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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 01:32 PM
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Has anyone considered that Turkey has the second largest army in NATO and has the strategic advantage of bordering Iran? Then there's the Nabucco pipeline, significant natural resources and its secular/Islamic set-up which should surely be embraced and nurtured (Turkey prohibits by law the wearing of religious headcover in government buildings, schools, and universities). A number of advantages, I'm sure you'll agree and why both the Tory and Labour leadership support its accession. On the flipside you have Sarkosy who's opposed fearing mass immigration and believing this outweighs all of the advantages. Allthough quite why anyone would want to leave a warm, spacious, democratic country is beyond me.

I've been undecided on the issue for a while, its always the spectre of a Trojan horse that stops me fully supporting accession.
Well until Turkey ceases it's illegal occupation of Cyprus I don't think any of that matters. And I hardly think Cyprus will be welcoming Turkey with welcome arms after they butchered and mutilated Cypriot soldiers

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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 01:51 PM
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
Well until Turkey ceases it's illegal occupation of Cyprus I don't think any of that matters. And I hardly think Cyprus will be welcoming Turkey with welcome arms after they butchered and mutilated Cypriot soldiers
Yep, whilst I'm not sure it negates the other points, it's certainly an issue.
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Free movement of capital and labour - which is suspected to cost the UK £40 million a day in EU payments.
So in the name if Capital we should give away a little democracy?

...ad risk democracy in the long term?
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
Well until Turkey ceases it's illegal occupation of Cyprus I don't think any of that matters. And I hardly think Cyprus will be welcoming Turkey with welcome arms after they butchered and mutilated Cypriot soldiers
From 1571 to 1925 cyprus was turkish. The british anexed it in 1925 and then the arguments started. From the turkish viewpoint they invaded after a coup by greek army officers that wanted to make cyprus greek. With out getting in too involved in the specifics I can understand turkeys reasons for invading. I can also understand why the greek cypriots are still pissed off about it. The turkish were also happy to unite the island as one again it was the Greeks who did not want this to happen.
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
From 1571 to 1925 cyprus was turkish. The british anexed it in 1925 and then the arguments started. From the turkish viewpoint they invaded after a coup by greek army officers that wanted to make cyprus greek. With out getting in too involved in the specifics I can understand turkeys reasons for invading. I can also understand why the greek cypriots are still pissed off about it. The turkish were also happy to unite the island as one again it was the Greeks who did not want this to happen.
Ah the good old Brits - where would the world be without them?
I much less interesting place for sure
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
From 1571 to 1925 cyprus was turkish. The british anexed it in 1925 and then the arguments started. From the turkish viewpoint they invaded after a coup by greek army officers that wanted to make cyprus greek. With out getting in too involved in the specifics I can understand turkeys reasons for invading. I can also understand why the greek cypriots are still pissed off about it. The turkish were also happy to unite the island as one again it was the Greeks who did not want this to happen.
Maybe we should give all the former Ottoman territories back to Turkey?

Turkey ignores UN resolutions and committed ethnic cleansing.

When it was Israel doing this the Muslim world is up in arms.

Hypocricy?
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Maybe we should give all the former Ottoman territories back to Turkey?

Turkey ignores UN resolutions and committed ethnic cleansing.

When it was Israel doing this the Muslim world is up in arms.

Hypocricy?
What ethinic cleansing did turkey commit ? None that I am aware of.
Why should cyprus be Greek ? Go look on a map and see where Cyprus is ie right by turkey and far away from Greece. Turkey was happy for Cyprus to be independant.
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
What ethinic cleansing did turkey commit ? None that I am aware of.
Why should cyprus be Greek ? Go look on a map and see where Cyprus is ie right by turkey and far away from Greece. Turkey was happy for Cyprus to be independant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish...hnic_cleansing

Why should it be Greek? How about 'cos the vast majority of the population are of Greek origin?

[pic]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnographic-1.jpg[/pic]

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I can hardly accept that the deporting of 170 thousand greeks from northern cyprus is ethnic cleansing any more than the turkish kicked out of southern cyprus was. If one side was guilty of ethinic cleansing ten both were.
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
I can hardly accept that the deporting of 170 thousand greeks from northern cyprus is ethnic cleansing any more than the turkish kicked out of southern cyprus was. If one side was guilty of ethinic cleansing ten both were.
So what is your definition of ethnic cleansing then, if not the enforced deporting of people based on ethnic origin?
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 10:34 PM
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Sorry, I would vote against Turkey being allowed in.

I would also vote for britain to leave the EU.

