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09 March 2002, 09:57 PM
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Dougie - wasnt aimed at you personally mate - I have never had a run-in with you 
It was a considered reply - you would NOT have liked being on the end of an unconsidered one from me
My point remains, whether you can hear me as your head is up your 4rse!!
is:-
NO Film, Book or Play would EVER get written if it could only be written if it didnt upset ANYONE - would it?? If you agree - as you should - then you will see the huge hole in your argument !!
Did you enjoy the Titanic film?? Shouldnt have been made should it?? there were people still alive who survived and lost loved ones!! so, if you had your way that film would have been banned?
Game, set and match to me??
You can take your head out your 4rse now!
Pete
It was a considered reply - you would NOT have liked being on the end of an unconsidered one from me
My point remains, whether you can hear me as your head is up your 4rse!!
is:-NO Film, Book or Play would EVER get written if it could only be written if it didnt upset ANYONE - would it?? If you agree - as you should - then you will see the huge hole in your argument !!
Did you enjoy the Titanic film?? Shouldnt have been made should it?? there were people still alive who survived and lost loved ones!! so, if you had your way that film would have been banned?
Game, set and match to me??
You can take your head out your 4rse now!
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09 March 2002, 10:14 PM
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The very same Lanark. Its got a great windy road called the clydeside, brilliant for driving a scooby at 30mph
Oh, also plenty of garden centres to stop at on a sunday drive.
Ps Boro have got no chance of a draw. Away win
Dougie
The very same Lanark. Its got a great windy road called the clydeside, brilliant for driving a scooby at 30mph
Oh, also plenty of garden centres to stop at on a sunday drive.
Ps Boro have got no chance of a draw. Away win
Dougie
09 March 2002, 10:31 PM
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Lovely place Dougie - away win?? hmm we shall see!
Beter not take the thread over talking about Lanark and football - its about speeding and speeding KILLS!!!!!!!!!
Goodnight
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Beter not take the thread over talking about Lanark and football - its about speeding and speeding KILLS!!!!!!!!!
Goodnight
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09 March 2002, 11:15 PM
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Think I have done my last 160+ mph stint after reading this. Have only done it on quiet/empty stretches of motorway/dual carriageway a few times. Thats one hell of a punishment. I also believe there wouldn't be much difference in coming off at 100 and 160, the result hitting other vehicles I think would be the same - death to those involved yet 100 mph seems much more acceptable in people's eyes. Especially difficult to understand that way of thinking when u think how much more damage a car at 100 would do compared to a bike doing 160 and how many times do u see cars doing 100 mph on motorways???
pslewis, never commented on you before as always found it amusing reading your comments but I think it may have been better if you had said at the beginning of your story, 'imagine the folowing situation' as I too for a moment was taken in by your story, having lost my youngest son, first thought was oh **** there is someone else here who also knows what its like to lose a child only then to find out it was made up. Thats my honest opinion. Saying certain things can distract peoples attention away from the point attempted at being made. Not having ago, simply raising a point...
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pslewis, never commented on you before as always found it amusing reading your comments but I think it may have been better if you had said at the beginning of your story, 'imagine the folowing situation' as I too for a moment was taken in by your story, having lost my youngest son, first thought was oh **** there is someone else here who also knows what its like to lose a child only then to find out it was made up. Thats my honest opinion. Saying certain things can distract peoples attention away from the point attempted at being made. Not having ago, simply raising a point...
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09 March 2002, 11:29 PM
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I feel I need to make some sort of comment, seeing as how I started this thread.
I should have known that there would be great divide of opinions on this matter.
I must say that I was shocked at the sentence that was passed in this case.
Having said that, the guy deserved to loose his license for a LONG TIME, and possibly even be forced to sell his bike.
160 mph is not excusable anywhere, except maybe on a track.
If you're not going to think of yourself, then think of the family you might wipe out.
Pete, I must admit that I had a lump in my throat reading your 'story'. I agree it could have been proceeded by a 'imagine this situation', but it definitely got a point across.
