Rubbish. Lets pick on England from the past experiences of the 70's and early 80's. World Cup last year when England travelled in major numbers to Germany (Next best thing to the biggest rivals in football) and hardly any trouble at all, and what trouble there was "reported" was basically a few chants about the IRA etc. no violence etc and thats after weeks on the pi55. Scots turn up and wreck manchester in 2 nights of drinking.

I pointed out thats in most cases its minorities that set it off in every sense so I dont feel Im just picking on Scotland as such, spend 15 minutes trawling through the vids on youtube, some disgusting stuff on there.

 

Huns think they're Engerlish not Scottish and behave accordingly.

 

town looks lkew new york in iam legend this morning

 

Rubbish?

Take your blinkers off mate. It might be getting better (although the stats show an increase in arrests last year from the previous year) but its not great)

From the Football industry Group
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HOW SERIOUS IS FOOTBALL HOOLIGANISM NOW?

Football hooliganism domestically has changed significantly since the Taylor Report of 1990. All-seater stadiums, 'Football Intelligence' and Closed Circuit Television in particular have meant that incidents of violence inside football grounds (particularly in the Premiership) are rare. In addition, arrests for football-related crimes have reduced dramatically since the late 1980's whilst attendances have risen. However, this does not mean that football hooliganism has necessarily reduced. Much football disorder has been 'pushed' from the stadium itself to other meeting places, with groups needing to be better organised. It also now has the potential to be more violent. The location of most serious disorder means that violence is rarely reported and that the Police will be less able to control it and make arrests.

As stated above, there are two different phenomena that have been labelled 'hooliganism'. First is the spontaneous and usually low-level disorder that takes place in and around stadia and when English teams travel abroad. In the UK, this is relatively rare considering the number of supporters attending matches. However, abroad, English fans have often been involved in disorder (e.g. Marseille 1998, Charleroi 2000, Slovakia 2002, Albufeira 2004, Stuttgart and Cologne 2006 and Rome 1997 and 2007). Often the extent of this disorder is exaggerated by excessive media reporting and in many cases English supporters are the victims of attacks by local fans/police rather than the aggressors. The press has typically claimed such disorder is the result of 'hooligans' traveling with the intention of fighting and being able to draw drunken English fans into disorder. However, analysis of incidents from 1990-2007 in Stott and Pearson's 'Football Hooliganism: Policing the War on the English Disease' (2007 Pennant Books) criticised this view and suggested that external factors such as indiscriminate policing and the presence of aggressive local youths were usually the cause of rioting involving english fans abroad.

Second is the more serious disorder caused by hooligan 'firms' in the UK. Domestically this is still a huge problem, with most football clubs having groups of 'risk supporters' who wish to fight rival firms. UK police have to deal with the problem of organised firms trying to confront each other on a regular basis, although the disorder is rarely reported (due to the lack of coverage of incidents) and as it usually takes place far from the ground, 'normal' fans do not tend to be directly affected by it. One example of high-profile disorder between firms (which was reported), was the clash between Everton and Manchester United 'hooligans' in 2005. Footage of this can be found on 'YouTube' under the search term 'Everton Valley'.

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No one is disputing that local influences abroad can and do create worse problems than might otherwise exist, but its funny that Scottish fans are not generally "targetted" to anything like the same extent.


Just a few from random google search.

More on football violence | Special reports | guardian.co.uk

Police say England fans looking for trouble - Yahoo! Eurosport UK

BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | FA fined over Croatia fan trouble

Violent past comes back to haunt English football fans | European Football - Times Online

The Seattle Times: Soccer: World Cup Notes: Hundreds arrested in fan trouble

CNNSI.com - Soccer - Euro 2000 - English fan group boss says trouble inevitable - Monday June 05, 2000 06:58 PM

WORLD CUP; English Fan Confesses To Stabbing, Judge Says - New York Times

And lets not forget the attacks on innocent portugese

Portuguese targeted by hooligans | UK news | The Guardian

in text -

Police in riot gear used CS gas to disperse crowds in Jersey attacking members of the island's Portuguese community as trouble flared across England in the wake of the football team's exit from Euro 2004.
More than 100 England supporters besieged the Red Lion pub in Thetford, Norfolk, trapping around 120 people - many of them Portuguese - including children. Police called in reinforcements from all over Norfolk and it was more than two hours before those inside could get to safety.

There were disturbances in other parts of the country, including Boston in Lincolnshire and Croydon in south London, both scenes of rioting after England lost to France last week.

Around 1,500 England fans brought Minden Place in St Helier to a standstill after Portugal's victory. Traffic was diverted and police held back the crowd as bottles were thrown and Portuguese people, who make up around 10% of the island's population, were taunted.

Mitch Couriard, a parish police officer, said: "It was shocking. There's been nothing like this in Jersey in living memory."

The Red Lion in Thetford is managed by three Portuguese businessmen and around 80 Portuguese people were among those at the pub.

When the game ended, hooligans pelted the building with bottles and stones and tried to force their way in. Several officers and people inside the pub were said to have suffered cuts from flying glass. Police said one constable needed hospital treatment. Order was restored after police reinforcements, some in riot gear, arrived. Police said 11 people were arrested.

Jorge Pascoal, 37, who was in the pub, said: "There were about 200 people outside with bottles flying at the building and the police trying to hold them back. It was like the second world war."

Elsewhere, Thames Valley Police said a man died after an incident in a pub in Banbury, Oxfordshire. Nine people were arrested. In Liverpool, a man had his ear cut off after the game

 

just been speaking to a couple of my mates who were at the game and they were saying they knew of NO TROUBLE till they got back to there hotel room , shocking how a small contingency can make the rest of us "true blues" look bad ..

