View Poll Results: Is Scoobynet better since being owned by Internet Brands
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Is Scoobynet better since Internet Brands took over
10 November 2008, 12:23 PM
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Well................. After a few years away from the forum I thought i would post.
IB need to reform Scoobynet with a new "team".
The current one certainly is not up to the job of running what is a major forum.
If Simon has overstepped the Mark and been removed ? then its obvious that i and many others where correct. Simon Used and abused the forum for his own advantage. Just "owning" a forum does not give him the right to abuse and talk down to so many .
What will be very interesting is to see his little band of "friends' dissolve . For years they have followed him around like puppy Dogs.
Lets see how brave they are now? And if the infraction system still works. Members can ban them if they want.
The infraction idea was madness. it never worked and was only used as a covert way for some to play games.
I wish the new owners luck. But there are some big changes to make.
You guys should vote with your feet. Demand your money back if your not getting what you paid for. IB need to wake up and ask members to vote for a new "Mod team" so that the members have a say. And feel they are been represented Unlike Simons little group of "Bitches"
This is the single biggest change to the forum ever. Use it well and then everyone moves in the right direction.
The single biggest issue is i guess no one in IB has a real clue who anyone is. So they need to trust the older forum members to vote and explain why they would like to see certain members as Mods. And why some should be removed?
There are other Subaru forums. No way as big as Scoobynet but far more "specialized"
not as "Chav" as Scoobynet at times But FREE. Scoobynet is a little "cash cow" and the issue seems to be no one is really showing the paid members any real service.
Good Luck to Simon , I guess the book will not ever happen!!
But remember him not for forming scoobynet....but for the last 2 years and how his true colours came to the surface.
IB need to reform Scoobynet with a new "team".
The current one certainly is not up to the job of running what is a major forum.
If Simon has overstepped the Mark and been removed ? then its obvious that i and many others where correct. Simon Used and abused the forum for his own advantage. Just "owning" a forum does not give him the right to abuse and talk down to so many .
What will be very interesting is to see his little band of "friends' dissolve . For years they have followed him around like puppy Dogs.
Lets see how brave they are now? And if the infraction system still works. Members can ban them if they want.
The infraction idea was madness. it never worked and was only used as a covert way for some to play games.
I wish the new owners luck. But there are some big changes to make.
You guys should vote with your feet. Demand your money back if your not getting what you paid for. IB need to wake up and ask members to vote for a new "Mod team" so that the members have a say. And feel they are been represented Unlike Simons little group of "Bitches"
This is the single biggest change to the forum ever. Use it well and then everyone moves in the right direction.
The single biggest issue is i guess no one in IB has a real clue who anyone is. So they need to trust the older forum members to vote and explain why they would like to see certain members as Mods. And why some should be removed?
There are other Subaru forums. No way as big as Scoobynet but far more "specialized"
not as "Chav" as Scoobynet at times But FREE. Scoobynet is a little "cash cow" and the issue seems to be no one is really showing the paid members any real service.
Good Luck to Simon , I guess the book will not ever happen!!
But remember him not for forming scoobynet....but for the last 2 years and how his true colours came to the surface.
Last edited by Luke; 10 November 2008 at 12:29 PM.
10 November 2008, 01:05 PM
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^^^^ Why has he been infracted for that? this system is ruining Scoobynet. I've been around for years as a reader before joining up in 2006 and Scoobynet has gone right downhill. This infraction system is single handedly ruining the community.
Its about time it was removed and IB listened to what the community want.
Its about time it was removed and IB listened to what the community want.
10 November 2008, 01:35 PM
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MY previous post is a prime example of why this "self monitoing system" isn't working. Clearly many people have viewed it as a positive comment which is hilighted by the green postive icon.
Yet all it takes is one paid up member to not like it and i get the infamous red card!!
What would be far better idea would be for the post ratings to count. i.e if ten people deemed the post redcard worthy then an infraction would be issued. If however ten more people came along and actually thought the infraction was unwarranted then by clicking the positive comment button the infraction would be reversed.
Now surely this is a better way for the self monitoring to work is it not?
Many people can vote postive on a post but all it takes is one to issue an infraction. If you're going to have this system atleast make it fair!!!
