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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Thanks for ALL the replies people.
We have slept on it and in the clear light of day, it looks like we may use other more subtle tactics to get around this.

We are going to think on this a little bit more, some cracking ideas and advice so far and will form a plan for the new year

We are now forgetting it for the time being and will start to get drunk *checks the clock ..damn * and enjoy our christmas
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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Know how you feel though, I wrote off just over 900 quid last year from a so called friend.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 10:58 AM
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remove her face like in face off.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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You do right mate. Forget about it for the time being and bide your time.

Then absolutely royally shaft her should the opportunity arise. You need to get revenge but it is a dish best served cold. At the least wait until the new year and then get her number in the free paper offering executive relief.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 12:50 PM
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At the least wait until the new year and then get her number in the free paper offering executive relief.


She aint a looker
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 12:51 PM
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She aint a looker
But she could be a hooker
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
But she could be a hooker
you are a poet
and you didn't know it
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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There would have been a contract between tenant and landlord as soon as the tenant started paying rent. I'm afraid you're pretty much screwed getting your money back as there is nothing written down. You're in effect being blackmailed by this person due to you not getting certificates for gas, electricity and the new energy cert.

I would also tread quite carefully with this person if you aren't declaring the income to the Inland Revenue as this tenant will almost certainly shop you. If there is a decleration to be made before Jan 31st on extra tax income (self assessment) then get onto it.

Like others have said, learn from this and the next time you rent it out make sure everything is totally above board, friend or not. At least you can take satisfaction telling all your mutual friends what a scumbag tramp your ex-mate is
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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If she is renting another place she will probably require a ref from a previous landlord.
Bit of leverage maybe?
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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As many have already said .Live and learn .You were quite lucky with this one to be honest .Couple of months short in 18 months is not the end of the world .
She did not wreck the place,stuff clothing down the loo to block drains,take doors of their hinges,wreck your cooker,although it wont be clean ,smash the loo ,leave it like a flea pit,take the curtains ,lampshades ,take doors off kitchen cupboards.

Yep youve done OK to be honest .
Show this to your girlfriend .She will feel much better about it .

Landlords are far down the list for sympathy with many people and the law is mainly protecting the Tenants.

Dont for one minute plan to get even,as you will land in trouble .

Tidy it up ,get someone else in ,make sure your paperwork is in order or have an agent do it for you .
I dont know any Landlords who have not been through far worse .
Crack On !!!!
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 07:57 PM
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Put it down to experience. There's no point in getting all Charles Bronson about it. It just sn't worth the hassle.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 08:00 PM
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You're screwed, it is illegal to rent out a property without having gas safety checks etc.
Why save a few pounds for the sake of risking someones life?
Think yourself lucky that you aren't getting prosecuted.
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Old Dec 24, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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Lost £8k in rent over 10 months from a bad tenant. He left the day before the bailiffs arrived. Tenants are great if you get a good one, frustrating if not. Put it behind you and best ofluck for the future
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Old Dec 25, 2008 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by c-o-l-e
You're screwed, it is illegal to rent out a property without having gas safety checks etc.
Why save a few pounds for the sake of risking someones life?
Think yourself lucky that you aren't getting prosecuted.
Pretty much right. Take the loss, learn from it and be thankful you'll have less to spend on dodgy xmas decorations next year
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MooseRacer
Pretty much right. Take the loss, learn from it and be thankful you'll have less to spend on dodgy xmas decorations next year
its sounds hard etc...but you GF was cheating the system and she got turned over. people look for this and then they know you have no leg to stand on.

learn and move on.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SwissTony
There was a formal contract signed the day the tenent took the property over. Friend or not I needed to cover my back, I did not see this coming nearly 18 months ago.

Cheers, Zoe
If there was a contract, even a not very good one, i would start proceedings in the small claims court. I dont think it costs much, and i would do it with the expectation of getting nothing, but the hope of something. My brother once left a job and they owed him back pay, the letter from the court was enough to make them pay up. If this girl has any form of credit (and who hasn't) then any bad debt on her file will make it harder, and she will know that. Thats what i'd do, i'd also mentally write off the debt, so anything you get is a bonus. At least it would send out the message you're no mug.

