M535I

yes guy's ill have full pic's tomorrow of the back and hopefully fully fitted and modified !!! .
Stu when am i not going to be under investigation ive been full open and not had anything to hide and tried to help my best to get this resolved .

mit

iTrader: (10)

Here here!

Schumacher

I'm guessing they're like this from the back...








Comparing the above to the pic mit posted, the holes look way off?

wrighty338

iTrader: (33)

yer but the holes dont line up with the originals for stock mirrors..the logic is there they look in the right place but the measurements have been wrong coz theyre out

Schumacher

Edited my reply above.

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

Hi,
As far as I can see, right up to post 53 where you give out payment details after fulfilling your minimum order of ten, you have been the group buy instigator and controller and Harry007 has not even posted on here. Surely you accept you have a duty to see this through now? How doesn't anyone know for a fact your not both one and the same person for example? its a common scam on forums...

At post 107 you had taken the money from 13 people. Still no sign of Harry 007 until AFTER people get upset around post 112 when a member pops up and the problems begin. As far as the members are concerned fella, this is your group buy.

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

For reference, this is why i have left the OP's account showing as under investigation when some members may feel he is not to blame...

Scenario:
Member X organises a group buy
Member X describes what your buying
Member X lists all the people buying
Member X gives you an address to pay
Member X confirms you have paid the money
Member X tells you parts are on the way

I am sure most would agree that member X has willingly been involved in this group buy and been instrumental in the exchange of monies. Innocently or otherwise.

Should we decide that teh OP is never to blame when things go wrong, then what would be to stop member-X from starting a group buy, taking a couple of £K and then just registering a new username and saying "Hi, its all my fault, please don't blame member-X" And then member-X pocketing the money saying "Sorry fellas"?

As for banning him, I guess you all have some other way of contacting him do you so your all happy for me to shut this avenue down right now?

wrighty338

iTrader: (33)

Schu - yep miles off

M535I

considering your an administrator your ment to be impartial , from your above post it seem's your implying somthing which i don't like , I bet you can compare ip's see when we have been on and off ! have i ever not been on the thread when there has been a reply no !

Any way im not realy bothered what the admin think of me , to all the people with outstandim mirrors or refund's i will help you as much as i can to get the resolved asap . as all ready said ill be doing my fit later and ill provide a full run thru for you to see , then you can decide if there what you want .

Haroon when will you have the time in your busy life to reply to this thread ! .

M535I

scchu your spot on with the pic's of the back of the mirror there .

Evolution Stu

iTrader: (2)

I am impartial, thats why you are both left under investigation until this is cleared up. I am not suggesting or implying anything, merely stating why I am doing things the way I am so don't start feeling victimised, just accept that your GB has gone wrong and try to help those whom you have brought into contact with the seller. Without your input they wouldn't be in this mess, thats an indisputable fact.

Incidentally, the fact you have never been on the thread when Harry007 has replied is in fact a negative point if you think about it...

mit

iTrader: (10)

Aren't the two screws in the carbon mirror just to hold the glass?
Looks like theres no holes to mount the mirror.
File off the lump on the base plate, offer the mirror up, drill 3 pilot holes for the mounting screws, use 3 self tappers to secure it on, putting a larger washer under the screw where the filed lump was, also applying a little bead of silicone around the base of the mirror for water sealing,job done!

harry007

ALL MEMBERS THAT STILL WANT THEIR MIRRORS POST YOUR NAMES, OR POST YOUR NAME WITH REFUND NEXT TO IT.

This is my finalized decision, refund or mirrors as I just dont want any further delays thank you.

Names please:

1.

CRAIG DILLON

iTrader: (3)

I didnt mind doing a bit of modding to get them too fit but there a shocking fit. its not like there even a close fit there, they may as well be from a corsa.

So for that reason am OUT ( dragons den )

Names please:

1.CRAIG DILLON Refund please

M535I

just what i have done today mate , i have the pics ill post later but with abit of a fettle they do go on and sit fully flush !.

M535I

Took you long enough dont you think !

STI5300

iTrader: (4)

Andrew Meek Refund please, having seen the poor fit.

mit

iTrader: (10)

1.CRAIG DILLON Refund
2.ANDREW MEEK Refund
3.Tim Morphy(mit) Mirrors
4.Kevin( M535I) Mirrors
5.Walton WRX Refunded

bugeyeandy

This thread should be made a sticky as how not to participate in a group buy.

