27/12 RIP
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Yes, what happened happened , and nothing I can do or say will change that. There are tragedies happening all over the world a damn sight worse than 9/11 but they are not in the USA or as spectacular as the twin towers so are brushed aside.
Yes what there happened was terrible but there is no point dwelling on it.
Chip
Yes what there happened was terrible but there is no point dwelling on it.
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The people in Palestine are nothing to do with me, i am English, but if they were my people i wouldn't be spouting on here, i would be over there trying to make a difference.
In this country we had the likes of the toddpuddle martyrs or the foundation of the Labor party in the fight against oppression, this lot are incapable of that except through violence and killing.
In this country we had the likes of the toddpuddle martyrs or the foundation of the Labor party in the fight against oppression, this lot are incapable of that except through violence and killing.
The people in Palestine are nothing to do with me, i am English, but if they were my people i wouldn't be spouting on here, i would be over there trying to make a difference.
In this country we had the likes of the toddpuddle martyrs or the foundation of the Labor party in the fight against oppression, this lot are incapable of that except through violence and killing.
In this country we had the likes of the toddpuddle martyrs or the foundation of the Labor party in the fight against oppression, this lot are incapable of that except through violence and killing.
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Just being pedantic. I suppose we can all feel insulated from crap that neither affects nor interests us. I thought your comment was a little flippant but that's only my opinion. Anyhow if it weren't for the likes of the Tolpuddle Martyrs we would neither have unions(not necessarily a bad thing
) nor be able to thrash the Aussies in their own backyard.
) nor be able to thrash the Aussies in their own backyard.
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Hey, why no mention of Srebrenica back in September? far more killed there than in the middle east, or Zepa or even Bihac, you think Israel is bad but you forget about the atrocities that went on pretty much on our door step, total random shelling of civillan area's, snipers having fun, even the good old saw mill (I shall let you guess what happened there 
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1200 people, nah, nothing to what the Serbs did the the Muslims in Bosnia!
)1200 people, nah, nothing to what the Serbs did the the Muslims in Bosnia!
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If you are going to be an anti-Semite at least have some integrity and follow through you convictions....I can respect that in a round about way.
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It was the shooting of Asma Mughayar that swept away any lingering doubts I had about how it is the Israeli army kills so many Palestinian children and civilians.
Asma, 16, and her younger brother, Ahmad, were collecting laundry from the roof of their home in the south of the Gaza Strip in May last year when they were felled by an Israeli army sniper. Neither child was armed or threatening the soldier, who fired unseen through a hole punched in the wall of a neighbouring block of flats.
The army said the two were blown up by a Palestinian bomb planted to kill soldiers. The corpses offered a different account. In Rafah's morgue, Asma lay with a single bullet hole through her temple; her 13-year-old brother had a lone shot to his forehead. There were no other injuries, certainly none consistent with a blast.
Confronted with this, the army changed its account and claimed the pair were killed by a Palestinian, though there was persuasive evidence pointing to the Israeli sniper's nest. What the military did not do was ask its soldiers why they gave a false account of the deaths or speak to the children's parents or any other witnesses.
When reporters pressed the issue, the army promised a full investigation, but a few weeks later it was quietly dropped. This has become the norm in a military that appears to value protecting itself from accountability more than living up to its claim to be the "most moral army in the world".
As Tom Hurndall's parents noted yesterday after the conviction of an Israeli sergeant for the manslaughter of their son, the soldier was put on trial only because the British family had the resources to bring pressure to bear. But there has been no justice for the parents of hundreds of Palestinian children killed by Israeli soldiers.
According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, the army has killed 1,722 Palestinian civilians - more than one-third of them minors - as well as 1,519 combatants, since the intifada began nearly five years ago; the comparable Israeli figures are 658 civilians killed - 17% minors - along with 309 military. The army has investigated just 90 Palestinian deaths, usually under outside pressure. Seven soldiers have been convicted: three for manslaughter, none for murder.
Asma, 16, and her younger brother, Ahmad, were collecting laundry from the roof of their home in the south of the Gaza Strip in May last year when they were felled by an Israeli army sniper. Neither child was armed or threatening the soldier, who fired unseen through a hole punched in the wall of a neighbouring block of flats.
The army said the two were blown up by a Palestinian bomb planted to kill soldiers. The corpses offered a different account. In Rafah's morgue, Asma lay with a single bullet hole through her temple; her 13-year-old brother had a lone shot to his forehead. There were no other injuries, certainly none consistent with a blast.
Confronted with this, the army changed its account and claimed the pair were killed by a Palestinian, though there was persuasive evidence pointing to the Israeli sniper's nest. What the military did not do was ask its soldiers why they gave a false account of the deaths or speak to the children's parents or any other witnesses.
When reporters pressed the issue, the army promised a full investigation, but a few weeks later it was quietly dropped. This has become the norm in a military that appears to value protecting itself from accountability more than living up to its claim to be the "most moral army in the world".
As Tom Hurndall's parents noted yesterday after the conviction of an Israeli sergeant for the manslaughter of their son, the soldier was put on trial only because the British family had the resources to bring pressure to bear. But there has been no justice for the parents of hundreds of Palestinian children killed by Israeli soldiers.
According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, the army has killed 1,722 Palestinian civilians - more than one-third of them minors - as well as 1,519 combatants, since the intifada began nearly five years ago; the comparable Israeli figures are 658 civilians killed - 17% minors - along with 309 military. The army has investigated just 90 Palestinian deaths, usually under outside pressure. Seven soldiers have been convicted: three for manslaughter, none for murder.
You claim outrage and empathy but can't even be bothered to write your own testimony. Makes me think how much you really care.
bears no significance to me whatsoever,it wont affect any aspect of my life so i couldn't care less what happens in other countries as sad as these events are for those involved
So provide it or STFU!!!!
As for garnering your respect, why would I want something that is worthless?
I got banned for less than that.
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James I have lot of time for you mate but are you Tony's PA?
And to think you jump up and down and get all hot and bothered about Muslims seemingly objecting to this, that and the next thing.
A tad hypocritical for starters.
Secondly go and look up what it means to be anti- Semitic as you are obviously clueless.
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Oh here we go again. You have made continual libellous accusations against me on this score and despite being asked over and over again have failed to provide any proof.
So provide it or STFU!!!!
As for garnering your respect, why would I want something that is worthless?
So provide it or STFU!!!!
As for garnering your respect, why would I want something that is worthless?
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Well you would because of what you are!!!
Nope, you've lost me? Do you mean you think the 'what you are' comment refers to you being Jewish????? LOL, you couldn't be further away from the truth if you tried. Never even entered my head.
Tony, I don't even know if you are Jewish and you know what? I don't care. It makes no difference to me.
Tony, I don't even know if you are Jewish and you know what? I don't care. It makes no difference to me.