(and let us know how you get on)

Good luck.

I wouldn't bother trying to reason with her, if she'll do this then its a waste of time.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SwissTony
There was a formal contract signed the day the tenent took the property over. Friend or not I needed to cover my back, I did not see this coming nearly 18 months ago.

Cheers, Zoe
What are you going to do with the property now ?. If you are thinking of letting it out again, then you may want to do it through a letting agent. If so you could ask them for help and advice.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SwissTony
There was a formal contract signed the day the tenent took the property over. Friend or not I needed to cover my back, I did not see this coming nearly 18 months ago.

Cheers, Zoe

was it an OYEZ Short Hold tenancy agreement?

In this case, keep the deposit and let them go... stand the outstanding amount (of £600ish)
Put it down to experience.

it will cost you more in time and hassle and money then the money she owes.


Nothing you can do and this is how a lot of tenants treat their landlords.


I know from experience myself its not worth pursuing unless you have the time and money.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by paulr
If there was a contract, even a not very good one, i would start proceedings in the small claims court. I dont think it costs much, and i would do it with the expectation of getting nothing, but the hope of something.
No no no no no

As has been said before, you really don't want to stall getting the authorities involved. HMRC will start getting interested for a start, you rented the gaff out without the proper paperwork, and you WILL get into all manner of trouble.

Cut ties, tell her to sling her hook out of your life and get the gaff sweet for above board renting. Beware though, there is a bunch of hoops to jump through to be a landlord. Once you've finished jumping though and get a decent tenant life tends to be sweet on both sides. We rent our properties for well-below avarage prices. This means that although we don't earn as much as we could do, the tenants know what a bargain they are getting and don't want to rock the boat but screwing us over. Also means that they are more likely to be able to actually pay the rent if they get made redundant etc. Stingy rapacious landlords give everyone a bad press, but believe me, there's a lot of tenants that really appreciate a top class landlord. We even got an expensive bottle of wine from one of our tenants for Christmas
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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Sorry, that sounded like I was inferring you are or maybe one of the aforementioned rapacious landlords. I didn't mean that at all. Sorry

Again, just put the £650 down as a lesson learnt (every landlord gets stung at some point, I hope this is the only time it happens to you) and forget about the debt and her. Good luck buddy with future tenants and just make sure your *** is covered.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by twooo
Sorry, that sounded like I was inferring you are or maybe one of the aforementioned rapacious landlords. I didn't mean that at all. Sorry

Again, just put the £650 down as a lesson learnt (every landlord gets stung at some point, I hope this is the only time it happens to you) and forget about the debt and her. Good luck buddy with future tenants and just make sure your *** is covered.

tell me about it, move on..
see my thread..
https://www.scoobynet.com/diy-39/730...ml#post8342770
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Originally Posted by paulr
What are you going to do with the property now ?. If you are thinking of letting it out again, then you may want to do it through a letting agent. If so you could ask them for help and advice.
Again, forget this option it could seriously come back and bite you. Get all your certificates and checks done and declare income to HMRC. (I've rented out properties for 17 years).
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by twooo
No no no no no

As has been said before, you really don't want to stall getting the authorities involved. HMRC will start getting interested for a start, you rented the gaff out without the proper paperwork, and you WILL get into all manner of trouble.
Okay, point taken.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Extreme violence is the only answer Swiss.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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If you have her new address, why not send her a NY card with a poo in it. Together with a greeting... "thinking of you..."
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vindaloo
If you have her new address, why not send her a NY card with a poo in it.
A poosical card
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Don't forget to change the locks.

And hope her **** falls off.
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
Extreme violence is the only answer Swiss.
this is worth a read

Heanor house trashed by tenants
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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It was obviously meant in jest salsa
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Old Dec 27, 2008 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bioforger
It was obviously meant in jest salsa

but there are some who think thats what you do. When you can't.
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