If the OP had been up front in his first post and said "Harry007" was the supplier i'm sure most wouldn't have gone ahead with the buy.

No one seems to have got any verifyable contact details before handing over £100 (a total of over £1300).

The OP now has a damaged reputation and the buyers are all short of £100 and have no goods.

No one asked for any details whatsoever of the fit and finish of this product or even a picture of them fitted.

I really can't believe how easy it is to scam people on internet forums, i've taken part in group buys on here before but only where my money went to a genuine business (not an email address).

I'm not gloating, just trying to show that much care is needed before handing over your hard earned to people on the net - doubly so where paypal is concerned, they're only one step above Western Union for being a scammers delight.

mit

iTrader: (10)

No ones been scammed yet, one member has a refund, Harry's now asking who else wants one too. The whole thing is a bit unfortunate, xmas in the middle didn't help either.
Now, don't get me wrong, im **** off as much as anyone else, but all this shouting about scams, banning him etc is only going to delay matters, we don't want to annoy Harry to the point where he stops replying( all be it delayed).
M535I is doing his best it seems to show whats involved in fitting, with pics later today hopefully.
I have done a group buy myself in the past, no one knew me, but still trusted me with their money, and all got the goods as promosed.
It's hard to right off honest sn members, trying to offer like members a deal, such as M535I.
Yes, as the buy instigator, he has a certain responsability, which it seems he's doing his best.
Hind site is a wonderfull thing!

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

As you say hind sight is a wonderful thing, and it is really easy for everyone to throw stones, but the fact that M535i has actually tried to run a GB and offer people a good deal should also be remembered.

All too often you will go in the GB section and somebody who wants something will have posted up asking if anyone is going to run a GB for them. I've done it when I wanted a new exhaust I organised one for a Nur Spec R.

Yes agreed plenty to learn about running GBs for the future, but depsite it all going wrong, a pat on the back to M535i for putting the effort in. I just hope this ONE bad GB experience will not stop people running them in the future as it is us who will end up worse off in the long run.

M535I

if you read all of the thread you will read the question was asked is this harry007 suppling them to which i replied yes !!! so people did actually know !
as far as im concerned no one has been ripped off yet and this is just a group buy that has gone bad and hopfully never to be repeated .
my reputation is intackt thank you end of the day this is just a pesron who tap's key's !
I havent tried to hide from anything and am more than willing to help anyone as much as i can and for what ???? nothing that's what ! so thanks for you opinion you realy helped the real people who are suffering from the BADm group buy .

thanks for kind words jonmc .

bugeyeandy

I did read the whole thread and everything I say I stand by.
I have at no point suggested that you are ripping anyone off just merely pointing out that people need to be careful on group buys.

M535I

Right had a bash at fitting the mirror's so hear goes .
Remember im just a tyre fitter not an engineer lol so not the neatest but got the result i wanted .

this is std fitting

because the back ar flat and the mounting look like this .


so had abit of a grind .

then i lined up the mirror to where i wanted it .
and this is how far the srew holes are from std fitment .
shocking ah !!!
so ones drilled with a little pilot drill as ive never drilled carbon befor so built it up to a correct size and with some bigger washers and self tappers and black sealent this is now the correct fit !
pic's dont show it with some black sealent just to wether proof it etc etc .



well sorry to all that have been messed around and dissapointed well get this mess sorted .

JonMc

iTrader: (51)

No worries mate, too many people are too quick to criticise, but they forget that when we run these GBs we do it off our own back, in our own time, and we get nothing more than the same discounts as everyone else in the GB.

mit

iTrader: (10)

Thats a good little guide there Kev!
Right people, get your names down on the list!

M535I

cheers mit !

CRAIG DILLON

iTrader: (3)

U did a decent job there M535I and a decent guide.

Il still stick to getting a refund if thats ok. Thanks

M535I

yea or corse mate as i said i wanted them on no matter what so i did that mines a project after all .lol.

SUBADAVE

1.CRAIG DILLON Refund
2.ANDREW MEEK Refund
3.Tim Morphy(mit) Mirrors
4.Kevin( M535I) Mirrors
5.Walton WRX Refunded
6.David (SUBADAVE) Mirrors

Harry, send the mirrors to M535I and the he will send them to me.