Why arent you using E85 / BioEthanol ?
16 November 2008, 07:15 PM
#91
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From what Paul said to me at the RR day, his torque figures are circa 5% less than a DD RR IIRC. Regardless.... that is some hefty torque by anyones standards. 
16 November 2008, 07:22 PM
#92
Consider Steve Simpson, Steve Simpson Motorsport, Warton, Near Carnforth, North Lancs. Straight up the M6 for you. Discuss your requirements with him especially if you are thinking about a Simtek. simpson.msport@tiscali.co.uk
18 November 2008, 04:00 PM
#94
So I had a remap with 10% (well, 5 litres / tank) of this stuff on Friday last week. Remap courtesy of Simon.
Previous deltadash power on one bottle of NF / tank (expensive!!) was: 353bhp / 354lbft @ 1.4 bar with a td05-20g.
After remap with 1.5 bar - 391bhp / 392lbft! Deltadash figures again, obviously, but using exactly the same settings as last time.
It certainly runs a lot nicer now, throughout the rev range. It idles cleaner (I'm not sure if a whole bottle of NF / tank is detrimental to idling?), and there's more torque across the rev range it feels like. As an example, earlier my car wouldn't pull at all in 4th at 1800rpm on a flat road - the engine would just make noise and vibrate a bit. With E85 it pulls away cleanly (obviously not super fast, but it vibrates a whole lot less).
The above is with a 2.5" decat exhaust as well, with prodrive back box and a centre silencer still in place.
Very impressed with the Simon's mapping and the new fuel so far
I already had a remap booked in where I was just going to map out the NF and run on standard petrol for cost reasons, but then this thread came along so I decided to give E85 a go. Essentially it's free octane booster, and on my car it works heaps better than NF.
Previous deltadash power on one bottle of NF / tank (expensive!!) was: 353bhp / 354lbft @ 1.4 bar with a td05-20g.
After remap with 1.5 bar - 391bhp / 392lbft! Deltadash figures again, obviously, but using exactly the same settings as last time.
It certainly runs a lot nicer now, throughout the rev range. It idles cleaner (I'm not sure if a whole bottle of NF / tank is detrimental to idling?), and there's more torque across the rev range it feels like. As an example, earlier my car wouldn't pull at all in 4th at 1800rpm on a flat road - the engine would just make noise and vibrate a bit. With E85 it pulls away cleanly (obviously not super fast, but it vibrates a whole lot less).
The above is with a 2.5" decat exhaust as well, with prodrive back box and a centre silencer still in place.
Very impressed with the Simon's mapping and the new fuel so far
I already had a remap booked in where I was just going to map out the NF and run on standard petrol for cost reasons, but then this thread came along so I decided to give E85 a go. Essentially it's free octane booster, and on my car it works heaps better than NF.
18 November 2008, 05:09 PM
#95
So I had a remap with 10% (well, 5 litres / tank) of this stuff on Friday last week. Remap courtesy of Simon.
Previous deltadash power on one bottle of NF / tank (expensive!!) was: 353bhp / 354lbft @ 1.4 bar with a td05-20g.
After remap with 1.5 bar - 391bhp / 392lbft! Deltadash figures again, obviously, but using exactly the same settings as last time.
It certainly runs a lot nicer now, throughout the rev range. It idles cleaner (I'm not sure if a whole bottle of NF / tank is detrimental to idling?), and there's more torque across the rev range it feels like. As an example, earlier my car wouldn't pull at all in 4th at 1800rpm on a flat road - the engine would just make noise and vibrate a bit. With E85 it pulls away cleanly (obviously not super fast, but it vibrates a whole lot less).
The above is with a 2.5" decat exhaust as well, with prodrive back box and a centre silencer still in place.
Very impressed with the Simon's mapping and the new fuel so far
I already had a remap booked in where I was just going to map out the NF and run on standard petrol for cost reasons, but then this thread came along so I decided to give E85 a go. Essentially it's free octane booster, and on my car it works heaps better than NF.
Previous deltadash power on one bottle of NF / tank (expensive!!) was: 353bhp / 354lbft @ 1.4 bar with a td05-20g.
After remap with 1.5 bar - 391bhp / 392lbft! Deltadash figures again, obviously, but using exactly the same settings as last time.
It certainly runs a lot nicer now, throughout the rev range. It idles cleaner (I'm not sure if a whole bottle of NF / tank is detrimental to idling?), and there's more torque across the rev range it feels like. As an example, earlier my car wouldn't pull at all in 4th at 1800rpm on a flat road - the engine would just make noise and vibrate a bit. With E85 it pulls away cleanly (obviously not super fast, but it vibrates a whole lot less).
