lazy

Seems wrong to me.

55WRX figures are the same as what i get, you were doing 25mph. But do ask for clarification on this if you are going to challange the ticket.

My speedo also says i'm going faster than my sat nav does.

Good luck!!

major

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"it was parked on the grass verge next to the bus stop in the second picture"

Make sure if a speed camera or mobile speed camera allow or approved at the time of incident"parked on the grass verge next to the bus stop in the second picture"

urban

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Contest it.

You'll proablay have to pay the fine either way, but you'll avoid points assuming they issue points that it.

A work colleague's father was fined in N.Ireland a few years ago for 77 on the motorway.
He got a fine (can't remember how much) and 3 points.
Traffic copy told him in plain and simple English "Look, i've targets to make. Contest it and you'll get away with the points, but you'll have to pay the fine"

cster

I don't get it - how can they fine you and not give you points?

hodgy0_2

good point -- check to see if they do a driver awareness course

i would be surprised if you were not offered one , if it is availalable

I was in Bournemouth last year

Paul3446

When I'm doing 30 my speedo reads 33, classic MY00.

Norman Dog

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Talking to a couple of lads and work and apparently you do get offered the chance of a driver awareness course, costs £5 more than the fine but you don't get the points.

If I was to fight it and lose, would be looking at court costs, solicitors costs and time wasted off work.

Not really worth the hassle for £65, although can't say I'm happy about it.

Feel like driving past that camera next time at 15mph giving it the , although no doubt some dangerous/careless/inconsiderate driving charge would follow..

Minitrue

People not speeding have been prosecuted for that exact gesture (I saw the pictures in the paper)!

chocolate_o_brian

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Can't really offer any advice Mr Dog, but I could be in a similar boat to yourself...
https://www.scoobynet.com/other-marq...ution-pug.html

scooby1doo1

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As long as you have 1 hand on the wheel, i no i dun it so now 1 handed and the other give them a big NOT i have been done a few times some not my fault.

55WRX

Before you decide to pay the fine, why don't you contact the police and ask them to explain how you were doing 35mph when the photo evidence clearly shows you were doing 25mph. Draw their attention to the time distance calculations. If you went to court, the charges would be dropped because the evidence is flawed.
Don't take it on the chin. Ask them to clarify it before paying anything.

shep_UKSpec

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Yeah the mobile vans have to callibrated everyday before the vans go out and the static cameras ones are once a month

arumdevil

Yeah **** that. If the evidnce shows you were doing 25mph then pay them nothing, tell them to sit on your finger!!!

Extorting *******s.

cster

As there is 3 seconds difference and either end-reading could be plus or minus .49 of a second - you could be wasting your time and risk looking foolish.
If that doesn't bother you - go for it.
It is a shame we (as a democratic society) have decided to be policed by cameras, as this should really be dealt with by a chat.
That is a dual carriageway I gather?

dunx

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All you need is a friendly Rolling Road operator to confirm that your car had an UNKNOWN defect that caused your speed to be displayed incorrectly...
as with insurance convictions, if you can prove there was no REASONABLE way you could know you weren't insured, (i.e. company car ) they will drop the charges.

Fight every inch.

dunx

stuartknox

hi

i just got caught doing 35 in a 30 also, 3 points and £60 and no offer of a driver improvement course, although that was cleveland police who love speed cameras as a revenue catcher! Cleveland police state they will charge anyone above 34mph so 35 and over is there money maker!

Totally pissed as just got my license clean

*****

Crosstalk

I checked and you're right. Even allowing for the fact that there are no 10ths of seconds available on the time data, at least 3 seconds must have elapsed between frames, and this could in fact be closer to 4 seconds, making actual speed even slower. Do we have the data from the 3rd picture too? This is definitely something to go on, if they can rely on photos to prove an offence, surely they equally prove none took place and their data is wrong!

There is no way the times, distances and speed claimed add up.

DEEDEE

Send this information to the Police who sent it to you, (check it first) but if this is correct, it proves you are innocent and they are wrong they might just drop it there and then, if the calculations are right, the Judge would see an error on the Polices behalf.