A common argument I hear for speeding being okay is that speeding isn't dangerous, inapropriate speeding is dangerous. Most people also seem to be of the opinion that they are able to judge the conditions and pick an appropriate speed.
Bollocks ...
I've been on several organised meets where some of the driving has been nothing short of dangerous.
Maybe its time we start to think about our loved ones before we speed (as we all do, some more than others).
This has turned into a bit of a ramble, I try and stay away from threads on speeding because they are like arguments on religion, everyone is right and there is no way that they will acknowledge the arguments from the other side, or entertain the fact that they may be wrong.
That's all for now, I promise to stay out of any future speeding threads
All of the above is in my honest opinion.
Thanks,
Andrew.
I should have known that there would be great divide of opinions on this matter.
I must say that I was shocked at the sentence that was passed in this case.
Having said that, the guy deserved to loose his license for a LONG TIME, and possibly even be forced to sell his bike.
160 mph is not excusable anywhere, except maybe on a track.
If you're not going to think of yourself, then think of the family you might wipe out.
Pete, I must admit that I had a lump in my throat reading your 'story'. I agree it could have been proceeded by a 'imagine this situation', but it definitely got a point across.
A common argument I hear for speeding being okay is that speeding isn't dangerous, inapropriate speeding is dangerous. Most people also seem to be of the opinion that they are able to judge the conditions and pick an appropriate speed.
Bollocks ...
I've been on several organised meets where some of the driving has been nothing short of dangerous.
Maybe its time we start to think about our loved ones before we speed (as we all do, some more than others).
This has turned into a bit of a ramble, I try and stay away from threads on speeding because they are like arguments on religion, everyone is right and there is no way that they will acknowledge the arguments from the other side, or entertain the fact that they may be wrong.
That's all for now, I promise to stay out of any future speeding threads
All of the above is in my honest opinion.
Thanks,
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10 March 2002, 05:28 AM
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You can only sentence someone for what they have done ie. 160mph
Not what they could have done ie. murder, kill, death. It may be fast but he was still only speeding. People get out in less than a year for manslaughter. STUPID.
Not what they could have done ie. murder, kill, death. It may be fast but he was still only speeding. People get out in less than a year for manslaughter. STUPID.
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therealways seems a desire here to get people who do things that we do/may want to do off because people who do worse things get an easier time!
anyone caught speeding seems to get the "ohhhh, and i could rape someone and get less" response. surley that is an issue with the rape/violentcrime/theft system not the speeding one. In fact if all other crime was sentanced using the speeding laws/punishment as a basis point we would be a lot better off.
This bbs is like PMQ's at times! One half of the house says "oh, you have no idea how to run the trains" to which the other side responds "ahh, but its better than how you ran the health service"
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ps- 160 deserves big ban and 6 months if i was the judge (and if he crash and hurt my family i'd kill him, although i dont know how that woul affect my new job as a judge!)
pps- 160 in a stolen car deserves 5 years
pps- i thought petes original post was rather good and his haynes post rather funny (i have also burnt my hand on a hot engine so perhaps we could start a class action against them?!)
anyone caught speeding seems to get the "ohhhh, and i could rape someone and get less" response. surley that is an issue with the rape/violentcrime/theft system not the speeding one. In fact if all other crime was sentanced using the speeding laws/punishment as a basis point we would be a lot better off.
This bbs is like PMQ's at times! One half of the house says "oh, you have no idea how to run the trains" to which the other side responds "ahh, but its better than how you ran the health service"
Tiggs
ps- 160 deserves big ban and 6 months if i was the judge (and if he crash and hurt my family i'd kill him, although i dont know how that woul affect my new job as a judge!)
pps- 160 in a stolen car deserves 5 years
pps- i thought petes original post was rather good and his haynes post rather funny (i have also burnt my hand on a hot engine so perhaps we could start a class action against them?!)