The above is with a 2.5" decat exhaust as well, with prodrive back box and a centre silencer still in place.
Very impressed with the Simon's mapping and the new fuel so far
I already had a remap booked in where I was just going to map out the NF and run on standard petrol for cost reasons, but then this thread came along so I decided to give E85 a go. Essentially it's free octane booster, and on my car it works heaps better than NF.
18 November 2008, 05:17 PM
#96
How accurate do proportions of E85 and petrol have to be? The Morrisons at Wellingborough is about twenty-five minutes away, making this marginally do-able. But as a chemist I tend to get a bit wary of: "put in x litres when you're at the 1/4 mark and then top off with V-Power." Obviously the timing adjusts, within reason, but how much leeway is there?
M
M
18 November 2008, 05:25 PM
#99
How accurate do proportions of E85 and petrol have to be? The Morrisons at Wellingborough is about twenty-five minutes away, making this marginally do-able. But as a chemist I tend to get a bit wary of: "put in x litres when you're at the 1/4 mark and then top off with V-Power." Obviously the timing adjusts, within reason, but how much leeway is there?
M
M
18 November 2008, 05:38 PM
#103
The drums are sealed metal drums (you can't just open them by unscrewing a lid 
) and the garage is stands on its own halfway down a field. Following the logic of your argument, no garage or workplace would ever store anything flammable on their premises. I just think you're jealous that a) I only pay 71p per litre, and b) litre for litre, methanol is a better octane booster than E85 
18 November 2008, 05:43 PM
#104
I think I do have a fixation with that tbh.
HPA - Methanol - Incident Management
No jealously though - I am very happy with running 100% pump fuel to get 600 lb/ft
HPA - Methanol - Incident Management
No jealously though - I am very happy with running 100% pump fuel to get 600 lb/ft
18 November 2008, 05:46 PM
#105
I think I do have a fixation with that tbh.
HPA - Methanol - Incident Management
No jealously though - I am very happy with running 100% pump fuel to get 600 lb/ft
HPA - Methanol - Incident Management
No jealously though - I am very happy with running 100% pump fuel to get 600 lb/ft
I'm envious of 600lb/ft too and that you can get E85 and I can't. I'm down at Zen all day Thursday if you get the urge to show me what 600lb/ft feels like on the road 
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Andy
19 November 2008, 10:07 AM
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Or check it out here: http://www.bilar.co.uk/subaru/graphs (at the bottom)
20 November 2008, 09:22 AM
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Need to play more on the same car on both..
if there was a morrisons that sold it accessabl;e to me easily I would try it on my own car.. might see if I can pass one.
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20 November 2008, 09:23 AM
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Click on it, it will open up bigger
Or check it out here: http://www.bilar.co.uk/subaru/graphs (at the bottom)
Or check it out here: http://www.bilar.co.uk/subaru/graphs (at the bottom)
20 November 2008, 09:51 AM
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Once the ECUTek is taken off of my car I think I'll try this as opposed to a NF mix. I take it with 10% you don't have to worry about changing fuel lines, fuel tanks etc.
20 November 2008, 06:34 PM
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I've recently purchased an 05 WRX to develop my skills on OS tuning(and EMS mapping in general) with a view to working up the stages. (Currently running well on Stage 1)
I'd like to broaden my skills with tuning the Spec C as well, and plan to ask Andy to remove the ECUTek software soon. Since Morrisons is only 40 mins away, I'd like to give E85 a try.
25 November 2008, 09:18 PM
#120
Here is some information from Greenergy.
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So buying two drums or 100 litres the price to me works at £1.70 per litre so I think I will wait until Morrisons Supermarket fuel stations start stocking this as a matter of course.
We only supply one grade of e85 in drums, the e85 that Morrisons sell is not supplied by us.
There is more information about our e85 on the website: Greenergy International Ltd - Bioethanol and E95
There is more information about our e85 on the website: Greenergy International Ltd - Bioethanol and E95
The e85 is sold as a racing fuel in drums, thus it’s hefty price tag.
The cost of delivery would be £59.85 plus VAT
The cost of 50 litres of fuel would be £49.94 (with VAT at 17.5%)
The total of one drum delivered would be £120.26 including VAT at 17.5% (with £59.85 being the delivery cost which is the same for 1 – 6 drums as delivery is charged per pallet).
The total of two drums delivered would be £170.20 including VAT at 17.5%
The cost of delivery would be £59.85 plus VAT
The cost of 50 litres of fuel would be £49.94 (with VAT at 17.5%)
The total of one drum delivered would be £120.26 including VAT at 17.5% (with £59.85 being the delivery cost which is the same for 1 – 6 drums as delivery is charged per pallet).
The total of two drums delivered would be £170.20 including VAT at 17.5%