In the photo's above, the first shot at 140.3m was at 13:37:53 The second was at 107m at 13:37:56

You had travelled 33.3 metres in 3 seconds which is 11.1metres/second, which is 25mph. You would have needed to travel 15.64 metres per second or 46.9 metres in the 3 second gap from the time of the first photo. In other words, the second reading, if you were doing 35mph would be at 93.4m not 107m.

cster

It could just as well be 2.000001 sec which would make it over 37 mph.

oobyJu

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same car same rims here and to actually be doing 35 my speedo needs to be reading 38, so if you're certain then their camera probably wasn't calibrated that day. They know this but of course won't tell you so ask for the calibration certificate for that day (apparently you can do this, wish i'd have known last ticket) if others have also done this then they'll likely drop it. Calibration is often skipped as it takes 4 officers, 2 in the car 2 behind the camera (so i was told, makes sense,1 to read 1 to verify) so if this is true it sounds likely to get skipped quite often, assuming people won't argue for fear of more points and bigger fine. Criminal i call it, don't let 'em get away with it, you'll wish you hadn't if you get any more.

speedking

cster is correct. Crosstalk is wrong. Time difference could be 56.01 - 53.99 = 2.02s with a speed of 37mph. No get out there

Interesting that the camera moves from targetting the numberplate to targetting the bonnet. That must have an effect on the reading and cast doubt on the effectiveness of the operator

Tenby

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this is what garage door openers are for

Timwinner

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Mine over reads too, road angel will 65 when my speedo says 70. Be careful with this one, If you claim your speedo was faulty that leaves you open to getting VDRS, so you will get stung twice.
The guide lines will allow 35mph but guidelines and law are two different things, this is the problem with cameras, You can see by the traffic and the location you were no threat to anyone but a camera has no discretion.

fivetide

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Were they just before or just after the bus stop? Remember they have to be cited well away from street furniture because it affects the beam.

The 10% plus two is a guideline only i'm afraid, speeding is an absolute offence. 31 in a 30 is speeding. The guideline is because speedos over read. To be clocked doing 35 you would need to have been up near the 40mph mark on your speedo.

With that in mind, i know mine (also an 03 WRX on standard tyres) over reads quite a bit, around 4mph so if you are really sure that the speedo was at 30 then 25mph sounds about right.

Your other option is/was (not sure how you go on now you've gone public) is to ignore it and see if they bother to follow up.

As it is a numbers game they are often too busy sorting out all the ones that do pay. Plus they aren't sent registered post so you never got this did you?

They have 6 months to follow up and get you to court.

5t.

Crosstalk

Yup, I see that now...

Steve001

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you really need to get on the pepipoo site some very good advise on there

FightBack Forums

as to the above, 56.01 - 53.99 is just speculation , last i heard speculation does not stand up in court

Arkwright

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There was a programme on telly several years ago about false speed readings given if the camera operator doesn`t hold the camera steady on the same piece of the car. ie if he hits the number plate as in the 1st photo then half way up the bonnet in the second the readings ( time/distance ) can be way out. There is also a guy known for getting people off speeding tickets an internet search for him might be worth a try. I think he provides a letter you send with your details.
Good luck don`t take it lying down more that prove them wrong better chance for the rest of us.

Norman Dog

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Thanks for the advice everyone, have posted this up on PepiPoo, hopefully someone there can let me know if this one's worth fighting.


Caught at 35, Sure I was only doing 30! - FightBack Forums

Ved

I got done at the same speed when i had a MY08 STI for the day and it (like mine) reads 40 when doing 35. I thought I was in a 40, got sent on a superb driving awareness course and had the 3 points removed. I would hope you get sent on that as it's MUCH better than getting points and you will learn a lot.

If you think your speedo is off then it may be an MOT failure so I think it best to suck it up, take the points and learn as you were doing 35mph. Perhaps get a mate's satnav and see what your ACTUAL speed is against what your car says on the speedo.

Steve001

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dont think i have ever heard of the speedo being checked on an MOT

BTW how accurate are SatNav speedo's?

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