Yet all it takes is one paid up member to not like it and i get the infamous red card!!
What would be far better idea would be for the post ratings to count. i.e if ten people deemed the post redcard worthy then an infraction would be issued. If however ten more people came along and actually thought the infraction was unwarranted then by clicking the positive comment button the infraction would be reversed.
Now surely this is a better way for the self monitoring to work is it not?
Many people can vote postive on a post but all it takes is one to issue an infraction. If you're going to have this system atleast make it fair!!!
10 November 2008, 01:42 PM
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Good Morning everyone,
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
And that is a very valid issue. But where do we go with it? The problem with an administrator asking the masses to vote on or discuss such topics is that they are open to too much abuse and can indicate trends with an unfair and unrepresentative negative bias because due to their very nature, moderators will tend to have more haters than lovers in a vote or discussion because people expend far more energy being negative than positive on forums, thus you will tend to get far more people replying with an axe to grind whilst those unaffected by the moderators will remain silent. (Usually 95% of the forum).
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
The single biggest issue is i guess no one in IB has a real clue who anyone is. So they need to trust the older forum members to vote and explain why they would like to see certain members as Mods. And why some should be removed?
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
Last edited by Evolution Stu; 10 November 2008 at 01:45 PM. Reason: fat fingers....
10 November 2008, 01:46 PM
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MY previous post is a prime example of why this "self monitoing system" isn't working. Clearly many people have viewed it as a positive comment which is hilighted by the green postive icon.
Yet all it takes is one paid up member to not like it and i get the infamous red card!!
What would be far better idea would be for the post ratings to count. i.e if ten people deemed the post redcard worthy then an infraction would be issued. If however ten more people came along and actually thought the infraction was unwarranted then by clicking the positive comment button the infraction would be reversed.
Now surely this is a better way for the self monitoring to work is it not?
Many people can vote postive on a post but all it takes is one to issue an infraction. If you're going to have this system atleast make it fair!!!
Yet all it takes is one paid up member to not like it and i get the infamous red card!!
What would be far better idea would be for the post ratings to count. i.e if ten people deemed the post redcard worthy then an infraction would be issued. If however ten more people came along and actually thought the infraction was unwarranted then by clicking the positive comment button the infraction would be reversed.
Now surely this is a better way for the self monitoring to work is it not?
Many people can vote postive on a post but all it takes is one to issue an infraction. If you're going to have this system atleast make it fair!!!
I must admit to not being afraid to infract people and I can see why you were infracted but it does mean its a single view
I personally prefer a Moderation policy enforced by a Mod Team
10 November 2008, 01:51 PM
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I've only ever needed to infract 2 people and I'm on here nearly every day.
I've not noticed much change and never really poke my head over the parapet so never been shot at as it were.
Biggest single failing IMO of SNet is that the technical forums are now deserted. This started about 18 months to 2 years ago though.
Theres an increased amount of useless sh1te but I just ignore it.
I've not noticed much change and never really poke my head over the parapet so never been shot at as it were.
Biggest single failing IMO of SNet is that the technical forums are now deserted. This started about 18 months to 2 years ago though.
Theres an increased amount of useless sh1te but I just ignore it.
10 November 2008, 01:56 PM
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Good Morning everyone,
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
And that is a very valid issue. But where do we go with it? The problem with an administrator asking the masses to vote on or discuss such topics is that they are open to too much abuse and can indicate trends with an unfair and unrepresentative negative bias because due to their very nature, moderators will tend to have more haters than lovers in a vote or discussion because people expend far more energy being negative than positive on forums, thus you will tend to get far more people replying with an axe to grind whilst those unaffected by the moderators will remain silent. (Usually 95% of the forum).
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
And that is a very valid issue. But where do we go with it? The problem with an administrator asking the masses to vote on or discuss such topics is that they are open to too much abuse and can indicate trends with an unfair and unrepresentative negative bias because due to their very nature, moderators will tend to have more haters than lovers in a vote or discussion because people expend far more energy being negative than positive on forums, thus you will tend to get far more people replying with an axe to grind whilst those unaffected by the moderators will remain silent. (Usually 95% of the forum).
