Quick Question About Police 'Random Stop Checks'
20 February 2009, 01:07 PM
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Since they will always have the whip hand, I would say it is always sensible to cooperate with them. Even if you don't have to tell them all that information, it does no harm to do so and you are less likely to get the deeper inquisition if you satisfy them in the first place, even if it feels like an imposition as far as you are concerned.
Means that you are more likely to be back on your way that much more quickly I would think.
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Means that you are more likely to be back on your way that much more quickly I would think.
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20 February 2009, 04:44 PM
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Here's a question I've always wanted to ask Pierre. What is a reasonable distance to stop when you are pulled? Would it be feasible to ignore the following police car and drive with them following to the local station for fear of being pulled over by some dodgy geezers with blue lights? At what point does it become failing to stop, and how do you indicate to them that you want them to following you back to the station for safety reasons?
You could use that as a defence in court lol.
Fail to stop is like many things and open to interpretation. 1st safe place is the usual place to pull over.
20 February 2009, 04:55 PM
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The 0-30 mph drag race is usually treated as "misuse of the gears"... aimed at bikers screaming through town in first gear, (usually on one wheel in my day).
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20 February 2009, 06:32 PM
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This isn't something that bothers me too much, but it has irritated me a few times...
I've been stopped by the Police quite a few times over the years for 'random checks': although it's really because most of my cars stick out like a sore thumb. I'm always asked where I've been, where I'm going, and what I've been doing etc - to me this is none of their business, but since I hate lying, I usually just tell them exactly what I've been doing.
Would I be right in saying they have no right to this information if it's just a random stop check? Might sound a bit d*ckish, but I like my privacy and don't feel I need to explain my day/night to someone I don't know.
So could I just politely refuse to answer without giving them cause to go over my car until they find some minor fault with my car that's in their handbook?
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I've been stopped by the Police quite a few times over the years for 'random checks': although it's really because most of my cars stick out like a sore thumb. I'm always asked where I've been, where I'm going, and what I've been doing etc - to me this is none of their business, but since I hate lying, I usually just tell them exactly what I've been doing.
Would I be right in saying they have no right to this information if it's just a random stop check? Might sound a bit d*ckish, but I like my privacy and don't feel I need to explain my day/night to someone I don't know.
So could I just politely refuse to answer without giving them cause to go over my car until they find some minor fault with my car that's in their handbook?
Alan
Without stopping the car, the opportunity to deal with the stolen car/ drugged driver/ burglar is gone.
If your car is stolen while you are asleep, would you rather the officer not bother stopping it?
20 February 2009, 07:13 PM
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The "random checks" are one of the police's most basic tools in detecting crime. A PNC check will only reveal a car as stolen if the owner is aware. Car's are used to transport stolen property, carry drugs, driven under the influence of drink or drugs. A car matching a description of yours may have been involved in an incident.
Without stopping the car, the opportunity to deal with the stolen car/ drugged driver/ burglar is gone.
If your car is stolen while you are asleep, would you rather the officer not bother stopping it?
Without stopping the car, the opportunity to deal with the stolen car/ drugged driver/ burglar is gone.
If your car is stolen while you are asleep, would you rather the officer not bother stopping it?
20 February 2009, 07:38 PM
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Have you seen that video where someone pulls over and asks a patrolling police officer if they would be so kind as to direct them to the local "Crack house"
I think it was on America's dumbest criminals.
20 February 2009, 09:10 PM
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The questions are asked for a reason, to establish ownership of the car, or its whereabouts when a similar car was maybe upto no good. Without asking simple (meaningless to some) questions and establishing facts, you could find yourself being detained longer while further enquiries are completed away from the location you are stopped.
20 February 2009, 10:18 PM
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Sometimes people just implicate themselves without being asked anything:
Have you seen that video where someone pulls over and asks a patrolling police officer if they would be so kind as to direct them to the local "Crack house"
I think it was on America's dumbest criminals.
Have you seen that video where someone pulls over and asks a patrolling police officer if they would be so kind as to direct them to the local "Crack house"
I think it was on America's dumbest criminals.
I once pulled a chap over for a drink drive check. No smell of booze but he seemed very nervous. He had a small bag on the seagt next to him which I had no grounds to search really.
