as long as the set you buy are ok, then you dont overtighten things your ok

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Very true, but that lack of expert knowledge means that if someone has done a DIY job you are more likely to get a duff set.

Godspeed Brakes

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Hi
I don't think the Brembo's are poor , far from it , with a good disc and pad they are very good , but I think my 335mm kit is better.

Thread problems with these calipers are not generally down to the calipers themselves , we have found that the caliper bolts bolting them to the hubs have been overtightened in the factory that can damage the threads , and bolts that are poorly made or zinc plated that damages the threads either when the bolts are fitted or taken out.

Bleed nipple threads being damaged are usually down to people overtightening them

Cheers Ian

mickywrx

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IIRC, most of the problems with Brembo's being over tightened actually occurs at the factory.

Damn fat fingers, Ian posted as I was typing.

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Oh well, blows holes in my argument

Not saying it doesn't work, but your 335mm kit just doesn't look right with the size of the pads inside the calipers, might be a bit fickle but I'd rather have something that looks like a more thought through package

JonMc

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Out of curiosity, do brembos use the same brake lines as WRX 4-pots or do I need to swap any of these, specifically the rears, if I upgrade

mickywrx

iTrader: (29)

Yup, when I swapped my brakes, 2 pot front and 1 pot rear, to the newage WRX setup I didn't change my brake lines.

I was also advised by Alyn that I wouldn't need to change them if fitting Brembo's like I was going to.

stockcar

personally think you'll find if you start to run hard on t/days, etc. you will be running into more disc problems with the aftermarket kit that putting saya set of Performance Friction 2pce discs on the STi Brembo caliper..............

if your talking AP or whatever then different story

alyn

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

So running some Brembos, albeit with standard or mildly uprated pads and discs, and then upgrading to some PF discs and better pads would be a better long-term solution than k-sports.

If I could afford APs or Stoptechs then that's a different ball park.

And to confirm the Brembos use the same brake lines as the newage WRX brakes.

stockcar

yes they use exactly the same lines..........

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

Cheers Alyn

mickywrx

iTrader: (29)

Ah so that's how it is, you'll believe Alyn, but not what Alyn told me.

I'll remember that, but, in the mean time how about these brakes, Sir?

Shiny Brembo's

Or this thread also; http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimateb...=002932#000000

JonMc

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Just getting a second opinion

As for the brakes, perfect in every way except the price

Unless - 2, 9, 17, 24, 37, 44