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
Stu
well you have "placed your cards on the table" lets hope it all works out.
maybe the rumors of simon been "asked to leave" are wrong. But in order for you to move forward i believe many wanted Simon to go. They feel upset about how they paid for services they never received etc. But also how it seemed certain advertising companies where been protected from any negative comments .Also the infraction idea was the final nail in his coffin. If ever a stupid idea was made...this was it. Its wrong for you to say some are "keyboard ninjas" etc. You have very very little idea about what has taken place over the years and what you might have been told i would imagine would be "one sided'
I have said many times... Forum owners are not the "true" owners of the forum.Its members are.
Good luck to you and your new ideas etc.
But God help you if you dont sort out the "search "and other issues etc That your paying members have been promised.
Scoobynet are a very unforgiving lot at times !
Luke
Last edited by Luke; 10 November 2008 at 02:01 PM.
10 November 2008, 01:56 PM
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Good Morning everyone,
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
And that is a very valid issue. But where do we go with it? The problem with an administrator asking the masses to vote on or discuss such topics is that they are open to too much abuse and can indicate trends with an unfair and unrepresentative negative bias because due to their very nature, moderators will tend to have more haters than lovers in a vote or discussion because people expend far more energy being negative than positive on forums, thus you will tend to get far more people replying with an axe to grind whilst those unaffected by the moderators will remain silent. (Usually 95% of the forum).
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
And that is a very valid issue. But where do we go with it? The problem with an administrator asking the masses to vote on or discuss such topics is that they are open to too much abuse and can indicate trends with an unfair and unrepresentative negative bias because due to their very nature, moderators will tend to have more haters than lovers in a vote or discussion because people expend far more energy being negative than positive on forums, thus you will tend to get far more people replying with an axe to grind whilst those unaffected by the moderators will remain silent. (Usually 95% of the forum).
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
Excellent comments
That's all we, as paying members, expect. It often appears that IB are doing very little with this site, but a sensible honest post like that shows that that plans are afoot. Hopefully these will come into fruition and the site can be as good if not better than it once was.Good luck with those plans and I hope they include a rethink on the infraction system which I'm all for IF it's fair and at the moment its far from it.
10 November 2008, 02:05 PM
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Excellent comments That's all we, as paying members, expect. It often appears that IB are doing very little with this site, but a sensible honest post like that shows that that plans are afoot. Hopefully these will come into fruition and the site can be as good if not better than it once was.
Good luck with those plans and I hope they include a rethink on the infraction system which I'm all for IF it's fair and at the moment its far from it.
That's all we, as paying members, expect. It often appears that IB are doing very little with this site, but a sensible honest post like that shows that that plans are afoot. Hopefully these will come into fruition and the site can be as good if not better than it once was.Good luck with those plans and I hope they include a rethink on the infraction system which I'm all for IF it's fair and at the moment its far from it.
10 November 2008, 02:11 PM
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Good Morning everyone,
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
And that is a very valid issue. But where do we go with it? The problem with an administrator asking the masses to vote on or discuss such topics is that they are open to too much abuse and can indicate trends with an unfair and unrepresentative negative bias because due to their very nature, moderators will tend to have more haters than lovers in a vote or discussion because people expend far more energy being negative than positive on forums, thus you will tend to get far more people replying with an axe to grind whilst those unaffected by the moderators will remain silent. (Usually 95% of the forum).
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
Whilst this poll is no doubt going to be a little painful, it should still, if used correctly, be an invaluable source of information for us to get to the bottom of some of the issues causing the main concern over here on ScoobyNet.
Before i go any further, let me assure you that Simon has NOT been asked to leave Scoobynet at all and Ive no idea where such ridiculous rumor's have surfaced. Simon has been instrumental in the hand over of the forum for the past 12 months and was always going to give up his webmaster role at his leisure at some point. In my opinion he should have let go of the reins sooner but he wanted to stay on and try to help out a little with some problems that we were experiencing. I assure you that he really does love this place and its a shame to see him go, regardless of what some of you seem to be saying.
Those of your whom have anything nice to say, can do so here.
Onwards...