I asked him what was in it and he gave a dry gulp before saying to me, "my week's worth of weed - just been to buy it". Idiot
20 February 2009, 10:40 PM
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LOL.
I once pulled a chap over for a drink drive check. No smell of booze but he seemed very nervous. He had a small bag on the seagt next to him which I had no grounds to search really.
I asked him what was in it and he gave a dry gulp before saying to me, "my week's worth of weed - just been to buy it". Idiot
I once pulled a chap over for a drink drive check. No smell of booze but he seemed very nervous. He had a small bag on the seagt next to him which I had no grounds to search really.
I asked him what was in it and he gave a dry gulp before saying to me, "my week's worth of weed - just been to buy it". Idiot
But you would have looked at it anyway, then what? Surely honesty is likely to maybe just getting it confiscated.
I have been pulled over probably hundreds of times in my driving life, always found that if you pull up safely get out of the car before them, walk up to them with your keys clearly in your hand and no attitude you are more than likely driving away with a ticking off and no more.
At the end of the day they are being paid by the hour, so it's no skin off their nose if you prolong the tug by making things more difficult than it should be.
20 February 2009, 10:43 PM
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No, I probably wouldn't have looked in it. No whiff of anything and he was with it and not stoned.
Confiscation is the only option anyway with the amount he had. That and a pointless cannabis warning.
Confiscation is the only option anyway with the amount he had. That and a pointless cannabis warning.
20 February 2009, 10:57 PM
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20 February 2009, 11:06 PM
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This has turned out to be an interesting thread...and the only Police related thread on ScoobyNet that hasn't turned into a slagging match.
There's still time though
There's still time though
20 February 2009, 11:38 PM
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If the officer in question deems the amount so small that it is not worth sending off for analysis; if the officer is feeling kind and using discretion wrongly; if the person in possession can prove to the officer that they had no idea the substance was in their possession; if the officer is lazy; if the officer is not of good character.
Probably more. But you get the picture.
Probably more. But you get the picture.
20 February 2009, 11:45 PM
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20 February 2009, 11:51 PM
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I've never been tested other than when I 1st joined.
There's no prior knowledge of testing AFAIK. Would be pointless otherwise.
I was in the RAF until 02 and they used to close off the whole station and pick at random - same in the police I think.
What do you do?
There's no prior knowledge of testing AFAIK. Would be pointless otherwise.
I was in the RAF until 02 and they used to close off the whole station and pick at random - same in the police I think.
What do you do?
20 February 2009, 11:54 PM
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I work on the railway, so get tested periodically, randomly and if there is any incident of any kind where I have had any involvement.
My firm do operate a strict random policy, however I do know of some people that are given three days warning that they will be "randomly" tested.
My firm do operate a strict random policy, however I do know of some people that are given three days warning that they will be "randomly" tested.
20 February 2009, 11:57 PM
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3 days? Class A can be out of your system in 24hrs - seems pointless if they warn.
We are now subject to breath test too, with a similar limit to civil pilots if response drivers.
We are now subject to breath test too, with a similar limit to civil pilots if response drivers.
21 February 2009, 12:01 AM
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Yep, but I think it's more to root out habitual drug users, where it can stay in your blood for a lot longer than a quick wrap on a Fri/Sat night. We have had lots of people dismissed due to drug abuse and it is mainly for weed etc.
Personally don't see the point of risking a career for a bit of rubbish that has been cut down to naf all anyways, but you would be surprised at the amount of people that do.
Personally don't see the point of risking a career for a bit of rubbish that has been cut down to naf all anyways, but you would be surprised at the amount of people that do.
21 February 2009, 12:04 AM
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I know - I see them daily! So off their faces they get nicked, and when the **** they have been snorting gets to the lab it's about 5% pure and cut with poison.
21 February 2009, 12:20 AM
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99.99999% of people caught for possession admit it anyway. The penalties for possession are so low, they'd be foolish not to.
21 February 2009, 12:21 AM
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Same thing here, every department gets tested a minimum of 4 times a year, we don't know when, if you have alcohol on your breath you are subject to "watch" for the next two quarters and can be tested any time up to 3 a week I think.
No problem to me, I only take class As on leave
No problem to me, I only take class As on leave