 

Point proven I think?

Maybe because you guys dont play in Europe Seriously though, I cant deny that England was well known for its football related violence in the 70's and 80's and that has carried on in our blood except its from the countries that dont bother with it as much that gives us the agro... Turkey and Italy to name but two.

 

Well, well well, disgusted but not in the least bit surprised. I am afraid this was unavoidable and typical of Rangers fans. Their existence and everything that they stand for and sing about is based on hate.

When all you do is hate is there any surprise that violence ensues?

I am not stupid, I know that this incident was caused by a particularly hatefull minority, but the problems rise for the mentality of the entire support.

Who in there right mind would throw bottles at the engineer trying to fix the big screen? Knuckle dragging brain deads, that's who.

These type of idiots support celtic as well, of that I have no doubt. But Celtic fans self police to a much better extent. At the recent old firm match a **** infront of me decided to launch something onto the pitch (at least he tried to, but turns out he was a limp wristed girly thrower). Within seconds there was a number of celtic fans around him letting him know in no uncertain terms that his actions were not acceptable.

Had the Rangers fans this type of attitude throughout their support, then the first bottle would have been thrown and that would have been it. End of story.

And please do not bring Scotland fans or Scottish fans in general into this debate. I will not be tarred with the same brush.

 

 

Well said Hail-Hail, Everyone in England should go and wreck Glasgow and see how they like it the muppets. Its funny how they threw bottles at the engineer trying to fix the screen like you said - They were there for one thing and one thing only - To cause trouble, I used to like Rangers but now i'm glad they lost and I'll be rooting for Celtic in the SPL from now on.

 

good man!

 

 

The main culprits were English people. The police had been tipped off a couple of days before the game that a large group known as the Chelsea-Rangers were coming up from london for a scrap. A bit like they did in the 80's and early 90's. Also a large number of people from Liverpool were known to be there.

 

A bunch of pished up hun w@nkers smashed up Manchester because their free telly broke down.

If you want to blame the English for anything - blame them for pisssing away the Jock's oil money.

 

Don't be so quick on that one Jasey.

Its looking like there were more than just a minority of arsehole rangers fans involved. Irrespective of what colour shirts they were wearing...

 

mighty gers are looking rather "sheepish" now lol

 

2-0 and homo novo sent off.

Perfect start to the weekend.



Well done The Dons & Celtic - Just QotS to go to round off a great week for everyone that loves the Huns

 

Ha Ha, Ow how the "Mighty" have fallen, In contention for a quadruple but now they'll be lucky if they get a cup double hahaha

 

Aye well done celtic!!!!!!
You cant help but laugh at the claims from rangers fans 6 weeks ago about the quadruple of trophies heheehehhe

Mon the 'tic

 

true, i bet they wish they had kept there mouths shut now, but thats them all over is it

 

2-0 now

this should be the silver lineing in a very dark cloud over the last week and a bit for the gers

 

That is total bullsh!t. I live in the city centre (Deansgate) and all the trouble I saw was caused by the Scots. I encountered very very few scouse and cockneys over those days.

It was absolutely no surprise that there was trouble, they were drinking from early morning through to the evening and were already starting trouble earlier in the day around Castlefield and Deansgate locks. The Scots that I was unfortunate enough to come across although jolly were rude, inconsiderate, well and truly pissed and generally scummy.

To try and pass the trouble off as English fans is ridiculous beyond belief. Rangers fans acted like ******** for the entire duration of their stay and I hope they never darken our city again. They should man up and accept that a percentage of their fans messed up and stop trying to pass the blame.

 

Well me and my bro were there (albert square) and saw no bother atall.apart from some loony in a celtic shirt run through the crowd,didnt get far and lost a bit of blood.did make me laugh though

Anyway there was over 200,000 gers fans there it was obvious that there would be some trouble, also there were loads of english there to.
Still had a great night apart from the result,but what do you expect the SFA have fcuked rangers in the ****

 

3-2 talk about doing it the hard way

 

You're talking about maybe 1 or 2 thousand that were causing trouble, 500 of which were from London. Sorry to disapoint you on that mate.

 

So even by your own count, 3/4 of the violence and trouble was not caused London fans.

I live in the City centre, had to deal with the Scottish fans making utter ****** of themselves all day, through the night and into the following day. From my own experience of those 48 hours and my friends and acquaintances feedback, the percentage of non-scots involved was very very small, you are deluding yourself if you think it was any more.

 

care to elaborate on that one?

 

Sure
the SFA should of given rangers the time off the needed to challenge for a european trophy just like the Russians did for st petersburg,they were given a break of 2 weeks,wereas rangers played 3 days before and then again 3 days after.the amount of games played in the last 2 weeks has been ridiculous.i know the players are professionals and extremely fit,but come on they are not machines. rangers should of had the backing of the SFA and it wasnt given,hence why they have been playing like knackered old donkeys.
So shame on you the SFA would not be surprised if they were not wearing green and white hooped ties

 

Did they give celtic the time off before and after seville?

celtic did the same the played a few days before lost the EUFA cup final then lost the league to you lot three days afterwards, i didnt hear any of you lot complain then, short memerios have we?

so you were saying something about green and white hooped ties? ,looks like the SFA have changed there colours then cause they must have had red white and blue ones on five years ago?

or could some people just be a little paranoid?

 

Celtic played on the Thursday night(Spl allowed them to move the game from the Saturday) then had the UEFA cup Final the following Wednesday. They then played on the sunday.
6 days rest before and 3 days rest afterwards.