Luminous

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This is not the benefits cheats we are talking about. These people have not been accused of cheating, merely playing a system that needs change

boomer

Why are you talking like a chav??

mb

Lee247

Not everyone is so lucky, Pete. I have just done the P60's for a factory and some of them, supporting a wife and kids are earning half that. And paying their tax.
I am not going to look at this thread anymore as it annoys me so much, you have no idea.

Lisawrx

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I'd be glad of half that. That's almost double my earnings.

chocolate_o_brian

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Tis true. Some people have their heads so far up their ***** it's unreal. They simply use the "work harder get more money" line. If only life were so simple.

One thing I've learn't over my working years is it's not what you know, it's how well you can suck ****

For the record, my apprenticeship salary for the first year is £6119 and I have a mortgage to pay so no bollocks about not wanting stuff

Leslie

Thats a pretty typical defeatist reply Pete. If we just let this sort of thing go on where will it all end?

How do you feel about your taxes being used to keep him in clover?

Les

Maz

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Sowing her fanny created the situation.

Leslie

I think she is a bit of a sew and sew!

Les

J4CKO

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I dont think its the family allowance they are after, it isnt much, £20 a week for the first child and £13.20 for subsequent, perhaps it should be, for births in a year hence tapered off, that said, £13.20 doesnt go very far when raising a child, we have three, they get through enormous ammounts of money.

I think the problem comes when they dont work and they get every benefit under the sun, the tax credits, housing benefit, jobseekers, Council Tax and other bills paid and I bet we dont know the half of it, they tend to live crap lifestyles, crap food, smoke, drink and not do much so they end up ill so a new level of benefits kicks in then, motability, disabled living allowance etc etc, this isnt what the Welfare State was conceived for, it was for those less fortunate to get help from those able to spare money in the form of taxes to help and as security/insurance in case you got ill or injured, so you didnt die of cold, starvation or disease, now we have the system providing cradle to grave care for those who never contribute and anyone who turns up on our shores, I think an element of "Scope Creep" has gone unoticed over the years, the plebs dont see it as a shared and finite pool of resource, its just something to be milked, they might not be the brightest people, as if they were they would get up in the morning and go out and find work but they are very cunning when it comes to what they can claim, its human nature, why Communism doesnt work either.

There needs to be a big shake up, all the lefty, namby pamby social workers need fooking off and replacing with no nonesense, common sense, old school individuals who dont want to just dole out money left right and centre.

The Zohan

At the very most benefits should only ever reach the same level as the average income which i believe is around £25k and then minus the equivilant ni and tax - and this level of benefits should only be in only exceptional cases.

The state should (by should i mean if appropriate and not cast in stone just that is fair and the right level if you see what i mena, noone has the absolute right to this money) pay at most for two children and two children only, no more, after that it is down to the parents to fund them.

kingofturds

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Freedom without responsibility is what is bringing this Country to it's knees, and that applies not just to these layabouts but our bankers and politicians. They seem to do whatever they want, then when the **** hits the fan they just wash their hands and walk away.

pslewis

I do wonder why it hasn't been sorted out by now .... we have had the welfare state for 60 years.

There must be a problem somewhere?

I think it is to do with benefits versus crime .... if we cut benefits to these scum, they will go robbing - your houses will be broken into, your cars smashed for a CD, muggings will increase .................

Is it better to just pay them off, I wonder?

The Zohan

How ridiculous to even consider paying them off, stopping benefits and removing the 'right' to a council property would be better - oh and build some more prisons and reintroduce borstals.

The softly softly approach and free handouts have created this situation

pslewis

We do pay them off ..... that's exactly what the big benefits are for ..... to stop them stealing and mugging.

It has to be considered ..... would you like a crime wave because we have slashed their benefits?

Like it, or not, they are linked!

The Zohan

deter and then punish if required mate, not buy them off

fivetide

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Simple, put them on St Kilda. Former village still standing. If they want to live like animals then they can do. No link to the rest of us and no one able to say 'not in my back yard'.

If they agree to work for their benefits then fine, come back. If they refuse to work then sorry but it has to be the modern version of the workhouse for them.

They were nasty places because they were used for anyone and everyone and often privately run but if it is done right there shouldn't be an issue. Proper benefits for those who have worked and paid their NI like they should. Work or get nothing but a room and 3 meals a day (no menu). Again, don't like it... get a job. simple options.

It defies belief that perfectly good houses are about to be knocked down because freeloaders don't want to live there. I'm sorry, when you pay for it you get a choice, if you don't you can be happy you haven't got a cardboard box. - Note this tends to be Brits. I have friend who works in housing for Edinburgh council, the 'freeloading immigrants' are great, they are just happy to have a house and actually do the places up themselves. The Brits just say no i want something bigger/better/nearer the pub etc. then ruin the place.

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/1690382

We have to stop paying people for sitting about and if they want to sit about/live in a hovel then there have to be repercussions. At the moment all that happens is they get moved somewhere else where they won't pay the rent and wreck the place until they get moved again.

5t.

urban

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The military on St Kilda could use them for target practice

Infact we could ship al the illegals there aswell as the one that suffer from poofterism

J4CKO

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Its all so complicated, we could really do with some metric, an equation to work out what an individual is able to contribute to society and what they are taking out, there are a lot more takers at the moment, nobody gives a **** about society, its all self self self and instant gratification.

There needs to be greater education as to the bottom line, that everything is finite in terms of funding or resources, that smashing up a Bus Stop, thought you may not get caught it will have a knock on to you further down the line as it all effects the bottom line, which is, at the moment underpinned by massive borrowing, the system doesnt work anymore.

I think part of the problem is that everyone thinks they are too important when they arent, that its all about them, its not, until people start thinking about and acting towards society as a whole (unselfishly) it will never work properly, Something as simple as a Bee or an Ant can get it bit not Humans.

kingofturds

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A few years back the local council had a little experiment of moving some of the worst tenants into a brand new estate, their theory was that if they had a new place they would show some pride and take care of the house. It is now one of the worst estates in town.
The problem is if people do not work they have no concept of the value of things and have zero respect for property or anything else.

J4CKO

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Do you think it's in part intelligence, are people that stupid, can they ever be educated or is it just they dont seem to have any breaks or advantages so why bother kind of mentality ?

How would you explain respect, social responsibility and why it is important to the likes of these three ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uja3W-ibifc

kingofturds

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You dissin ginger Joe?

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

You dissin ginger Joe?

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, twice

Leslie

I really don't like to think of you as a PC Plonker Pete, I don't think you actually are, but that is the sort of NL attitude that you are advocating.

How can you recommend just letting these lazy louts get away with stealing our public cash? As has been well demonstrated it will only get worse and the country will just run out of cash completely, like Greece!

As it is, they will continue to borrow more money to pay off the interest on what they have already borrowed since the GNP won't cope. Its the old Peter and Paul syndrome!

I can't believe that you are looking forward to the destruction of this country.....areyou?

Les