Harvey: Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick. It's just how it read to me:

It's the festive season, so time to chill, relax and spread the love

 

bob can you pm me a list of the tuners / companies who you recommend (if possible) and the mapper who you use and regard as the best

as again i have tried to pm you but it wont go through

cheers

steve

 

Will do mate. SN has been playing up for a while now.

 

Hi BOB'5,

Any chance you could expand on the most accomplished mapper?

Many thanks

 

" my comments are based on personal experience and the views/advice of the most accomplished mapper around who maps the car. "


I wasn't aware that Bob Rawle mapped your car ?

 

Another can of worms. Andy.F maps my car. There are other mappers that I would use if needed, but Andy.F has the right attitude and real world experience in producing the results for me.

I'm sure there are plenty of decent mappers out there. Find one that has the experience in doing what you hope to achive, get on with and stick with them.

http://www.andyforrestperformance.co.uk/index2.html

 

 

david that did make me chuckle, and have to agree he ahs worked his majic a few times on my cars over the years

 

'Best mapper' is a relative and subjective statement. Even if we could have a 'mapper shootout', with different mappers mapping the same engine from scratch then measuring performance and driveability, two different drivers may have differing opinions about what constitutes 'best'. And then of course, there's the issue of longevity - one mapper may be able to extract slightly more performance but only at the cost of reduced enegine longevity.

FWIW, I've used a lot of the big names in mapping including the two mentioned here (who are undoubtedly very good), but my vote goes to Paul at Zen; not only is my car a dream to drive, it's also running flawlessly at 415bhp with almost 80,000 miles on the clock (50,000 of which while running over 400bhp).

 

Agreed, I can only go by my own experiences and tell you what I think.

The wooden spoons out there would easily miss this from my post :

"There are other mappers that I would use if needed, but Andy.F has the right attitude and real world experience in producing the results for me.

I'm sure there are plenty of decent mappers out there. Find one that has the experience in doing what you hope to achive, get on with and stick with them. "

Would happily use Paul @ Zen too. Professional guy and outfit with a proven track record.

 

This may be a can of worms, but are 'charge temps' ie the temp of the air after it has been compressed by the turbo and cooled by the intercooler, measured by the ECU? I ask as I have an ecu monitor that gives me the 'intake temp' whatever that is.

If it is the same thing then my tmic seems to do a good job most of the time, and scrubs off the extra temp caused by heat soak pretty quickly.

An example is running it at cadwell park over the summer. On track the intake temp is fine (1-2C above ambient) the whole time and then it starts to raise a bot as I pull off the track after the cool down lap. Leave the car off for 20 mins with the bonnet up (poor brakes need a rest) and when I switch it back on the heat soak has warmed the intercooler up to the touch and the ecu monitor is telling me intake temps are approx 40-50C. However, less than one half lap (warming the tyres, brakes, oil etc) and the temps are down again and the foot goes to the floor!

I have an 03 etc with a few mods bit only running 300 hp I reckon.

 

Intake temp is generally at the MAF

Charge temp is after it has gone through the turbo/intercooler - not generally monitored by the ecu.

 

The std ECU measures air temp at the MAF, so may not pick up all the heat soak or efficiency loss of any intercooler (flattened fins or loss of air flow over scoop/ into rad intake).
Result is that the ECU may not be removing as much timing out as needed and the knock strategy has to be relied upon.

Worst case scenario is high revs on motorway in a classic with a TMIC that's been through the wars.

 

No, mate: worst case is French motorways at silly speeds in 40+ degree temperatures, come to a nice queue at the peage, dead stop for 2-3 minutes, and away you go.

