Absolutely!

Either that or can I have some Ferrari benefit?

 

Me chill out? LOL!

If you reply to my posts with such poor grammar you will get a response. Nothing to do with getting one up, I am educating you. Look at it as a service, a free one too

 

f1_fan - do you understand the history behind Child Benefit -- and its predecessor – Family Allowance

 

It's not selfish to have children, it's nature.

 

Yes, but times have changed. We don't burn witches any more either? Sadly, in Thatcher's case.

 

Ahh ok.... well then the CSA should (and I'd hope would automatically) "adjust" your ex's monthly payments to compensate your reduced income then....

As Edd said, there are a few "loopholes" they'd need to tidy up before this comes into effect.

 

Don't go through the CSA at the moment, and if I do try to go through them, he'll stop the money he gives me through a private agreement straight away. So I'll lose that money and CB for a while!

 

So what happens if someone below the wage limit for children has a child?

By that I mean if the parent/s can't afford the child? What happens to said child? You honestly think modern society would be happy to see children dying because benefits were withdrawn?

We would be no better than the savages across the water.

 

We would be no better than the savages across the water.[/QUOTE]

Across the water .????

Thought they had all moved in here for the Benefits .!!!!!

 

Very interesting read, people

I am very disappointed to see this to be honest. I know the Country is in a hole and they have to find money from somewhere, but they do seem to be going for the easiest targets.
What about MPs expenses, are they getting chopped to the bones or better still, scrapped. All these people getting thousands in benefits, fancy houses at 1000 per week rent, etc. Why not go after those. People coming into this Country and getting benefits immediately and worse, sending it to their homeland to support their family.
To be taking £20 from our children yet letting it go to other Countries really is galling.
They need to be looking at other areas to save the pennies.

 

OK you want a serious answer. Child benefit in its current or revised form should not exist. A blanket payment made on behalf of every child until they are 16 is just not sensible.

The premise of society should be if you can't afford them you shouldn't have them, the creed if you like.

Obviously kids shouldn't suffer and therefore any parent falling on hard times or any child born into a situation where there is not enough money to support them should be propped up by a properly means tested benefit system, but this should be a bare minium to support the child and if the parents have to do without booze or **** etc. then so be it. They had the child therefore they have to make sacrifices.

If the benefit money they receive is not spent on the child then they have no right to bring up a child anyway and the kid should be put into care. Harsh but fair.

 

you mean like saving `150 million by not sending the money to the third world as just promised by Nick Clugg

as they say "Look after the millions and the billions will look after themselves"

 

clare its selfish when you as a parent expect the state to look after them. have as many kids as you like just dont expect to pay for them

 

I don't think there should be Child Benefits for anyone, why should all tax payers fund the children of the people who decide to have them?

What I would think of as fair, is removing the Child Benefit system completely, and then giving that saving back by lowering taxes for everyone.

If someone decides they'd rather have a couple of expensive holidays a year; or a nicer house; or a new car etc etc then they wouldn't expect everyone else to pay for it (well not someone who I would consider to be in their right mind anyway), so why is it any different for kids?

I have three by the way, and am a higher rate tax payer, so I'll be worse off. But like I said, I'd rather they took less tax off me in the first place, and let me decide how I'd like my money spent.

 

Double post

 

Agree 100%

 

But she isn't expecting the state to look after them. Child Benefit has been around for a very long time. It is not a vast amount of money in the grand scheme of things and there are far better places to be cutting costs than at the expense of our children.
Most people don't have children because of the pittance we receive in benefits. Granted some do, but why penalise everyone

 

I think some people think that we see CB as a nice little earner! What if I was saving that money so I can send my daughter to Uni and then get a cracking job where she pays money into the system so we can get a pension by the time we're 70?

 

So like F1 Fan, you are effectively saying that only those people over a certain wage should be allowed to have children.

So I put the same question to you - what do you do with the children born under that wage limit?

I would just say that it wouldn't bother me if we personally didn't get child benefit and we are nowhere near 40K between us. My argument is that you can't just take it away altogether - some children would be at (more) serious risk than they are now.

AND another thing - if you take away child benefit are you also taking away childcare costs? If so, your wage limit for children in certain areas will mean only those in the higher rate bracket could even have children. 20% of the population.

 

Meh.

I've got 1 child that I recieve CB for... small amount that it is. Yes, I could live without it, but this is the way I see it.... i've worked almost non-stop for the last 13 years since leaving school. I was made redundant a couple of years ago, I got off my *** and found a job. Did I claim jobseekers in those 2 months? No... maybe i should have done, but that was my decision.

So forgive me If I accept CB with open arms when I've paid my way my whole working life.

 

The problem with that is that if you can save money why should you get CB. CB should be for those that need it to support the child. Not for those that save it for university.

Just being devils advocate, nothing more.

You need CB, theres no doubt about it - you can't just stop it. However, you should cap it against income. BUT not per person, per household. Income to the house under 45K = benefit. Household income over 45K = no benefit.

 

Maybe some on here would prefer it if only the right kind of people havekids.

 

To be fair, although totally un-PC that's not a bad idea.

There's too many kids being dragged up by benefit-scrounging parents these days who probably think thats the norm... 'Why get a job when I can do what my mum and dad do with their big flatscreen TV and Sky...'

 

I would rather it paid to working families below 45k per annum income and to those who really need it to get by and not just another benefit to rely on

So let's say for arguments sake i am single have a few kids get 200.00 a month Child Benefit whilst claiming ESA living in a council house getting council tax relief getting Disability Living Allowance free car and helper as well and spend the CB money on **** and drugs then i am entitled to it still.

Those benefits soon add up to a decent equivalent income and there is not control on how or where it is spent.

It does seem to reward some people for having more kids and the whole system hardly encourages the parents into work

 

I see this on a daily basis with there pay box behind the tv, makes my p*ss boil

 

lee

i was not clear there. i wasn't commenting on the child benefit side of things. clare said it wasn't selfish to have kids it was natural. then i read about some feckless dole scummer who has has his 14th kid by 12 different girls. that is selfish. expect the taxpayer to pay for his kids as he has neither the gumption to get a job nor the self respect as a hard working human being. just a parasite that should either be euthanised or at the very least have his ***** cut off to stop him getting slappers pregnant.

 

Good comment! also wot jobs is they out there for 40k plus a year id love to know.
All trade is dead.

 

Apologies, BS and I totally agree

 

Anyone whose decision to have children is influenced by the level of state benefits they may or may not receive is dangerous, possibly to themselves and certainly to the rest of us.

Kevin