UK drug smuggler executed
I wouldnt if I were carrying 4 kilos of Heroin 
China to us is cheap badly made stuff, rice, human rights abuses and the chippy round the corner and thats a dangerous view so much more to it now and in future it is going to be a major world power as the US shrivels so we would be well advised to make strong links with China, we can sell expertise and engineering consultancy, that kind of thing, look at them making old Rovers and now Saabs and how we think this is amusing, we got caught out by the Japanese with their comedy cars in the seventies, oh how we laughed at their efforts "Datsh1ts" and look how we ended up producing them, how we now see them as a paragon of engineering excellence and reliability as our own stuff turned to poo, they (Geely) have bought Volvo lock stock and barrel from Ford, they can make it cheaply over there, no unions, no regular sickness and a work ethic we cannot match.
We have had a major setback in the west, all greed and everyone thinking they deserve the best and lending to the hill to pay for it, the Chinese quietly get on with it, working hard and learning and far from just making toxic toy dolls with spikes for eyes and other cheap tat they are now making stuff cheaply but well, usually with a few quality controllers from abroad but they will start doing it themselves.
China to us is cheap badly made stuff, rice, human rights abuses and the chippy round the corner and thats a dangerous view so much more to it now and in future it is going to be a major world power as the US shrivels so we would be well advised to make strong links with China, we can sell expertise and engineering consultancy, that kind of thing, look at them making old Rovers and now Saabs and how we think this is amusing, we got caught out by the Japanese with their comedy cars in the seventies, oh how we laughed at their efforts "Datsh1ts" and look how we ended up producing them, how we now see them as a paragon of engineering excellence and reliability as our own stuff turned to poo, they (Geely) have bought Volvo lock stock and barrel from Ford, they can make it cheaply over there, no unions, no regular sickness and a work ethic we cannot match.
We have had a major setback in the west, all greed and everyone thinking they deserve the best and lending to the hill to pay for it, the Chinese quietly get on with it, working hard and learning and far from just making toxic toy dolls with spikes for eyes and other cheap tat they are now making stuff cheaply but well, usually with a few quality controllers from abroad but they will start doing it themselves.
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I'd go there, but i would respect their laws, which is how it should be, how else would i learn about China? The same goes for anywhere else. I'm certainly not going to learn much from the biased paranoid media we have over here. How many people coming here can say they'd honestly do the same?
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I mentioned it earlier, and no one seems to have addressed it when they talk of their support for the death penalty. How do you justify the death penalty when there is always the chance (however slim it may be) the person is innocent?
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He was found with the heroin on him. We all know that you should not carry someone else's luggage etc . Ignorance of the law is no defense.
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Exactly, believe it or not, we are not blood thirsty morons who haven't thought it through first, but you must be 100% sure, that goes without saying, or at least it should.
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I wouldnt if I were carrying 4 kilos of Heroin
China to us is cheap badly made stuff, rice, human rights abuses and the chippy round the corner and thats a dangerous view so much more to it now and in future it is going to be a major world power as the US shrivels so we would be well advised to make strong links with China, we can sell expertise and engineering consultancy, that kind of thing, look at them making old Rovers and now Saabs and how we think this is amusing, we got caught out by the Japanese with their comedy cars in the seventies, oh how we laughed at their efforts "Datsh1ts" and look how we ended up producing them, how we now see them as a paragon of engineering excellence and reliability as our own stuff turned to poo, they (Geely) have bought Volvo lock stock and barrel from Ford, they can make it cheaply over there, no unions, no regular sickness and a work ethic we cannot match.
We have had a major setback in the west, all greed and everyone thinking they deserve the best and lending to the hill to pay for it, the Chinese quietly get on with it, working hard and learning and far from just making toxic toy dolls with spikes for eyes and other cheap tat they are now making stuff cheaply but well, usually with a few quality controllers from abroad but they will start doing it themselves.
China to us is cheap badly made stuff, rice, human rights abuses and the chippy round the corner and thats a dangerous view so much more to it now and in future it is going to be a major world power as the US shrivels so we would be well advised to make strong links with China, we can sell expertise and engineering consultancy, that kind of thing, look at them making old Rovers and now Saabs and how we think this is amusing, we got caught out by the Japanese with their comedy cars in the seventies, oh how we laughed at their efforts "Datsh1ts" and look how we ended up producing them, how we now see them as a paragon of engineering excellence and reliability as our own stuff turned to poo, they (Geely) have bought Volvo lock stock and barrel from Ford, they can make it cheaply over there, no unions, no regular sickness and a work ethic we cannot match.
