No, not aimed at you Lee. My point is not that they MUST be allowed to carry a knife, but that nobody has bothered to even look into the detail before the shouting starts.

Suddenly its about those immigrants demanding things again, not respecting the law of the land, wanting special rights. How they always get what they want if they shout loud enough, blah blah.

Nobody has bothered to find out a single fact about the sikhs, except a few have come on line to give some explanation. Nobody has bothered to find out if on the whole most sikhs even are bothered by this (I suspect not). But then this might expose it for the non story it is and not further the agenda

Are there hoardes of sikhs marching up and down the country demanding this right? I don't see any. They have been here for over 50 years, on the whole I don't think we've heard a peep out of them to be honest.

Nobody has bothered to find out what the track record of sikhs is in general when it comes to respecting the law of the land, defending the law of the land and laying down their life for queen and country.

Nobody has bothered to find out what this so called 'dagger' actually is. If it is just a symbol, ie a blunted tool that is actually usually sealed into its sheath (as I'm led to believe is its form in western countries) then maybe its something that could be given consideration. I'm not saying it should be allowed, just saying it should be given consideration.

But why bother to even think about these things when you can join the Scooby massive led on by mods like Paul Habgood and shout that 'the immigrants are at it again..........'

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say

Sikh's have served this country with honour and distinction for many years. The few that i know personally are decent, honest, hard working people and do contribute. They are honourable people on the whole and imho and experience.

This is not really about Sikhs (for me anyway) this is about changing laws that do not need changing and are there for good reason. No knives in schools!

Paul Habgood a mod, since when? looks like you need to get YOUR facts right before gobbing off eh! never let the fact get in the way of a good rant

As a parent i find it abborant that children should carry knives in schools, ceremonial or not. I left school in 1981, we where not allowed knives then either.

It is very simple and for those with any common sense do not let kids take knives to school.

If you are so smart then tell me why it is a good idea, what good can come of taking knives to school?
Please 'enlighten' me instead of insulting and generalising about me...

1) I thought you used to have 'Mod' in your signature.

2) I can't be bothered to explain the same things to you again and again, but I never said kids should take knives to school. You've proven yourself to be exactly the kind of reactionary I accused you of.

1) Perhaps you should pay a little attention before getting all reactionary about my 'mod' status or is it OK for you to do so, it appears so - LOL!

2) Do you think it OK for kids to take knives - ceremonial or not to school, i take it you do have an opinion on it yes or no?
Is the question a little to amiguous or tricky for you and please stop playing the race card

How rude.
Read what I wrote you **** - I didn't state at all that Sikh's were Muslims


Now why would I say that to myself

And can you justify that at all, or is it just words?

OK - perhaps too stong of a choice of words.

However, why can't people accept that we have rules/laws and these laws cannot be broken because of something in your particular religion in another country.
Noting ANOTHER COUNTRY where you in this particular example were born under British citizenship
United Kingdom - United Kingdom rules

You've surprised me with the "IS THEIR COUNTRY"

The point is

UK Laws state you cannot carry a knife full stop.
Thats really the end of discussion at that point really no matter how you look at it.

Whilst i do not agree with all the laws and law makers (yet m anage to abide by them) always this makes perfect sense and i just cannot fathom why anybody would think it right to let kids to schools with knives - for any reason whatsoever.

Seems others don't actually understand the basic concept

I you had read what J4CKO and I said about allowing him to wear some kind of imitation dagger which was made in such a way that it could not be used as a dagger then you might not have attacked J4CKO as you did.

The whole point of what we said was that he was not carrying a dangerous weapon, purely satisfying his traditions. Will your anti religious bias accept that?

Les

That might be OK, but what are the forces of law and order to do when they SEE someone with a dagger? ASK if it's fake? You can't carry a fake gun in public, why should you be able to carry a fake dagger?

IMHO laws should NOT be altered to suit religious beliefs.

I was responding to comments like those below

Pressumably you agree with this, given your response to me?

And no I don't think children should be allowed to take knives into schools under any circumstances

Originally Posted by urban
I'm sick and tired of all this islam/muslim beliefs shyte.

**** off from our country - you're destroying it

If you want to live in our country then abide by our rules fullstop or **** off.

We need to clamp down on this absurd nonsense via judicial means and show that we mean business and won't be pressurised by the "racial" card.

Its not anti religious - don't any of you read?

My point is people playing the race/religious card to get something
Britain then back down, hold the hands up and go "OK"

Thats what pisses myself and most other people off.

Imitation dagger - god save me.

What would happen if I dandered down the road with an imitation shotgun
Against the law - full stop.

So then - where's this going now?

eh?

So you now agree that knives shouldn't be carried
Does this also apply to fake knives too?

So what path is the thread going to take now was my question.

I'm sorry, but I can't resist.

Is it the Ajanti Dagger

If so then they just rap/chant
"I want the knife...............Pleassssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeee eeeee"

You are a long way off the point of course.

Les

What do you mean 'I NOW' agree, I've never agreed with people carrying knives....EVER?

As for the 'path of the thread', well hopefully a reasonable one without all the hyperbole of earlier posts.

Yep, I can see why you're so surprised... I mean Scoobynet having un-reasonable opinions, that's truly shocking.....

Anyway.......

This is the UK, integrate and abide by the law of the land or **** off somewhere else, simple as.

But don't try to change, bend or flaunt our laws under the guise of your own religeous beliefs as that makes you unwelcome here.

How?

You stated about changing the law to allow Shik's to carry an imitation dagger?

How did you eat your lunch Paul?

Not with a ceremonial dagger, with the schools cutlery as provided, are you trying to be obtuse or just clever?

^^ I think that he's just being dim

TX.

I thought this country was supposed to be a democracy with elected members of parliament, who govern us by making and in effect, changing laws all the time.
I hope you are not preaching seditious beliefs!
We all know what happened to Mr G Fawkes.
Quite right too.

The post reading/attention span ability of some Snet users is, well... poor

These ******* should be first on the bonfire

Yes, our democratically appointed government passed a law making it illegal for kids to carry knives into school. What's your problem?

I don't have a problem other than to note that our society is based on an elected law making parliament.
There is nothing to stop them changing that law or any other tomorrow is there?
If you don't approve of a society where laws can be changed by democratic means - perhaps you should go and live in a dictatorship.
If you are particularly obsessed with living in the past, you may even wish to live in a theocracy.
I hope you find this advice helpful.

Don't be so hard on yourself mate.