I dont suppose we'll get a vote for either though.
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
I can hardly accept that the deporting of 170 thousand greeks from northern cyprus is ethnic cleansing any more than the turkish kicked out of southern cyprus was. If one side was guilty of ethinic cleansing ten both were.
I'd say that deporting 170,000 Greeks from northern Cyprus is pretty much as good a definition of ethnic cleansing as you are likely to get.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there is anything right or wrong with ethnic cleansing - that is another matter all together.
Old Oct 25, 2010 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Luan Pra bang
From 1571 to 1925 cyprus was turkish. The british anexed it in 1925 and then the arguments started. From the turkish viewpoint they invaded after a coup by greek army officers that wanted to make cyprus greek. With out getting in too involved in the specifics I can understand turkeys reasons for invading. I can also understand why the greek cypriots are still pissed off about it. The turkish were also happy to unite the island as one again it was the Greeks who did not want this to happen.
Some more on this, i am a Turkish Cypriot & my family lived in Cyprus for many generations. My grandad was in the British & Turkish army & was fighting for Britain against the Germans in World war 2. For people to say & think Turks invaded Cyprus is stupid in my eyes as we we're living there already & have land/deeds in our name. Turkish Cypriots have every right to be there as much as a Greek Cypriot! The Turkish troops from Turkey only entered Cyprus to protect the people that was being slaughtered by the mafia Greek group called 'EOKA type-b'. The only solution was to divide the island. This was a success as there has been peace on the island ever since. This only happened to the island as the Greek group EOKA type-b wanted the island to be just Greek as they had a larger population then the Turks & thought they could clear out the Turks (they we're killing of helpless people eg. killed my great grandad that was working in his field!) other eg. a whole bus of Turkish people (my uncle included) went missing! The group was basically slaughtering anyone that was a Turk or Greek that didn't accept what they we're doing! The turkish troops coming over from Turkey was a God send to both Turkish & Greek Cypriots as they stopped the killings that we're happening & there has been peace ever since. This is a very touchy subject to me but i defo am not a racist to any other race or hate Greeks as my best friends are Greek Cypriots & was a best man for one of them at his wedding. What i'm saying here is the truth about one place & another fact is that the World we live in is full of many different beautiful cultures/races etc. Every type of these have their share of ar5eholes/pr1cks/pu55ys etc.
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Would you like to see Turkey in the EU? What issues, if any, do you forsee?
Old Oct 26, 2010 | 10:07 AM
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saved me a lot of writing
the majority if kebab shops you see by the way are Kurdish not Turkish a lot of them say there Turkish.

I have been to Cyprus 3 in 5 years beautiful place and the people there as genuine as u will get. in my friends wedding day he needed a haircut no one was home with no keys too. he said Mus don't worry leave the doors open will come back in a few hours and we returned to his hours in two hours noone broke in or stole anything. it's a nice pleasant place by te way that's the Turkish side in yeni bouaz ici it's village near famugosta. you never hear of pedos or murders or rapes as much as you would hear in hear. a lot of them have respect out there which something clearly some ****** lack here. I spoke to people about the war in the 70s and to be honest lot of interesting views.
Old Oct 26, 2010 | 10:21 AM
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I'm against Turkey joining the EU, mostly as it doesn't meet the entry criteria but also as it will mean more Turks heading here under the free movement banner, to an already overly full UK. It has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims, just the fact that I'm getting sick to death of the constant and unending stream of immigrants who's sole mission seems to be to get to the UK so they can cash in on our welfare support systems...
Old Oct 26, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Has anyone considered that Turkey has the second largest army in NATO and has the strategic advantage of bordering Iran? Then there's the Nabucco pipeline, significant natural resources and its secular/Islamic set-up which should surely be embraced and nurtured (Turkey prohibits by law the wearing of religious headcover in government buildings, schools, and universities). A number of advantages, I'm sure you'll agree and why both the Tory and Labour leadership support its accession. On the flipside you have Sarkosy who's opposed fearing mass immigration and believing this outweighs all of the advantages. Allthough quite why anyone would want to leave a warm, spacious, democratic country is beyond me.

I've been undecided on the issue for a while, its always the spectre of a Trojan horse that stops me fully supporting accession.
Are you expecting Iran to attack Europe soon?

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Why do you think we're in Afghanistan? - it was because we couldn't use Turkey as an airbase.
Old Oct 26, 2010 | 11:03 AM
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I hate the turks so no thanks.
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If Turkey meets the requirements for membership and the Turks want to join the EU then I can't see why they should be barred membership.
Old Oct 26, 2010 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
If Turkey meets the requirements for membership and the Turks want to join the EU then I can't see why they should be barred membership.
Last time I looked they met 1 of 35 and that about sums them up, and this morning the PM is backing them as a worthy country
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
If Turkey meets the requirements for membership and the Turks want to join the EU then I can't see why they should be barred membership.
Except for the fact they are not part of Europe.

Who next? Israel? Iraq?
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
Why do you think we're in Afghanistan? - it was because we couldn't use Turkey as an airbase.
what are we doing in Afghanistan anyway????? apart from losing innocent Lifes and money?? what does it benefit u or me?
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Iran- that's what.
Old Oct 26, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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You racist keyboard cowboys.
I am Turk!
Do you know the %73 of the population in Turkiye voted not to enter your diseased union EU. So what do you vote for?
Türkiye will keep applying some european norms but will not be a part of EU in the future. We will constitute our union in the eastern and we don't need you there.
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You racist keyboard cowboys.
I am Turk!
Do you know the %73 of the population in Turkiye voted not to enter your diseased union. So what do vote for?
Türkiye will keep applying some european norms but will not be a part of EU in the future. We will constitute our union in the eastern and we don't need you there.
The other 27% are already here scrounging away at our healthcare and welfare system, partner.
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Originally Posted by SoNiCa

You racist keyboard cowboys.
I am Turk!
Do you know the %73 of the population in Turkiye voted not to enter your diseased union EU. So what do you vote for?
Türkiye will keep applying some european norms but will not be a part of EU in the future. We will constitute our union in the eastern and we don't need you there.
PS - Sort your **** poor border security out while you're at it, there's a good chap
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most Turkish Cypriots have been here since the 70s and the majority have jobs business. If anything they contributed a lot. very rare to any of them come to my office and try and get property on benefits.

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