Mr Bat

It hasn't been bailed out though.

Timwinner

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It was a quip about tax payer bail out of banks........ a quip

I am not suggesting HSBC has been bailed out, Nor that in real life this room was paid for by anyone but the gentleman that used it.

Mr Bat

So what are you saying, can you be more specific?

Timwinner

iTrader: (3)

Not really fella, If you want to pick up on every jokey reply someone posts on here then be my guest, I dont see, short of using crayons, how I can explain a very simple one line joke to you in a more simple way.

You need to be aware this a an internet forum, 90% of the content is inaccurate, personal opinion or a joke.

Mr Bat

Sensing much irritation I am.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

Not at all, however I don't to label every suicide case with the same 'clinical depression' brush. When you see the crap that they leave behind (as I have done with a family member) the last thing you think about is the one that topped themselves. My thoughts were immediatley with the family and how we were going to help get them back on their feet again. Imagine how they feel, knowing that their partner/parent gave up on them.

Timwinner

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Haha, Your ok mate. I think we both know the unwritten rules of "webforum"

Mr Bat

SiPie

...or the guilt they must feel at not seeing the signs or not being able to help.

Totally appreciate it's terrible for the families left behind but my thoughts are always equally split between sorrow for the family and pity for the poor soul that wasn't able to ask for help or had escalated whatever problems he or she was facing within their own mind, to such an extent that they needed to top themselves.

Suicide is a tragic matter and labelling the person or laying blame serves no purpose.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

SiPie you give this guy too much credit maybe, as with a lot of other suicide "victims".
Yes clinical depression is a terrible thing, a lot of people off themselves for a fear of facing the consequences of their actions.
It is a cowardly way out imo and for the sake of his family, I'm glad he wont do that again

Scoobychick

iTrader: (1)

I absolutely agree with you on this.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

I agree it is tragic. But, a lot of the time, it is the persons 'choice' to start to hide things, it was their 'choice' not to say anything when it the situation was getting out of hand and it is their choice to avoid dealing with their problems for fear of the consequences.

SiPie

Maybe, just maybe he was running away simply from financial problems but I'd put money on there being moderate to severe depression at the base of it...

I mean, not many people in a lucid frame of mind, wake up in a great mood and think "You know what, I feel so feckin great today, I think I'll hang myself"

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

No they dont, but many people think "holy ****, I'm neck high in the **** when this gets out and my wife is a shallow ho who will leave me if I'm not bringing in 250k pa and my kids will disown me if they have to sign up to comprehensive schools and I will suffer incredible shame".

Depression is terrible, its also a current buzzword used too often and by labelling everybody who's circumstances you dont know as depressed is putting down on people who are bloody depressed.

Maybe the guy brought it on himself, maybe he would have been happier on 100k in IT

skid11

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Ive heard the clinical depression argument before and it was voiced by someone probably more compassionate than myself . It did make me rethink some of my opinions
I have seen the devastation it leaves behind though and thats when i think how selfish an act suicide is. Just before xmas as well!

Scoobychick

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What you have to remember is that depression is an illness, it's not just 'feeling a bit down', it can be brought on by the situation that the sufferer is in or it can be down to a simple chemical imbalance in the brain. Whatever it is it is still an illness.

If a cancer sufferer killed themselves because they couldn't go on any more would you feel more sympathetic? Just because you can't 'see' depression doesn't mean it isn't a serious illness. It can completely affect the way a person thinks about things to the extent where they may feel that killing themselves may even be doing their family a favour.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

how very politically correct

The Rig

iTrader: (13)

Thats always made laugh,cowards way out ? not really, takes alot of ***** to kill yourself.
yes he took the easy way out,but cowards way.........


i know i couldnt kill myself, 20 yrs in prison is still better than death,even with all the ***** wantin to rim me i guess ha ha

Scoobychick

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I honestly don't know what you mean but I speak from experience

SiPie

Peanuts

You should be pretty ashamed of that pathetic comment IMHO

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

So do I, with regards to somone attempting it and failing and also a family member who succeeded. In either case, it turned out that their was a long build up to the 'event'. And it that time, there were numerous occassions where the problem could have been shared, but pride, guilt or whatever, got in the way of them doing so. I am not contesting the fact that depression is an illness, but I do argue that 99% of the time, the illness can be avoided if the problems are nipped in the bud early on and not allowed to 'snow-ball'.

SiPie

agreed

....although I'd put the precentage a wee bit lower

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

So do I.

I'm also a little disappointed that my above post was negged, for two reasons.
1) I had placed a smilie to indicate a certain amount of tongue in cheek and highlight a new buzzword for many who are workshy.
2) I have no doubt that depression is an illness, also that its serious and can lead to out of character behaviour or actions.

BUT, and this is my main point, we are all being asked to feel pity for this chap based on his depression.
How do we know he is depressed? Therefore I keep hold of my pity thanks and save it for somebody who I believe to be worthy of it if thats ok?

As for the comment "takes ***** to off yourself" that is an awful thing to say, takes more ***** to deal with the consequences*

*Assuming that depression isnt the underlying root cause of course

The point has been missed by many

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

2nd the above. Hence why I still stand by my original statement of suicide being the 'cowards way out'. Not difficult to take an overdose of sleeping tablets is it? Infact that is much easier than facing the problems one may have brought upon themselves.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

What 'is' depression anyway? What chemicals in the brain cause somebody to think and act like this? Would fear create some of this chemicals?

SiPie

Well Sherlock, a pretty good indicator would be the suicide bit at the end

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

So, if the banking world was doing well at the moment then this guy would be happy, buying stuff and having a nice Christmas with his family ?

So, by that rationale every one in the country who has less money than last year should be topping themselves, if he were in clinical depression then I suspect the money aspect wouldn't make that much difference as it is an illness, not a reaction to an overdraft, this just (and I may be wrong) smacks of if I am not winning then I am taking my ball in, like that bloke in the big mansion that killed his wife, daughter and pets then burnt the place down, now he was a selfish *****, at least this fella had the good grace to go out on his own.

As long as the wife and kids are ok, all the rest, money, house, cars, gadgets etc can go, quite happy to live in a little council house on minimum wage and scraping by, I think a lot of this is down to keeping up an image and when the RR Sport has to go back, when the house has to be sold to downsize some cannot cope with the "shame", might not be the case here but thats what it looks like.

Shameful thing to do for a family man, just before Christmas, there is always another way.

We do not need to be respectful or reverential every time someone dies, you can still say your piece, if you thought someone was **** when they were alive, them being dead doesnt stop them being a ****, if someone tops themselves you are still entitled to say what you think, I am sure that in some cases the way we pussyfoot around death and its methods actually tips some people from thinking about it, to doing it, there is a certain amount of "Look at me" and petulance in some suicides, therefore I think if we eulogise too much about the deceased and sweep the nature of the death under the carpet we may actually promote it as an option.

SunnySideUp

The other 10% is delivered by me

Gear Head

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Rubbish. That means everyone that commits suicide is clinically depressed. More than likely it is down to fear of being 'found out' and having to deal with the consequences.

skid11

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Not everyone who commits suicide or attempts it is clinically depressed
It doesnt take "*****" to do it either