As a representative of internet brands please let me apologize on behalf of the web team for the current state of glitch repairs and other unresolved issues. Please rest assured that overt the next few days you will be introduced to your new administrator and he is determined to collate a list of changes and get things back on an even keel by constantly battering the web team with job lists and reminders to ensure things get done. We have a Lot of other large forums, many far far larger than this one, and all run well. ScoobyNet will follow and we can only appologise that we haven't acted sooner or with more commitment.
Please understand that i am surely not saying that thing's will be done overnight, but our attention has been turned to this community now, admittedly a little later than scheduled, but crying over spilt milk is going to achieve nothing but create more rifts, so lets leave that milk to evaporate and start trying to move onwards shall we?
One comment i note is this one:
And that is a very valid issue. But where do we go with it? The problem with an administrator asking the masses to vote on or discuss such topics is that they are open to too much abuse and can indicate trends with an unfair and unrepresentative negative bias because due to their very nature, moderators will tend to have more haters than lovers in a vote or discussion because people expend far more energy being negative than positive on forums, thus you will tend to get far more people replying with an axe to grind whilst those unaffected by the moderators will remain silent. (Usually 95% of the forum).
This is a sad fact of internet life and is easily proved by the recent topics about Simon's name change... full of keyboard warriors. The 45000 members who found him a great admin haven't spoken, so the topic looks negative.
To summarise, please hang on in there, you should have a new Administrator to abuse by the end of the week and then things can start to really move forward, but until then I WELCOME any adult, structured and reasoned input to the topic of Scoobynet change but be assured if people use it as an opportunity to try stirring up trouble they will simply be banned, so play nicely or prepare to not play at all.
SN is close to a lot of peoples' hearts, as you've probably gathered.
However, we did have a serious problem with trolling and abusive members on here.
I'm all for robust conversation and freedom of expression (and the posting of bewbies)
But people who seek only to stir up trouble, antagonise or otherwise be insuting and abusive, SN can well do without. I make no apologies on my hardline stance in this respect. 
Consequently, I personally welcomed the infraction and instaban systems.
However, in order for these to work fairly, there has to be an effective means of appeal. Can we have your assurance that the new webby will have sufficient time/resources to properly police the infraction system, such that it is not abused by a small minority out of protest at its existence (subversion), or to carry out personal vendettas etc... Can we also have an assurance that IB will not suport infractions for the polite/non-absive articulation for points of view that someone has arbitrarily decided that they don't like!
If you need any help, I'll be happy to offer my services as a moderator.
*Stands back and waits for the cries of Noooooooo from SN
*Ns04
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10 November 2008, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by phil
I personally prefer a Moderation policy enforced by a Mod Team
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maybe the rumors of simon been "asked to leave" are wrong.
But in order for you to move forward i believe many wanted Simon to go. They feel upset about how they paid for services they never received etc. But also how it seemed certain advertising companies where been protected from any negative comments .
Also the infraction idea was the final nail in his coffin. If ever a stupid idea was made...this was it. Its wrong for you to say some are "keyboard ninjas" etc. You have very very little idea about what has taken place over the years and what you might have been told i would imagine would be "one sided'
I have said many times... Forum owners are not the "true" owners of the forum.Its members are.
Good luck to you and your new ideas etc.
But God help you if you dont sort out the "search "and other issues etc That your paying members have been promised.Scoobynet are a very unforgiving lot at times !
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10 November 2008, 02:27 PM
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However, we did have a serious problem with trolling and abusive members on here.
I'm all for robust conversation and freedom of expression (and the posting of bewbies) But people who seek only to stir up trouble, antagonise or otherwise be insuting and abusive, SN can well do without. I make no apologies on my hardline stance in this respect.
But people who seek only to stir up trouble, antagonise or otherwise be insuting and abusive, SN can well do without. I make no apologies on my hardline stance in this respect.
However, in order for these to work fairly, there has to be an effective means of appeal. Can we have your assurance that the new webby will have sufficient time/resources to properly police the infraction system, such that it is not abused by a small minority out of protest at its existence (subversion), or to carry out personal vendettas etc... Can we also have an assurance that IB will not suport infractions for the polite/non-absive articulation for points of view that someone has arbitrarily decided that they don't like!
