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I didn't realise that we were graced with so many structural engineers, demolitions experts and air crash investigators on ScoobyNet.
Either that or it is unqualified worthless opinion
Either that or it is unqualified worthless opinion

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Highjacking airliners, bringing down 2 of America's tallest buildings, while in the meantime setting Tower 7 alight without even touching it, and flying another highjacked plane into the pentagon on a flight path that is impossible to do.
And just walking onto a tube train with a home made bomb on your back.
Of course it's possible to fly on that flight path. They did it.Originally Posted by stilover
Slight difference between - Highjacking airliners, bringing down 2 of America's tallest buildings, while in the meantime setting Tower 7 alight without even touching it, and flying another highjacked plane into the pentagon on a flight path that is impossible to do.
And just walking onto a tube train with a home made bomb on your back.
Or are you saying that it was really a missile and that aircraft, it's crew and passengers disappeared?
Anyway, if Charlie Sheen wants answers, why doesn't he ask his dad?
President Josiah 'Jed' Bartlet (Character)
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Either that or it is unqualified worthless opinion
did you see a kangaroo in the cockpit flying the plane?Originally Posted by Daz34
I didn't realise that we were graced with so many structural engineers, demolitions experts and air crash investigators on ScoobyNet.Either that or it is unqualified worthless opinion
i'm not an astrophysicists-- but in my "unqualified worthless opinion" I think we went to the moon!!!!
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i'm not an astrophysicists-- but in my "unqualified worthless opinion" I think we went to the moon!!!!
Yeah but there is solid scientific evidence to back up your opinion Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
did you see a kangaroo in the cockpit flying the plane?i'm not an astrophysicists-- but in my "unqualified worthless opinion" I think we went to the moon!!!!

Anyway, it was a Wallaby. They have better dexterity and coordination.
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One of the things that make me wonder is what happened to the aircraft pieces from the one they said crashed into the Pentagon. You cannot have a full arcraft crash like that without piles of debris which they could never have cleared up in the time available. they were also incredibly quick to confiscate the CCTV film from thet garage which was near the crash.
The hole in the side of the Pentagon did not look as though it was made by an aircraft!
Les
The hole in the side of the Pentagon did not look as though it was made by an aircraft!
Les
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did you expect to see a cartoon shaped hole in the pentagon -- that's not how it happens

"It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
did you expect to see a cartoon shaped hole in the pentagon -- that's not how it happens

"It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
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The hole in the side of the Pentagon did not look as though it was made by an aircraft!
Les
There was plenty of debris from the plane, I don't know why people think there wasn't Originally Posted by Leslie
One of the things that make me wonder is what happened to the aircraft pieces from the one they said crashed into the Pentagon. You cannot have a full arcraft crash like that without piles of debris which they could never have cleared up in the time available. they were also incredibly quick to confiscate the CCTV film from thet garage which was near the crash.The hole in the side of the Pentagon did not look as though it was made by an aircraft!
Les

Independent computer models show exactly the kind of damage that was inflicted on the Pentagon. The hole that was there before the collapse also matches the type of hole which were seen during re-consrtuctions of firing scaled down models into simulated buildings.
Of course, all the eye witnesses that say they saw a plane fly so low over them on the freeway they had to duck and the people who saw it hit. But "truthers" like to pick the tiny minority of people who say otherwise

You'll never convince sime people, despite the fact that no evidence has ever come to light (nor is likely to) to support their version of events. Such is the delusion.
Geezer
I am not a conspiracy nut so I lean towards science and logic to make an opinion but mostly I try to remain analytical so when I read and watch videos from scientists who questions aspects of the 9/11 event I pay attention.
Steven E. Jones; A Physics Professor Speaks Out on 9-11
9/11 - 2/1/2006 BYU Professor Steven E Jones WTC Lecture UVSC
I prefer his style of questioning, avoid the conspiracy crap, don't make accusations or lay blame but simply question the right things and then backup your findings with solid and certified scientific reasoning.
This is the problem though, we are told time and time again that on the fateful day the laws of science, mechanics, engineering, architecture etc simply ceased to function... I find that hard to accept as someone who has an interest and is involved in science and technology.
Steven E. Jones; A Physics Professor Speaks Out on 9-11
9/11 - 2/1/2006 BYU Professor Steven E Jones WTC Lecture UVSC
I prefer his style of questioning, avoid the conspiracy crap, don't make accusations or lay blame but simply question the right things and then backup your findings with solid and certified scientific reasoning.
This is the problem though, we are told time and time again that on the fateful day the laws of science, mechanics, engineering, architecture etc simply ceased to function... I find that hard to accept as someone who has an interest and is involved in science and technology.
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Think dominoes. The one that is falling has just enough weight/mass and momentum to topple the next. It looks a very smooth process, does it not.Originally Posted by scrappydoo
there are so many unanwsered questions it staggers belief. Can anyone explain how the buildings fall in 'freefall' from top to bottom as there are floors which should obstruct this process, yet they fell unhindered all the way down. ????????
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Actually from what I've seen and read the buildings were built around a central structure. The central column above the damage collapsed and the structure below couldn't take the weight. There were no odd floors with extra support walls which would have caused them to fall at an angle.
Plus, has anyone ever watched a demolition prep? It takes weeks and miles of wiring. So assuming the towers were blown down deliberately that would suggest that the thousands of people working there didn't notice all the extra wiring or that the wiring and explosives were already in place. If the wiring and explosives were already in place thats alot of trust in 30 year old wires and TNT to fall exactly as required.
Deliberate demolition is cobblers!
Plus, has anyone ever watched a demolition prep? It takes weeks and miles of wiring. So assuming the towers were blown down deliberately that would suggest that the thousands of people working there didn't notice all the extra wiring or that the wiring and explosives were already in place. If the wiring and explosives were already in place thats alot of trust in 30 year old wires and TNT to fall exactly as required.
Deliberate demolition is cobblers!
the truthers rely on two things
1. the need for people to have everything in a nice box
2. and the natural confusion and inconsistancies that events like this generate
they use these two thing to inject doubts in people a weave a lod of bollox arond the central truth
of course their are questions yet to be fully answered -- science never expects to have all the answers straight away
but to go from that, quite natural position, to all the cr4p the "truthers" come with just belongs in La La land
and as Geezer rightly says when any of their claims are subjected to forensic analysis it crumbles into dust and they rely on the "secret goverment technology" arguement.
1. the need for people to have everything in a nice box
2. and the natural confusion and inconsistancies that events like this generate
they use these two thing to inject doubts in people a weave a lod of bollox arond the central truth
of course their are questions yet to be fully answered -- science never expects to have all the answers straight away
but to go from that, quite natural position, to all the cr4p the "truthers" come with just belongs in La La land
and as Geezer rightly says when any of their claims are subjected to forensic analysis it crumbles into dust and they rely on the "secret goverment technology" arguement.



