What are thought leaders ?

I should be surprised if anyone in 02 puts any 'thought' into stuff

 

Keep digging your deep hole Jack

Tony

 

I've spoken at conferences and discussed in person with some very knowledgeable staff at O2, regarding mobile malware - both before and after the current crop of Smartphones - there are of course dim wits in every company.

 

Good job they didnt employ you then Jack

As you still have no idea what I do (and im not even going to be bothered wasting my breath on it as it would baffle you tbh) you should think that you just have a phone, I deal with much, much more than you could imagine, keep the digs coming, im really enjoying watching you squirm

Tony

 

ENOUGH! Will the pair of you (f1_fan & JackClark) give it a fecking rest. You are both trolling / baiting, and have been doing so for a while. Don't give me any crap about "not trolling, am giving my opinion" if you think that you're very, very dim, you both know exactly what you're up to.

It's obvious I'm an Apple fanboy, and when someone is stating complete and utter tosh fact wise, I'll probably pipe up, otherwise I'll try and answer tech questions, or give an honest opinion on a subject, but I'll no troll about it. If I put up a post about some new Apple OS / Product, I'm not going to then add some tosh about "how's that feel <insert other platform / os > owners? Apple's changing the game again". It's boring and childish.

I have reported posts to the mods and stated that you are both as bad as each other and perhaps a private word in your ears about backing off might be in order. I mention this only so as not to appear snide and doing it behind anyone's back (granted I reported the posts a day or so ago, but I've been busy)

 

Oh thank you for your amateur psycho-analysis. Take a look at your own sad little posts before you criticise. And how come you are so stupid as to post this on a thread where I haven't been involved. What a moron You give it a rest OK?

 

Who cares about iOS..... this thread seeing who has the biggest **** is even better!

Common you bitches!

 

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+1

 

Spot on

 

+3

 

+4

Thats a subtle hint that somebody needs to take heed of Marcus's post.

 

Somebody singular? Or both of us? Serious question btw?

 

+5

 

I say ban them both

 

Er... this means YOU Jack!

 

F1_fan

Look just give it a rest would you. It is obvious you bring little to this section , be it technical or otherwise. I cant even remember the last time you posted some helpful information. All you seem to do is to post on every thread Jack does or other related Apple threads.
It is plain to see that you have an issue with Jack and he is just as bad as you to be frank. There is a fine line between friendly banter and differing opinions but you two just degenerate into childish spats.

This place would be a far better place if you just agreed to ignore each other.

 

Thanks for your input. While you are happy to see Apple lauded as the next coming I just want to point out to people (through my own experiences with their devices) that Jack is oiften wrong before someone makes the mistake I did and believes the hype.

If you think I bring little to the section then so be it, but as another Apple fan you are hardly likely to enjoy my posts. My honest opinion is that the likes of you and Jack bring little to the whole forum quite frankly. Just my personal opinion and one I would have kept to myself without you feeling the need to get personal, but there you go.

So now we know where we stand. Have a nice weekend!

P.S. The last time I tried to help put with technical advice (in Photography) I got told I didn't know what I was talking about by someone who should have known better. Since then I keep my knowledge to myself as why waste time with people who think they know everyhting which brings us nicely back to where we started.

 

So F1 Fan.... have I "made a mistake and believed the hype" from purchasing a 3gs and now the 4, without any major issues (certainly nothing in reference to any other phone I have owned over the past 22yrs) experienced so far?

I'm not a fan-boy but I appreciate something that does everything I need and does it well (imo). Until I FINALLY bought an iPhone I thought they were a piece of ****..... that was until I actually used one.

It's similar with Windows vs Apple. Windows 7 does everything I want it to do and well imo, why do or should I consider changing if I am very happy.

I don't give a **** who makes something as long as it does the job I want it to.

Genuine question with no motive.