If you need any help, I'll be happy to offer my services as a moderator.
10 November 2008, 02:29 PM
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10 November 2008, 02:30 PM
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I have been a member here for over 5 years and have seen huge changes to the forum, not all bad but sadly the good has been beaten into submission.
I realise that SN has a large membership and monitoring threads can be a chore, but I feel that the infraction system is open to far too much abuse. The old fashioned method of moderating being in the hands of trusted and respected members of a forum has a lot going for it and for me is greatly missed.
Even sadder for me is that this forum - dedicated to people with a love of certain cars - has lost its essence. I hope that it has not gone for good.
10 November 2008, 02:31 PM
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Maybe we can discuss this some other time and place but i can see its a system thats unliked but need to review it in far more detail before i can comment further as all infraction systems are open to abuse and it seems in this instance its just you members who are at fault anyway which makes a change from the webteam.
10 November 2008, 02:37 PM
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I run a small and thriving forum (using the same vbulletin software) and we have a great moderator team. They are invaluble in looking after the forum and to clean up any undesirable postings. We dont use the infraction system, but I know that is because we are only a small forum and do not have the same issues as on here.
But the point I am making is that good and fair moderation is the only way forward.
Apart from that, it is heartwarming to see a response from the IB team at last and we can only hope that you come through in style.
But the point I am making is that good and fair moderation is the only way forward.
Apart from that, it is heartwarming to see a response from the IB team at last and we can only hope that you come through in style.
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Clare and NS04 as mods?
Can I get refund?
A couple of points to make if I may?
I really honestly cannot understand peoples problem with the Infraction system. Okay, so people abuse it. So what? Go into policy and appeal. If the serial infractors are noted (and they will be) THEY get banned. All it takes is a quick post and job done.
Same goes for negging posts. People have opinions, and a post can only be severely negged if LOTS of people disagree. Life isn't a popularity contest, people WILL disagree with you. Get over it - in fact some negged posts could be a seen as a badge of honour
All I ask is:
Keep the site vibrant, get the front end updated reguarly, ask for volunteers amongst the membership to help with the above, fix the bugs! Make sure that the mods can sort out the infractions, so the process is rapid and people have less reason to complain. I'd be tempted to say paying members only to infract... but I think long term only is good enough (hell I qualify both ways! )
Oh yeah and don't give NS04 ANY power! (been a mod myself and I know what power does to people )
Can I get refund?
A couple of points to make if I may?
I really honestly cannot understand peoples problem with the Infraction system. Okay, so people abuse it. So what? Go into policy and appeal. If the serial infractors are noted (and they will be) THEY get banned. All it takes is a quick post and job done.
Same goes for negging posts. People have opinions, and a post can only be severely negged if LOTS of people disagree. Life isn't a popularity contest, people WILL disagree with you. Get over it - in fact some negged posts could be a seen as a badge of honour
All I ask is:
Keep the site vibrant, get the front end updated reguarly, ask for volunteers amongst the membership to help with the above, fix the bugs!
Make sure that the mods can sort out the infractions, so the process is rapid and people have less reason to complain. I'd be tempted to say paying members only to infract... but I think long term only is good enough (hell I qualify both ways! )Oh yeah and don't give NS04 ANY power!
(been a mod myself and I know what power does to people )
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A couple of points to make if I may?
I really honestly cannot understand peoples problem with the Infraction system. Okay, so people abuse it. So what? Go into policy and appeal. If the serial infractors are noted (and they will be) THEY get banned. All it takes is a quick post and job done.
i can remember a discussion in policy about some current issued infractions and webby wanted people to discuss if they were valid or not
iirc everybody said mine was not valid, i then asked to have it removed, and well i will leave it up to you to guess what happened next
10 November 2008, 03:00 PM
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Oh and just for the record. If NS04 and clarbabes join as moderators, then I am bloody off
and the place will be poorer for the loss of my wit, charm and repartee
10 November 2008, 03:02 PM
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*Furiously presses imaginary moderator 'ban this user button on Kieran's profile*
Which US president was it that said: most men can face adversity, but if you really want to test a man's character, give him power.
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