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PS Lewis - You said: "...If you agree - as you should - then you will see the huge hole in your argument !!
Did you enjoy the Titanic film?? Shouldnt have been made should it?? there were people still alive who survived and lost loved ones!! so, if you had your way that film would have been banned?..."
That shows a huge hole in your argument - Titanic was poo, especially when you are forced to watch it over and over by your missus (who never fails to cry at the end), the film should never have been made, and all those involved in it's making should be shot.
Did you enjoy the Titanic film?? Shouldnt have been made should it?? there were people still alive who survived and lost loved ones!! so, if you had your way that film would have been banned?..."
That shows a huge hole in your argument - Titanic was poo, especially when you are forced to watch it over and over by your missus (who never fails to cry at the end), the film should never have been made, and all those involved in it's making should be shot.
10 March 2002, 06:57 PM
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I travelled at 147mph once in my Calibra for about 3 miles on an empty dual carraigeway, I have to admit, I was amazed at how 'slow' bends become 'very fast' bends!!
Ermmm, Simple vector physics pete, the faster you go the more dificult it is to take a line you want to. Hope your tyres were rated properly otherwise you were being a complete head case, even on an empty, straight road.
Waste of a good cell for a piece of scum who should be locked up. One of the reasons the UK is now in such a mess is due to a lack of prison cells, sentances like this really help dont they.
10 March 2002, 08:27 PM
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This country makes me sick to the stomach. Ok the biker was breaking the law but who else hasn't speeded at such an excess on the public highways before. As an ex-biker myself i can put my hands up and admit i've done the same.
A long driving ban and a hefty fine is enough for this bloke to realise what he has done was wrong and not a prison sentence. His life is ruined, job prospects, mortgage, spouses etc. Does he realy need to go to jail, locked away from public because of this so called crime.
The law is not an ****....
ITS THE JUDGES THAT WE SHOULD CONDEMN!
It's the same judges that fail to commit repeat offenders to long term custodial sentences, the same judges that let young offenders off with just community service orders. And yet we all know that thes ******* are the ones committing most of the anti-social behaviour so prevelent in todays society.
Bring back corporal punishment!
A long driving ban and a hefty fine is enough for this bloke to realise what he has done was wrong and not a prison sentence. His life is ruined, job prospects, mortgage, spouses etc. Does he realy need to go to jail, locked away from public because of this so called crime.
The law is not an ****....
ITS THE JUDGES THAT WE SHOULD CONDEMN!
It's the same judges that fail to commit repeat offenders to long term custodial sentences, the same judges that let young offenders off with just community service orders. And yet we all know that thes ******* are the ones committing most of the anti-social behaviour so prevelent in todays society.
Bring back corporal punishment!
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The last guys that tried to steal my Scoob were caught on camera and had a record as they were recognised from the Police files.
They were arrested and charged with attempted breaking and entering and trespassing as I frightened them off before they actually got in. They got £100 fine each and 4 weeks community service!!!!
Nuff saif
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They were arrested and charged with attempted breaking and entering and trespassing as I frightened them off before they actually got in. They got £100 fine each and 4 weeks community service!!!!
Nuff saif
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11 March 2002, 11:58 AM
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I think the fact that the judge deemed this to be a totally premeditated act also had something to do with the long sentance. We have all had moments where we 'find' ourselves travelling over the speed limit, BUT it looks as though this guy set out to do it. He also had a history of speeding which included a ban. I was shocked to read Pslewis post but I think it made a point really well. I see less and less police on the motorways now and get the impression that the police are 'mostly' trying to clamp down on speeding in accident blackspots. I realise this is not true all of the time, but some people can be too quick to criticise the police and the legal system.
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Would be interesting to see the video so we could make an informed view / opinnion...
Does seem a bit harsh and that he has been made an example of.
My bike will be sticking nearer the 70mph mark from now on thats for sure. The example works!
JGM
Does seem a bit harsh and that he has been made an example of.