 

the nocklink is just a visual display of extra noise coming from the engine, normaly caused by the timing of the explosion in the piston being slightly out, can be cause by a number of issues such as dodgy batch of fuel, to high inlet temps meaning less oxygen to burn etc etc. the burn speed in the piston tends to be varied by oxygen and octain levels as ui under stand it, sure someone will coreect me if im wrong.

i was seeing activity on mine and happened to be on the RR at dyno day a week or so later. was down on power and showing signs of extra noise. new batch of fuel and its pulling well and little activity on the nocklink points to it being a duff batch of fuel. although not the only possible cause.

active nock control basicly adjust the timing if it starts to happen, reducing the risk of serious not all aftermarket ecu's have it but its def something to have, pretty sure the standard ecu has it.

 

i love your arguments bob, 'i'm right, i have vast experiance, but no workshop. all the tests that have been carrerid out are wrong im right cos i know.'

yet you never ever back it up except for a theoreticle calculation done by andy F that bears no resemblance to a real world situation what so ever.

also the 'acomplished mapper' makes me larf, one disaplin that bears no resemblance to real world driving doesn't exactly justify that lol.

 

Tidgy - I've no connection to Bob and have never purchased anything from him. But I think you do yourself no favours by your last post. This thread was nicely back on topic until your rather personal tirade against him (and by implication, AndyF). You might also want to run your future posts through a spellchecker matey - people might then take you more seriously.

 

i'm known for my bad spelling :P lol

im no in anyway having a go at andy, no one can take away from him what he's achieve on the drag strip which is suberb. So if thats how it reads i appologise. but drag strip isn't the real world, you know that and i know that. Bob like's to drag andy's comment in at every opertunity he gets, as per said calculation, but the phyisics of it just don't work.

Its a long running thing with bob, so its more than just one thread.

 

Andy F does map lots of other cars apart from his own Tidgy that work really really well in the real world. No one can surely doubt his ability to extract the ultimate real-world performance from a car.

 

OK, apologies. I didn't realise there was more to more to this than meets the eye...

 

i'm aiming at bob's label rather than andy's ability i've no doubts at all hes extreamly capable. although it is all opinion as is bob's

 

Bob just tries to be controversial sometimes

 

not that we've noticed,,,,, lol


you still feeling left out?

 

Surely not ? I hadn't noticed.

 

Some people need to get in the festive mood

Not getting laid enough?

 

Here you go Tidge: https://www.scoobynet.com/muppet-roo...ml#post9103191

Let it all out

 

Diplomacy and sarcasm? I just doesn't wash with people.

To be honst i'm getting fed up of you jumping on threads trying to peddle your wares. The only advice i've seen you give out concerning items you sell has come off the back of real developers, researchers, fabricators and engine builders because you have admittedly stated that all you are is a seller of products. There is a big difference between what you 'think' and what you've 'experienced' compared to trial, experiment and record. Nearly every time i've mentioned FMIC's or TMIC's on a thread, you post up your phone number urging me to ring you for advice, in my eyes you act like a leech on the back of other peoples knowledge and for this reason i see why many individuals and outfits get annoyed at your appraoch. In one thread i posted you urged me to change to a FMIC from a STI 'newage' TMIC making claims about how the scoop is inefficient at high speeds , but then you contradict yourself by saying how good a setup it is????

 

Peddling our wares by giving a balanced view and telling people that a FMIC is not the best solution for all?

We sell FMICs not TMICs by the way, so shooting yourself in the foot somewhat.

Too many misled FMIC owners out there that have purchased of the back of so call "trial, experiment blah blah" wondering why there car isn't that quick in the real world.

Of the people participating on these threads and stocking FMICs you can hardly say I push FMICs.

Do my testing on the strip thanks, the bull$hit stops when the flag drops. I've lost count of how many people I have come accross wondering why there car isn't that quick and it's usually following the advice of blinkered FMIC salesmen.

Speak to experienced mappers who don't sell FMICs for the straight truth

 

Seems like a fair and balanced comment on your thread to me, listing both the pros and cons of both. Do the other sellers do that?

https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...tercooler.html

 

What evidence do you have that an STI v.8 bonnet scoop becomes less effective at high speed?