We have had a major setback in the west, all greed and everyone thinking they deserve the best and lending to the hill to pay for it, the Chinese quietly get on with it, working hard and learning and far from just making toxic toy dolls with spikes for eyes and other cheap tat they are now making stuff cheaply but well, usually with a few quality controllers from abroad but they will start doing it themselves.
There are stories of people getting in trouble for having traces of hash in the tread of their shoes (Dubai I think it was). When I hear stuff like that it makes the decision to go there or not very simple - don't bother.
The probability of these things happening is very low I am sure, but why increase your odds?
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I'd go there, but i would respect their laws, which is how it should be, how else would i learn about China? The same goes for anywhere else. I'm certainly not going to learn much from the biased paranoid media we have over here. How many people coming here can say they'd honestly do the same?
Thankfully we haven't quite sunk to those levels yet.
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You can NEVER be 100%. 99.9% maybe, but that's a ba$tard for the 1000th person you execute who turns out to be innocent.
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America is a modern Civilized country and has over 3000 people on death row.I can't see using the USA as a example how the death sentence is any kind of deterrent with that many people on death row,But then who to we think we are least he got a trail,Jean Charles de Menezes didn't we just shot him in cold blood on the underground then tried to cover it up.
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The cover up was a lot do do with operational issues but yes, some of it was fudged.
However, the real cause of the death are the terrorists, some home grown!
As far as Our Police and SO19 go this is the exception rather than the rule and if you think there are better trained or more dedicated police units that SO19 around the world then you are truly mistaken.
Oh and whilst on the subject fo De Menezes - a good look at his home country will reveal a corrupt police force who happliy shoot to death homeless kids and leave the bodies in the streets, hardly a model society... and DeMenezes, overstayed his visa(s) and illegally here and found with traces of cocaine in his system, perhaps not a model citizen either, not that he deserved to die for overstaying his visa
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De Menezes was shot as a result of bad intelligence and poor communication (so19's radios not working underground), just a few days after Muslim terrorists blew up 50+ men women and children in the heart of our capital city in a cowardly act.
The cover up was a lot do do with operational issues but yes, some of it was fudged.
However, the real cause of the death are the terrorists, some home grown!
As far as Our Policer and SO19 go this is the exception rather than the rule and if you think there are better trained or more dedicated police units that SO19 around the world then you are truly mistaken.
Oh and whilst on the subject fo De Menezes - a good look at his home country will reveal a corrupt police force who happliy shoot to death homeless kids and leave the bodies in the streets, hardly a model society...
The cover up was a lot do do with operational issues but yes, some of it was fudged.
However, the real cause of the death are the terrorists, some home grown!
As far as Our Policer and SO19 go this is the exception rather than the rule and if you think there are better trained or more dedicated police units that SO19 around the world then you are truly mistaken.
Oh and whilst on the subject fo De Menezes - a good look at his home country will reveal a corrupt police force who happliy shoot to death homeless kids and leave the bodies in the streets, hardly a model society...
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The likes of the Glasgow airport bombing should have seen those ******* hang IMO
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That's true but it's only there so you have no chance of using it in your defence to evade any "justice." I doubt if anyone knows 100% of the laws in their land.
Sara maybe you'd better not travel to Alabama (as an example) if you're figuring on challenging a bear to a wrestling match or want to throw a stone at a bird, but not in self defence.
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If you’re planning to visit Alabama , my home state, any time soon, make sure you don’t challenge a bear to a wrestling match. It could land you in jail since bear wrestling is a Class B felony in the Yellowhammer State. And if you’re thinking of dressing as a nun to go Mardi Gras in Mobile, think again. Impersonating a nun or other member of the clergy is punishable by up to a year in jail and a fine of $500.
These are just two examples of the many wacky statutes on the books, not just in Alabama but in many states across this great nation. Here are a few more that might make you wonder what were they thinking? :
* It’s illegal to collect rags or paper in Indianapolis on Sundays. Don’t go rag or paper collecting on legal holidays either, or you could be subject to a fine. However, it’s generally okay to collect rags and paper after 7:30 a.m. and before 5:30.
* Don’t skip your Saturday night bath in Barre, Vermont. There is a law on the books requiring all residents to bathe every Saturday night. Washing on other days of the week is apparently optional and left to the discretion of the residents.
* When attacked by a bird, you can throw a rock at it in Indianapolis. However, it is illegal to throw stones at birds if you’re not acting in self-defense.
* Michigan will pay you to throw rocks at birds. But only if you kill them, and only if they’re starlings or crows. The state pays three cents for each starling killed and ten cents per crow.