My bike will be sticking nearer the 70mph mark from now on thats for sure. The example works!
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11 March 2002, 01:07 PM
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Of the beaten track a little but - Is it possible to control a tyre blow out at 160mph? and how far would it take to stop?
Police do a good job - system is pants and due to become even worse as new human rights laws are passed to ensure that inmates get a manacure at least once a week, and get councelling support for the trauma of being caught - far worse than being the victim.
Police do a good job - system is pants and due to become even worse as new human rights laws are passed to ensure that inmates get a manacure at least once a week, and get councelling support for the trauma of being caught - far worse than being the victim.
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Wasn't there a similar case in Tokyo where a chap took his F40 with an on board video camera. If I recall correctly, police picked up a copy of this video at a local market and used in as evidence to convict him. Doh!
11 March 2002, 01:32 PM
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...was prosecuted on the strength of this video...
11 March 2002, 01:33 PM
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The sentence seems disproportionate but are we getting the full story?. I've done a similar (indicated) speed on the same roads as this chap - only once mind you. One sixty five appears ridiculous on paper but on a bike you gain and lose speed so quickly it's easily achieved. And what about those off-duty coppers caught doing 120+ on their bikes past Trawsfynydd power station (near Dolgellau north Wales) not so long back. Don't remember them being made an example of. The point was made as well that this chap is quite an accomplished rider. My guess is he'll appeal and get his sentence reduced.
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It doesn't matter how accomplished he was.
Thats like saying its okay for Michael Schumacher to do 165 roundthe country lanes in his F1 car because he's quite a tasty driver!
If someone had broken down or whatever whilst he's flying round the corner on the wrong side of the road he's gonna cause a very nasty accident and not be around to see the consequences. I don't have a problem with him not being around but I do have a problem with the innocent people getting maimed / killed.
If he's such a speed freak its not too much of a problem to get it onto a track is it?
Personally I MIGHT be more lenient if it were a motorway as he can at least see some distance up the road then
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Thats like saying its okay for Michael Schumacher to do 165 roundthe country lanes in his F1 car because he's quite a tasty driver!
If someone had broken down or whatever whilst he's flying round the corner on the wrong side of the road he's gonna cause a very nasty accident and not be around to see the consequences. I don't have a problem with him not being around but I do have a problem with the innocent people getting maimed / killed.
If he's such a speed freak its not too much of a problem to get it onto a track is it?
Personally I MIGHT be more lenient if it were a motorway as he can at least see some distance up the road then
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He may have been travelling at a speed where he could stop within the distance he could see. Without seeing the video you should not judge and condemn on your possibly incorrect assumption, in my opinion cornering at 165mph is unlikely even on a circuit.
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whilst he's flying round the corner on the wrong side of the road
But reports say he was flying round corners on the wrong side of the road, which is what I put.
A MOTORCYCLE enthusiast who used a video camera to record himself speeding at 165mph through country lanes was jailed for 12 months yesterday.
Wayne Soman, a 32-year-old carpenter, had eluded police speed cameras before being pulled over at a checkpoint last September. However, he became the author of his own downfall when traffic police on the A40 at Llandovery, Dyfed, noticed the camera strapped to the petrol tank and demanded that he re-play the tape.
Further inspection revealed a hydraulic device Soman had fitted to his 900cc Kawasaki to tilt his number plate to make it indecipherable to police cars and cameras. After viewing just three minutes of the footage - the bike's speedometer and rev counter clearly visible at the bottom of the frame - police arrested Soman.
The home-made "speed camera" was played yesterday at Swansea crown court to Judge Peter Griffiths, who shook his head in disbelief. It showed Soman, who pleaded guilty to dangerous driving, giving a thumbs-up to the camera before setting off from his home in Pontypridd.
Although Soman did slow to the required 30mph in villages and built-up areas he accelerated to more than 150mph on the A470 from Merthyr and topped 165mph approaching Brecon. Then he turned left on to "little more than a country lane" and swerved around blind bends at 100mph.
