Man saves family from attackers and ends up going to jail.
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they have this kind of mandate in some US states -- the use of lethal force
I suspect the figures will show it does little to deter criminals, although leaves some dead, and some innocent bystanders dead, along with a few postmen who are new to the round,dead!!
I suspect the figures will show it does little to deter criminals, although leaves some dead, and some innocent bystanders dead, along with a few postmen who are new to the round,dead!!
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And if you leave here who will be here to put you're "possibly" more sensible or different point of view across?
Hope it was nothing I've said eitherway
and hope you decide to stay
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I don't think we can really look down at the US in this case, when it comes to the subject of deterrence.
When a criminal of this type fells free to re-offend in such a laisser-faire manner, I would have to say that I am not too saddened by this instance of decommissioning.
It is a shame the criminal justice system has proven so woeful in dealing with the burglar and no doubt his friends.
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two different arguments
should the criminal justice system be improved - yes
and should people be able to meet out summary justice on the fly - no
I can't see what's so hard
people will be saying life does not mean life next!!!!!
should the criminal justice system be improved - yes
and should people be able to meet out summary justice on the fly - no
I can't see what's so hard
people will be saying life does not mean life next!!!!!
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If I where in this guys situation what would I do?
Damed if I know I hope never to find out but if I escaped and could see my wife and kids tied up and had been threatened with my life could i stop my self from beating the sh#t out of one of the intruders.
Just don't know
Damed if I know I hope never to find out but if I escaped and could see my wife and kids tied up and had been threatened with my life could i stop my self from beating the sh#t out of one of the intruders.
Just don't know
Everytime I've been to a race course or taken part there is always a sign or written document and I quote from a Donington Park Competitors, Officials, Guests and staff pass:
"Motor Sport is dangerous and all persons attending/taking part in this meeting do so entirely at their own risk - It is a condition that all persons having any connection with the promotion and/or organisation and/or conduct of the meeting, including the owners of the land and drivers and owners of the vehicles, are absolved of all liability arising out of accidents causing damage or personal injury (whether fatal or otherwise) however caused to spectators or ticket holders"
What I think is that the same should apply to criminals. Something along the lines of:
"Crime is dangerous and all persons attending/taking part in this activity do so entirely at their own risk - It is a condition that all persons having any connection with the capture and/or arrest and/or death of the criminals, including the owners of the land and drivers and owners of the Police vehicles, are absolved of all liability arising out of accidents causing damage or personal injury (whether fatal or otherwise) however caused to the criminal"
"Motor Sport is dangerous and all persons attending/taking part in this meeting do so entirely at their own risk - It is a condition that all persons having any connection with the promotion and/or organisation and/or conduct of the meeting, including the owners of the land and drivers and owners of the vehicles, are absolved of all liability arising out of accidents causing damage or personal injury (whether fatal or otherwise) however caused to spectators or ticket holders"
What I think is that the same should apply to criminals. Something along the lines of:
"Crime is dangerous and all persons attending/taking part in this activity do so entirely at their own risk - It is a condition that all persons having any connection with the capture and/or arrest and/or death of the criminals, including the owners of the land and drivers and owners of the Police vehicles, are absolved of all liability arising out of accidents causing damage or personal injury (whether fatal or otherwise) however caused to the criminal"
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you are displaying all the intellectual characteristics
same pond?
50 convictions plus what ever else he has got away with. I dont understand how a career criminal can be convicted that many times.
Thats 50 + peoples lifes he has effected in a bad way. And probably would have carried on doing so.
Now he doesnt have too as he will get a massive payout.
What did the millionaire do for a living any ideas? just outta intrest only saying this as if he was dodgy then you tend to expect these things.
Thats 50 + peoples lifes he has effected in a bad way. And probably would have carried on doing so.
Now he doesnt have too as he will get a massive payout.
What did the millionaire do for a living any ideas? just outta intrest only saying this as if he was dodgy then you tend to expect these things.
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As for the same pond ....
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Pete - you do know it is quite possible to have no 'sympathy' for the robber, lots of sympathy for the family and still be against vigilanty action....you do understand that don't you??