 

Shaun, I think one of the issues here is that you couldnt put a bad word towards apple as they are god, do nothing wrong and make the best phone on the market.
Of course I disputed this, they dont make the best phone on the market, actually the software thats designed to enable the MS to do its basic functions is pretty **** as phones go, as a device for apps its probably the best on the market for now, but its still a buggy piece of cr@p when it comes to apple trying to (well not even trying really) sort out issues with their software.
When you cant even get the basics right like being able to switch between 2 and 3g (or vice versa) and that took about 18 months to sort out, then your software basically breaks one of your handsets because its just too much for it then as your handset is out of warranty you have to pay apple £150 quid to get it sorted.... great!
Plus its a very network hungry MS (though I dont know this according to some people, im just a lowly minion in a telecommunications company who has in his 25yrs doing telecoms done nothing exterodinary, oh except one very small thing thats not really worth mentioning that happened back on 31st December 1996, wasnt even history changing....).
Having the 2 iphones (a 3gs and a 4) they do the job, my n95 made better calls and texts and had much better battery life though it didnt really have the same capabilities of the iphone, and the Iphone 3 was really when smartphones took off, it changed the market as it just outsold any of its competitors by over 5 to 1, if not more....

As for IOS4.3, as ive already said, let it come out, give it 2 weeks and then if there are no complaints I will put it on my iphone 4, my 3gs will stick at IOS 4.0 as anything above this seems to cause "issues" to them, and I dont really fancy getting charged £150 by apple to fix something they did in the first place.

Tony

 

OK.... your personal "issues" aside

Unless someone has owned ALL phones they can never say that phone A is the best, and even that could be subjective. So let's forget about that argument for the time being (although that will rage on forever).

I used to use (still have) the N95 (both standard and 8gb versions) and I would never switch to anything else until recently (early last year). This was a big move for me and a leap in my own world. The N95 did everything (at the time) what I wanted it to, but it certainly had it's "issues". I was told I was stuck in the 90's and needed to release my fears and "do it". I resisted, but finally bought a 3gs. Quite frankly it is the best phone I have ever owned.

I then upgraded to the 4 last year and whilst no leap ahead of the 3gs, it is better for me.

I have never (and my other half has the 3gs now) had any major issues with the 3gs. Occasionally it has dropped the signal, but only very occasionally. It is on 4.2.

Whilst I would never say my phone is the best, it certainly provides me with everything (and more) that I need out of a phone. I am no phone nerd, I am just a person that uses a phone every day for a couple of main uses. Calls, texts and internet browsing. The phone fits all those remits well for me.

The iPhone is not just a phone, it is a "fashion statement", a gadget and has amassed a massive following. Whether it is the best or not... it certainly seems to be THE phone to have. This is all clever marketing and design..... it's worked. The other phone manufacturers would give their right hand to be in the same position as Apple right now (I suspect).

Phones come and go and there will be another phone to take the mantle. Who or when, nobody knows.... but it will happen.

Perhaps I will move to the "next" thing in about 5yrs!

How anybody can get this bent out of shape because of a phone is beyond me.... it's quite comical when you re-read stuff on here and other forums.

 

Hi Shaun,

No worries and good question.

Firstly let me say that the iPhone is a very good phone and I am not saying otherwise. However it is not perfect despite what others may tell you, but some of that judgement comes down to how you use it of course.

Firstly and foremostly I need a phone that makes and receives calls well and secondly one that does SMS properly as I use SMS a lot with overseas suppliers.

Stupidly I kept reading how great the iPhone was and thinking that being able to add proper email, websurfing and apps to my phone usage would be great so with a bit of research (all positive) I bought a 3gs.

My first issue was signal strength and reception. My Broadband dongle and my old Nokia 6300 wuld have full signal while the iPhone struggled and then would drop the signal for no reason. This used to happen during calls and when it was just sat there. The solution was to reboot it. The problem does not afflect all 3gs models, but a fair proportion and it is an issue between losing 3G signal and swapping to GPRS.... i.e. it doesn't work half of the time.

I tried a replacement that was better but still problematic.

The second issue I have wth them is SMS. The interface is noddy IMO, but the biggest issue is a lack of SMS delivery receipts. All my Nokias have been able to do that since day 1 and to find it missing from the iPhone was a shock. I use it when SMSing overseas as about 1 in 20 SMSs get lost if being sent to the likes of Indonesia or wahtever so it is good to know the recipent has received the SMS.

Thirdly battery life. I couldn't get mor ethan a day out of my 3gs even with what I woudl call 'normal usage'. I know this is understandable up to a point, but less than a day is not good.

I will say in its defnce though that the touch screen interface, the way the phone feels and is built is genius. It is a quality product and there are a lot of good things about it.