After joining the A40 he reached 130mph "numerous" times before being waved down by police trying to curb motorcyclists who frequently raced on the road. Four had died in high-speed crashes over the previous weekend.
Soman had been travelling so fast that he covered the equivalent of three-quarters of a football pitch in one second, the court heard. David Harries, defending, described his client as a dedicated motor-cyclist, "a fanatic", adding in mitigation that he had since sold his bike "at the insistence of the lady in his life".
Judge Griffiths, while acknowledging Soman's "undoubted driving skills", was not to be dissuaded from a custodial sentence. He jailed Soman, who had two previous convictions for speeding, for 12 months, banned him from driving for three years and ordered him to take an extended driving test on his release.
He said: "Effectively, you used the public highway as a race track. You were overtaking at speeds well in excess of 130 mph, squeezing past on-coming traffic. Any reasonable motorist would have said, 'here's a maniac'."
"You planned to drive as fast as you could and film yourself doing it. It was an appalling, outrageous piece of dangerous driving and it would be ridiculous not to send you to jail."
Wayne Soman, a 32-year-old carpenter, had eluded police speed cameras before being pulled over at a checkpoint last September. However, he became the author of his own downfall when traffic police on the A40 at Llandovery, Dyfed, noticed the camera strapped to the petrol tank and demanded that he re-play the tape.
Further inspection revealed a hydraulic device Soman had fitted to his 900cc Kawasaki to tilt his number plate to make it indecipherable to police cars and cameras. After viewing just three minutes of the footage - the bike's speedometer and rev counter clearly visible at the bottom of the frame - police arrested Soman.
The home-made "speed camera" was played yesterday at Swansea crown court to Judge Peter Griffiths, who shook his head in disbelief. It showed Soman, who pleaded guilty to dangerous driving, giving a thumbs-up to the camera before setting off from his home in Pontypridd.
Although Soman did slow to the required 30mph in villages and built-up areas he accelerated to more than 150mph on the A470 from Merthyr and topped 165mph approaching Brecon. Then he turned left on to "little more than a country lane" and swerved around blind bends at 100mph.
After joining the A40 he reached 130mph "numerous" times before being waved down by police trying to curb motorcyclists who frequently raced on the road. Four had died in high-speed crashes over the previous weekend.
Soman had been travelling so fast that he covered the equivalent of three-quarters of a football pitch in one second, the court heard. David Harries, defending, described his client as a dedicated motor-cyclist, "a fanatic", adding in mitigation that he had since sold his bike "at the insistence of the lady in his life".
Judge Griffiths, while acknowledging Soman's "undoubted driving skills", was not to be dissuaded from a custodial sentence. He jailed Soman, who had two previous convictions for speeding, for 12 months, banned him from driving for three years and ordered him to take an extended driving test on his release.
He said: "Effectively, you used the public highway as a race track. You were overtaking at speeds well in excess of 130 mph, squeezing past on-coming traffic. Any reasonable motorist would have said, 'here's a maniac'."
"You planned to drive as fast as you could and film yourself doing it. It was an appalling, outrageous piece of dangerous driving and it would be ridiculous not to send you to jail."
You were overtaking at speeds well in excess of 130 mph, squeezing past on-coming traffic. Any reasonable motorist would have said, 'here's a maniac'."
In light of the evidence above mlud, I'm presuming you withdraw your defence, or are you thinking he could stop safely from a speed in excess of 100mph whilst travelling round a blind corner??
Remember the original link was somewhat biased in favour of speeders as it hails from speedtrap.co.uk or some such site
12 March 2002, 12:33 AM
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How long before someone is prosecuted solely on the strength of a posting to a BBS. "It was a mistype, your honour, it should have read 47mph." Judge (a calibra driver), "Thought so, absolute discharge."
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Well, just to put things in perspective in the paper this morning I read about a convicted rapist who has been released after 18 months...............tell me there's not something wrong!!