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No read my posts – my views are expressed plainly enough
The law makes provision for you to use force – even lethal force to protect your family -- but not chase a person and beat them to a vegetable whilst defenceless on the ground
anyone who doesn’t understand this probably won’t be persuaded otherwise by anything I post
The law makes provision for you to use force – even lethal force to protect your family -- but not chase a person and beat them to a vegetable whilst defenceless on the ground
anyone who doesn’t understand this probably won’t be persuaded otherwise by anything I post
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His family were defenceless on the ground!!
A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye .....
I understand that we don't want vigilanties getting hold of the wrong people and hurting them .... but, in this case, there was no doubt and the robber got justice.
A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye .....
I understand that we don't want vigilanties getting hold of the wrong people and hurting them .... but, in this case, there was no doubt and the robber got justice.
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A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye .....
"An eye for an eye for an eye for an eye ... ends in making everybody blind - Mahatma Ghandi
He didn't mention teeth though
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Well.... I was listening to a Southern Ireland radio station yesterday - RTE2 - and on the news was a report that the law about this very thing looks likely to change there. It included words like ' you will be able to kill someone in certain circumstances'.
The law there a present states that if someone breaks into you home and threatens you or yours if you can retreat and get away you should. The new law will allow you to defend your home or Family to the bitter end.
Perhaps someone clever could get a link off their site - I'm not clever enough.
Yah to the Irish
The law there a present states that if someone breaks into you home and threatens you or yours if you can retreat and get away you should. The new law will allow you to defend your home or Family to the bitter end.
Perhaps someone clever could get a link off their site - I'm not clever enough.
Yah to the Irish
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Having given some more thought to this issue, there is a chance that if the use of more than "reasonable force" used against an assailant becomes acceptable, we may get the more "harden" criminals who are more willing to face off a home owner and be more organised and more prepared kill/maim without a second thought. Violence begets violence.
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Perhaps if this had been the case, the burglar may have stopped robbing people a little earlier in his career.
Still we shouldn't be too hard on a lawyer misrepresenting the OT. He did go on to become a politician after all
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But if you are a criminal (fifty times
)- we don't care.Let's be realistic about this.
The criminal justice system is not going to be improved.
Maybe if No 10 had been burgled 50 times it might have been.
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Remember, 95% of crime is committed by 5% of the people ..... execute the 5% and we have a peaceful society where we can live together in harmony.
Of course, you will still get the odd rogue come through to fill the void of no-crime .... execute them and we are onto a winner!
Druggies, for example, they have so little thought for their own lives that maybe we should step in and help them kill themselves? Only we will be doing it before they become a mini crimewave.
Of course, you will still get the odd rogue come through to fill the void of no-crime .... execute them and we are onto a winner!
Druggies, for example, they have so little thought for their own lives that maybe we should step in and help them kill themselves? Only we will be doing it before they become a mini crimewave.
Remember, 95% of crime is committed by 5% of the people ..... execute the 5% and we have a peaceful society where we can live together in harmony.
Of course, you will still get the odd rogue come through to fill the void of no-crime .... execute them and we are onto a winner!
Druggies, for example, they have so little thought for their own lives that maybe we should step in and help them kill themselves? Only we will be doing it before they become a mini crimewave.
Of course, you will still get the odd rogue come through to fill the void of no-crime .... execute them and we are onto a winner!
Druggies, for example, they have so little thought for their own lives that maybe we should step in and help them kill themselves? Only we will be doing it before they become a mini crimewave.
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Having given some more thought to this issue, there is a chance that if the use of more than "reasonable force" used against an assailant becomes acceptable, we may get the more "harden" criminals who are more willing to face off a home owner and be more organised and more prepared kill/maim without a second thought. Violence begets violence.
So back to a previous point, it should be the state / police who protect the law abiding public. What you get if they dont is what happened in this case surely?
After 50 plus robberies with violence hasnt the victim or victims been let down by the state? Surely the state promises to protect us in return for us allowing them to dispense justice on our behalf. More and more we are being let down, the justice system in this country doesnt work, more and more its letting off hardened criminals because of lack of prison places and deterrent sentancing.