However, for the reasons above I ditched mine and went back to the Nokia 6300 LOL! At least it can make calls and do SMS properly if little else

Recently I borrowed an iPhone4 which is much better in terms of the signal strength and reception altthough stillbehind the Nokias. When it does lose signal, it finds it again very quickly. However I do find the 'bridging the case/antenna' issue a problem. When I hold it in my left hand to write an SMS and then press send the signal as gone as I am cupping the phone right where the antenna meets the case. Intially I kept thinking I had sent the SMS only to come back later and find I hadn't. Of course I got used to it and it wasn't much of a problem, but it shouldn't be an issue with such an expensive product and Apple have to have found it in testing and obviously chose to release it anyway which I find unacceptable.

I know you can get a cover and if it was mine that is what I would do, but I shouldn't need to.

Now my other issue is that when I voiced these problems on here I got told by the Apple Fanboy brigade that basically I was lying ... these issues did not exist for them therefore they didn't exist full stop. One of them even went on some sort of 'crusade' over the signal issue even though it is now well documented and that is what really gets my back up.

I was not being deliberately derogatory about the iPhone just telling it as I find it yet get called a troll or a hater just for telling the truth. And that is where we are today. Make of that what you will.

 

OK... in my opinion your post is reasoned. You make valid points and none of them I can or would want to deny. Nothing in life is perfect!

The signal strength is not an issue for me, as in it has never caused me issues. Perhaps it is weaker, but not in a detrimental way to how I need to use my phone.

The battery life is a "bummer" and I thought it may cause me issues. However, I always have mine on USB charge when in the office (which is most of the time), so in reality is not an issue for me. If I didn't "live" like that I undoubtedly would not be happy, especially as I use my phone alot.

The SMS report is certainly missing. Was useful in some cases when I had my Nokia, but I don't have it and can certainly live without it now (for me).

Of course you are 100% right about the antenna "short" issue, but as soon as I bought my 4 I just bought a "nodder" as well. I appreciate you shouldn't have to, but you can if you want to.

Again none of this is to suggest "stop moaning", but in reality none of the "current" issues detract from what this phone provides me, which is an overall enjoyable and provides what I want, how I want.

Perhaps a HTC or whatever, would provide me the same or better experience overall.... perhaps it won't. At the end of the day it is "just" a phone and something I will never get passionate about. It's just a "tool" to me..... not like my Scoob, which certainly is a passion. But hence why I post on this kind of forum, rather than being part of a "phone" related forum.

We all have views and opinions.... that's what makes us and undoubtedly the world will carry on these kinds of debates till you and I are 6ft under.

I have just dragged these two ****'s out.... which imo where two of the best phones (i.e. real phones not multi-purpose) ever produced. In the current world of multi-function, I think certain things have taken a retrograde step.... but we can't all live in the past.

 

No worries and thanks for your reply. Yes as I said a lot of it depends how you use the phone and your posts too are well reasoned and make sense.

How nice to have a sensible exchanged over an iPhone

Like the two ****'s LOL!. Add to that this bad boy. The Nokia 6310i - 12 days between charges and could get a signal on the moon (maybe ):

 

Formfactor was a big thing for me some years back, and when the phones reduced in size, I personally think that should of been my groundhog day. Nowadays we have to use these "big clodders", however I appreciate that the "convergence" requirement does out weigh the larger formfactor issue.

In many ways Nokia were the pioneers of the phone fashion accessory.... that started off with the ultra cool 8850. I used to feel like a lottery winner everytime I got this mother out!



If you're "old" like me you will remember the Motorola Micro Tac. Now, that was a phone that started off the "real" revolution.

 

Loved the 8850 what a phone

 

Was the 8850 the phone neo used in the original matrix movie?

 

No that was the nokia 7110, I still have one floating around somewhere

Tony

 

This is the 7110, although the "Matrix" phone seemed to have an automated slider which the real version didn't.

Scratch what I said previously about NOT being a phone "nerd".... I'm obviously in denial!



As you can see by my "stash".... it was hard to move from Nokia! roflol

 

Not sure you are right there Shaun as I think yours is an 8110 which was the phone used in the Matrix but without the auto slide down cover. This is a 7110 and it had a button on the back that caused the cover to spring down Matrix stylee. I had one for a while but then the 6310i came along