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no worries speedking, the original article didn't really highlight what he'd been up to.
and yes, there most definately is something wrong with a lot of the sentences being served, or not even handed out etc. Any idea what we can do about it short of forming our own political party?
Kanu's brother (Arsenal football player) threatened in home with gun for car:
http://www.planetfootball.com/Articl...+Kanu%27s+home
and yes, there most definately is something wrong with a lot of the sentences being served, or not even handed out etc. Any idea what we can do about it short of forming our own political party?
Kanu's brother (Arsenal football player) threatened in home with gun for car:
http://www.planetfootball.com/Articl...+Kanu%27s+home
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Comming from a biker's point of view and i have been on the road on a bike now 7 years, and i have been riding since i was four and have only recently (1.5yrs) ago got myself a car license.
The chap in concern in my mind deserved a ban, if it were not for his own video than nobody would have been any the wiser to this guys antic's. No body was hurt, thankfully...so why did he end up in jail.
I'm sorry et all, flame suit on but the judicial system needs seriously revisting like has been said several times now, my mate was killed by an by a drunk driver and he got 6 months inside...BTTT how can you justfy that.
N.B - one for the bikers here but as far as i know 80% of all accidents invloving a bike happen in towns or city's not country lanes, and largely there is a car at fault, as a rule bikers even those that speed are in perfect control, however the question is are you being fair ? I dont think so (however i dont know that it wont stop me doing 60 in a 50)maybee it should !!
Fek this lets all walk !!!
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The chap in concern in my mind deserved a ban, if it were not for his own video than nobody would have been any the wiser to this guys antic's. No body was hurt, thankfully...so why did he end up in jail.
I'm sorry et all, flame suit on but the judicial system needs seriously revisting like has been said several times now, my mate was killed by an by a drunk driver and he got 6 months inside...BTTT how can you justfy that.
N.B - one for the bikers here but as far as i know 80% of all accidents invloving a bike happen in towns or city's not country lanes, and largely there is a car at fault, as a rule bikers even those that speed are in perfect control, however the question is are you being fair ? I dont think so (however i dont know that it wont stop me doing 60 in a 50)maybee it should !!
Fek this lets all walk !!!
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Feckin ridiculous or what. Obviously 160mph on a public road is slightly irresponsible to say the least, but if I remember correctly this guy had a wife and kids and no previous run-ins with the law. The kids lose their dad for a year, due to a traffic offense which (fortunately) caused no harm to anyone.
Contrast that with the sentences you see on 'Police, Camera, Action'. Scumbag steals a car, gets chased for 30 minutes, smashes the car twice, mounts the pavement, drives into oncoming traffic then eventually stacks it at a junction. 12 month ban, 250 quid fine. [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
It just shows you that our judicial system tends to treat potentially dangerous crimes more seriously than those which actually resulted in damage to persons/property.
Food for thought: the same speed would be perfectly legal on certain parts of the Isle Of Man, yet here it's treated along similar lines to armed robbery. As a biker this makes me particularly mad - Beckham wouldn't have gotten the same sentence if he was caught doing 160 in his 550 Maranello.
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[Edited by whip - 3/9/2002 9:43:53 AM]
Contrast that with the sentences you see on 'Police, Camera, Action'. Scumbag steals a car, gets chased for 30 minutes, smashes the car twice, mounts the pavement, drives into oncoming traffic then eventually stacks it at a junction. 12 month ban, 250 quid fine. [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
It just shows you that our judicial system tends to treat potentially dangerous crimes more seriously than those which actually resulted in damage to persons/property.
Food for thought: the same speed would be perfectly legal on certain parts of the Isle Of Man, yet here it's treated along similar lines to armed robbery. As a biker this makes me particularly mad - Beckham wouldn't have gotten the same sentence if he was caught doing 160 in his 550 Maranello.
Whip
[Edited by whip - 3/9/2002 9:43:53 AM]