* Florida forbids the tethering of pregnant pigs. It is also illegal to confine an expecting sow to a cage, crate or other enclosure that prevents the pig from turning around freely.
* You can’t sell your eyes in Texas. “The Eyes of Texas” is the official song of the University of Texas, and they are apparently not for sale. Nor are any other bodily organs, under penalty of law.
* Pinball is not for children in South Carolina. For some reason, you have to be at least 18 to play pinball in the Palmetto State.
* In Belvedere, California, dogs must not appear in public without their masters on a leash. (Who’s on a leash here? The dog or the master?)The city council probably intended to make sure the canines rather than the humans were leashed.
* If you have political ambitions in Tennessee, don’t participate in a duel. The state prohibits people who have been in a duel from holding public office.
* Only genuine smack-downs are permitted in Louisiana. State law prohibits the exhibition of fake wrestling matches, so keep that jello in the box!
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle2251280.ece
Don't think I'll be going to Indonesia anytime soon.
Sara maybe you'd better not travel to Alabama (as an example) if you're figuring on challenging a bear to a wrestling match or want to throw a stone at a bird, but not in self defence.
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If you’re planning to visit Alabama , my home state, any time soon, make sure you don’t challenge a bear to a wrestling match. It could land you in jail since bear wrestling is a Class B felony in the Yellowhammer State. And if you’re thinking of dressing as a nun to go Mardi Gras in Mobile, think again. Impersonating a nun or other member of the clergy is punishable by up to a year in jail and a fine of $500.
These are just two examples of the many wacky statutes on the books, not just in Alabama but in many states across this great nation. Here are a few more that might make you wonder what were they thinking? :
* It’s illegal to collect rags or paper in Indianapolis on Sundays. Don’t go rag or paper collecting on legal holidays either, or you could be subject to a fine. However, it’s generally okay to collect rags and paper after 7:30 a.m. and before 5:30.
* Don’t skip your Saturday night bath in Barre, Vermont. There is a law on the books requiring all residents to bathe every Saturday night. Washing on other days of the week is apparently optional and left to the discretion of the residents.
* When attacked by a bird, you can throw a rock at it in Indianapolis. However, it is illegal to throw stones at birds if you’re not acting in self-defense.
* Michigan will pay you to throw rocks at birds. But only if you kill them, and only if they’re starlings or crows. The state pays three cents for each starling killed and ten cents per crow.
* Florida forbids the tethering of pregnant pigs. It is also illegal to confine an expecting sow to a cage, crate or other enclosure that prevents the pig from turning around freely.
* You can’t sell your eyes in Texas. “The Eyes of Texas” is the official song of the University of Texas, and they are apparently not for sale. Nor are any other bodily organs, under penalty of law.
* Pinball is not for children in South Carolina. For some reason, you have to be at least 18 to play pinball in the Palmetto State.
* In Belvedere, California, dogs must not appear in public without their masters on a leash. (Who’s on a leash here? The dog or the master?)The city council probably intended to make sure the canines rather than the humans were leashed.
* If you have political ambitions in Tennessee, don’t participate in a duel. The state prohibits people who have been in a duel from holding public office.
* Only genuine smack-downs are permitted in Louisiana. State law prohibits the exhibition of fake wrestling matches, so keep that jello in the box!
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle2251280.ece
Don't think I'll be going to Indonesia anytime soon.
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Gibraltar (comparing apples with oranges) - have you any idea as to the background of this - well here goes
"1988: IRA gang shot dead in Gibraltar
The IRA has confirmed the three people shot dead by security forces in Gibraltar yesterday were members of an active service unit.
They are reported to have planted a 500lb car bomb near the British Governor's residence. It was primed to go off tomorrow during a changing of the guard ceremony, which is popular with tourists. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2516155.stm
We where at war with the IRA and these terrorists where shot as part of that, hardly the same as executing a drug importer who may well have had mental problems and duped into taking the drugs in.
Remember Tianamin Square, the gov't are happy to lock up and torture anyone who says a word they do not like, the ban on second children, the massacres of tibbetan monks and civillians, etc. The list goes on, China does not give a **** about anyone or anything and it does not care.
Have a look here - TIBET - CHINA Photos of the massacre in Tibet - Asia News this was a group of people yelling "free Tibet". and do you really think we are in the same league and the Chinese when it comes to inhumane treatment?
So then, This guy did not get a proper trial, limited interpetation and hardly any facts disclosed, it seems he was a dead man walking and the trial was just a formality.
Now i do belive drugs are evil and a curse on society and yes i would see importers and distributers put to death or at least life meaning life for those caught. I belive our systems and processes are fairer and a lot better than China's.
