There has to be some real deterent to breaking into peoples houses with a weapon, the law sadly does not seem to be a deterent these days. Even if the people are apprehended. This was not the first time these people had done this.

I dont think there would be such public support for the home owner and the likes of Tony Martin if the law delt with these people properly, sadly it doesnt. There have been so many cases of fathers or have a go heros being beaten to death with consequential short sentances for the criminal. So what do you expect?

 

and your point is

 

So the guy gets threatened with death by someone who came into his home uninvited to take his property, potentially to hurt his family, he gained the upper hand and managed to do a number on the intruder, what was he meant to do make him a brew whilst they waited for the Police ?

Basically, if he didnt incapacitate him he would have got away, I suspect they probably went too far and for that I think there should be some penalty but I doubt he was worrying about that after having the terror and feeling unable to protect his wife and kids, its not like you ask someone you are battering whether they are brain damaged yet, all happened very quickly I would imagine.

Its like anything in life, you are responsible for what you do, you break into a house to steal stuff and put people through anguish then you have crossed the line, you had the option not to do it, facing down an emotional householder who has less chance to consider his actions and outcome is always a possibility.

Trouble is the burglar will be on incapacity benefit for the rest of his life now.

 

very simple -- their is a line that you cannot cross when you are defending your family/property -- he was judged to have crossed it

and he got punished in accordance with the law

if he had hit the guy – even fatally wounded him (quite rightly) in his house whilst defending his family he would have not been convicted – he didn’t and he was

it really is that simple

 

At the end of the day the guy and his brother did manage something that both the law and the courts had demonstably failed to do;

They have stopped the ****** from doing anything similar in the future

 

Tony Martin was convicted because he didn't shoot all of them dead and then throw them in the cesspit .......... no-one knew where they were, they were out thieving, no reason for the Police to come looking around his farm.

 

But put him in a secure mental health hospital costing twice as much. And now they have included their own names on the number of criminals in britain

 

We haven't heard the final word on this ...... the Millionaire businessman will now have to pay substantial damages to this low-life scumbag.

We should execute - 3 strikes and you're out.

I repeat - he should receive a community medal for removing scum off the streets .... we all wish we were Charles Bronson in Death Wish - this gentleman lived that dream!

 

Well I hope with the damages received this scum does the decent thing and buys the guy a new cricket bat

 

The bloke would have been angry and addrenalind up which is probably the reason he gave chase.

If the thievingskummer hadnt off broken into the house he wouldnt be brain damaged?

we probably have 1500 quids worth off xmas pressies in the house plus tvs etc. all off them have been paid for by me and the misses working all the time.

By you saying the bloke has been punished rightly your saying that its OK for people to go around stealing these things. Fair enough the bloke battered lad down road but i am extremly protective off my family and home and id have chased kid to other end off country because i wouldnt have been calm till kid was laying in a pool off his own pi$$

As iv said if your family is threatened the adrenalin kicks in and i doubt you would take resposibilty for your actions.

To many skum bags get away with it. this isnt a dig at the police its theCPS that tie there hands.

 

Why is is that it's the same people who moan about 'what a state the country is in', are the very same individuals rejoicing in the horrific violence meted out in this case.

I think it's the state SN we should be more worried about, especially when you look at the shameful posts on the Berlusconi thread, apparently it's quite OK to smash in the face of a 73 year old so long as you don't agree with their politics.

 

Where did you say your caravan was, exactly?
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Remember, that this individual had held your family captive - stolen from you - threatened to harm your family ......... no violence would be horrific enough - end of!

 

What we also don't know is how the thug was behaving when he had tied the family up, as well as threatening them with death.

I still feel that crims go attacking and robbing innocent people at their own risk, or that is how it should be. Why should they expect protection after behaviour like that.

Les

 

There has to be a limit.

What would our world look like if the population didn't have limits? It would be Lord of the Flies on a continental scale.

Has anyone actually read the article? I pointed out before the judge basically says "With regret, I have to send you down"

Yes these people did wrong, yes the guy was hyped up and wanted to carry out his own justice, yes we can all see the reasons behind it and possibly even do something similar - Yes, you have to face the consequences of your actions.


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I think I'm a better judge of my likely reaction than you Pete

 

The limits are removed when someone steps into your house and threatens your family .... even if it takes years to hunt them down and kill them.

Remember, we are talking about the RIGHT thug who got sorted out - it was not mistaken identity (that's where the objections would carry weight).

 

Indeed, maybe you would turn the other cheek to be slapped or offered the theif some milk and honey.

Most would not.

 

So there are only 2 options then

Turn the other cheek, or extreme violence?

 

On your local park if your not carefull!!!

 

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.

My post was about the reaction to the story, not the story itself

What I am suggesting is that the views posted on here are somewhat hypocritical

 

In this case, yes.

 

Sorry to be rude Pete, but how the hell would you know?

 

I wonder how much the taxpayer will be coughing up to look after the **** with brain damage over the years?
I guess on the bright side, he is unlikely to reoffend

 

cster - my thouths entirely. We are now paying for this muppet.

The issue i had was how his brother had got involved etc. If it would have been me i'm pretty sure I'd have also made the guy want to leave my house on the double but I can't see how he'd leave the rest of them tied up. Moment of madness, bloodlust i can accept but to get your brother round? Seems a bit funny, more like a revenge attack than heat of the moment stuff.

5t.

 

no only one

 

Everytime I've been to a race course or taken part there is always a sign or written document and I quote from a Donington Park Competitors, Officials, Guests and staff pass:

"Motor Sport is dangerous and all persons attending/taking part in this meeting do so entirely at their own risk - It is a condition that all persons having any connection with the promotion and/or organisation and/or conduct of the meeting, including the owners of the land and drivers and owners of the vehicles, are absolved of all liability arising out of accidents causing damage or personal injury (whether fatal or otherwise) however caused to spectators or ticket holders"

What I think is that the same should apply to criminals. Something along the lines of:

"Crime is dangerous and all persons attending/taking part in this activity do so entirely at their own risk - It is a condition that all persons having any connection with the capture and/or arrest and/or death of the criminals, including the owners of the land and drivers and owners of the Police vehicles, are absolved of all liability arising out of accidents causing damage or personal injury (whether fatal or otherwise) however caused to the criminal"

 

I think I'm about done with this forum

It's a massively contrasting dynamic here now and some of the attitudes really leave a bitter taste.