You don't really believe this do you??

 

Who did'nt have blood on their hands in the middle ages?

 

I wasn't talking about the middle ages

 

I will answer that question, Martyn, but before I do, could I just ask where you currently live and what exposure you've had to densely populated Muslim communities?

 

It's possible; democracy can be used to destroy democracy.

Terrorism accelerates the process with a minority leveraging the system with threat of violence, hoping the majority will buckle and grant political concessions.

 

We both know this will never happen... it's a lovely theoretical argument, but completely overwhelmed by logic

 

I live in Essex

I work in Lonon, and have serveral Muslim friends and colleagues, the relevance to this discussion is limited of course

 

Spousal rape was not considered a crime until relatively recently in many countries, England included.

 

Lol who said so? There are 5 Hadiths left by the Bukari. Google it & do some research, then re edit your post.

 

every pc ****** in the country, discuss the bad points of islam and your labelled rascist!

 

Mate what you trying to get at? Everytime your posting your basically starting a new topic. Are you demented or something

 

If you only ever want to discuss 'the bad points' on any issue, is it not fair to draw the conclusion that those views are prejudiced?

 

We already have sharia being incorporated into civil law.

You can see how the system is also trying to appease the muslim community with things like banning Wilders from showing his film etc and the effect of Iraq policy and policy towards Israel being gauged on the Muslim communities pleasure or displeasure.

 

hes getting at the fact is bradford is 90 percent muslim and it is the epitome of:

Insurance fraud


Benefit fraud

compensation fraud


illegal immigrants


******* trying to instill this sharia law bollocks

need i go on?

 

True (although I'm not at all convinced by your line on Israel), but the fundamentals have escaped your argument again

1.5 million Muslims - 60 million non-muslims

Explain how it going to happen?

 

No you do some research.

Sunni and Shia have different sets of them.

 

No Sir, I am building a picture, ably assisted by you who will not answer questions concerning the politcal relationship between Islam and politics. I'll try again.

Do you support securalism?

 

Which was precisely my point, there is no single world view of Islam, no leadership, no institutions and therefore who's controlling this Islamification conspiracy you are so convinced about?

 

Me?? Without equivocation!!

 

It's not a conspiracy, the aims of the Islamist groups are fairly transparent in the generalities at least. Like I said the largest is the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

Not all Communists agreed on doctrine (Leninists vs Trotskites?) but still they took power in the USSR.

 

An organised minority can exert power over a disorganised majority.

 

The Russian revolution was brought about by the many taking back power from the few, not the other way round (as you seem to be suggesting)

 

Hmm I was talking about the idea that a 'movement' can be fractured yet still achieve a goal, not debating if the Russian revolution was a mass movement or not, it was in fact a minority urban proletariat who took power in a largely rural country and besides it became power by an elite nomenclature.

 

Really??

When has that last happened in a democracy??

And for how long did it last???

 

your not far off from converting are you.

 

Ok. I've attached an article which I recalled from a few years back:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...hitchens200706

When I lived in Plymouth (where I also studied Politics and Sociology) I was unaware of a Muslim influence either on that city or my country. I held very liberal, tolerant views. When I returned in the summer just past, I witnessed a very different landscape. Last year the two months spent in Glasgow and the two in Slough made me feel, at times, like a foreigner in my own land. Tribal instinct? Probably. But here's the thing: I have yet to speak with a Muslim who will appose the fundamental tenets of Islamism and I view this as a threat to our way of life. The threat grows with the population.

1% radicals? Terrifying!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5621482.ece

 

Need not not apply.

I've heard the above thousands of times in most threads to do with Islam & the same could be said about any other area as crime is every where no matter who commits it. However that area is only targeted for one reason only. Never the less if 10% of that 90% is corrupted this does not mean the rest of the 80% is also corrupted.

Further more about illegal immigrants ermm you might just be living next to one who your paying for via taxes & wow what a life that immigrant has!

 

Sorry, Martin, I meant Alladin. Thank you, nonetheless, for such a clear response.

 

I'm not really sure what the point is here or what your solution is?

What I am certain of though is that there is ZERO chance of the UK becoming an Islamic state, and all the scare mongering is done by people with their own, not so hidden agendas

Have you thought through my question yet?

 

I assert the gradual Islamification of our island via an Islamist agenda, not the forming of an Islamic state via traditional revolution. It's logical and the evidence to support my position is overwhelming. I am opposed to it on the grounds that it is apposed to the Enlightenment thinking to which I am allied.