OK i'm done
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Just a thought.......for every person that is sentenced wrongly there must be at least one that gets away with a crime they committed.
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The bloke was off'd as a message to all the other Indian, Pakistani, British, American, etc. dealers and pushers what happens in China.....
Harsh, but it has to be that way....
Harsh, but it has to be that way....
Paul i do AGREE WITH YOU!!!.any country which has death vans isn't civilized.
USATODAY.com - China makes ultimate punishment mobile
But who are we to criticize when are own governments have killed in our name.
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But who are we to criticize when are own governments have killed in our name.
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The issue of whether he was guilty is, I think, a given. he did have 4kgs of heroin on him whilst entering China. He *chose* to visit that country and so, by implication, *chose* to abode by their laws and accept punishment for transgressing those laws. As we all do when we go on holiday abroad. As we do by just day to day living at home. It is just that in this case the punishment was a little more *terminal* than just being caught at 35 in a 30 zone in Milton Keynes. His choice though.
Was he mentally ill? It seems that on balance there was no actual medical diagnosis of an illness. If he was ill as mentioned by his family there would seem to be *degrees* of the illness, so he may well have been *fit to stand trial* even if he was *ill*. But what really gets me is the hypocrisy of our lords and masters in government who make out that China shouldn't have executed him because of his *mental illness*, which had not been diagnosed, but they are willing to extradite a British citizen to the US who *has*been diagnosed as being mentally ill ( ... The betrayal of Gary McKinnon | Nadine Stavonina de Montagnac | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk ... ) and say they can do nothing!
This government makes a mockery of justice and to try to preach to the Chinese about issues to do with their own judicial system just shows them up as the ignorant, arrogant, hypocrites that they are. Roll on the election!
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Was he mentally ill? It seems that on balance there was no actual medical diagnosis of an illness. If he was ill as mentioned by his family there would seem to be *degrees* of the illness, so he may well have been *fit to stand trial* even if he was *ill*. But what really gets me is the hypocrisy of our lords and masters in government who make out that China shouldn't have executed him because of his *mental illness*, which had not been diagnosed, but they are willing to extradite a British citizen to the US who *has*been diagnosed as being mentally ill ( ... The betrayal of Gary McKinnon | Nadine Stavonina de Montagnac | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk ... ) and say they can do nothing!
This government makes a mockery of justice and to try to preach to the Chinese about issues to do with their own judicial system just shows them up as the ignorant, arrogant, hypocrites that they are. Roll on the election!
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Maybe we could hire a few of those Chinese lethal injection buses and do the rounds over here.... starting with all the sponging immigrants, child molesters, drug/smack heads.....
The issue of whether he was guilty is, I think, a given. he did have 4kgs of heroin on him whilst entering China. He *chose* to visit that country and so, by implication, *chose* to abode by their laws and accept punishment for transgressing those laws. As we all do when we go on holiday abroad. As we do by just day to day living at home. It is just that in this case the punishment was a little more *terminal* than just being caught at 35 in a 30 zone in Milton Keynes. His choice though.
Was he mentally ill? It seems that on balance there was no actual medical diagnosis of an illness. If he was ill as mentioned by his family there would seem to be *degrees* of the illness, so he may well have been *fit to stand trial* even if he was *ill*. But what really gets me is the hypocrisy of our lords and masters in government who make out that China shouldn't have executed him because of his *mental illness*, which had not been diagnosed, but they are willing to extradite a British citizen to the US who *has*been diagnosed as being mentally ill ( ... The betrayal of Gary McKinnon | Nadine Stavonina de Montagnac | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk ... ) and say they can do nothing!
This government makes a mockery of justice and to try to preach to the Chinese about issues to do with their own judicial system just shows them up as the ignorant, arrogant, hypocrites that they are. Roll on the election!
Dave
Was he mentally ill? It seems that on balance there was no actual medical diagnosis of an illness. If he was ill as mentioned by his family there would seem to be *degrees* of the illness, so he may well have been *fit to stand trial* even if he was *ill*. But what really gets me is the hypocrisy of our lords and masters in government who make out that China shouldn't have executed him because of his *mental illness*, which had not been diagnosed, but they are willing to extradite a British citizen to the US who *has*been diagnosed as being mentally ill ( ... The betrayal of Gary McKinnon | Nadine Stavonina de Montagnac | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk ... ) and say they can do nothing!
This government makes a mockery of justice and to try to preach to the Chinese about issues to do with their own judicial system just shows them up as the ignorant, arrogant, hypocrites that they are. Roll on the election!
Dave
.We can extradite a British citizen to the US but we can not extradite a US citizen to the UK
