Notices
Projects For Serious DIY Car Projects

'Budget' DIY Engine Rebuild

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 12:03 PM
  #631  
trails's Avatar
trails
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 13,356
Likes: 58
From: in the woods...........555 Wagon Sqn
Default

Originally Posted by silent running
Cool - good luck with it all, don't hesitate to PM me if you have any head-scratching moments!
thank you
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 08:23 AM
  #632  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Just for information for anyone who's interested: it went through the MOT fine, running just a sports cat and Zen's existing map, it went through emissions at 0.06% CO (limit 0.2), 28 ppm HC (limit 200), lambda 1.016 (bang in the middle of the 0.97 to 1.03 specified range) at fast idle; 0.01 CO against a limit of 0.30 at normal idle.

So the engine seems healthy according to at least that measure.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 04:17 PM
  #633  
MMT WRX's Avatar
MMT WRX
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,278
Likes: 0
Default

Nice one mate you must be really chuffed after all the time and effort you have spent doing it.

Now go and enjoy it.

Well done.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 05:12 PM
  #634  
Matt578's Avatar
Matt578
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 566
Likes: 0
From: Torbay, Devon
Default

I wonder how mine will do on the mot as i have no cats at all
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 05:57 PM
  #635  
bioforger's Avatar
bioforger
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 16,995
Likes: 5
From: Pig Hill, Wiltsh1te
Default

it will fail
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 07:18 PM
  #636  
STI_Baly's Avatar
STI_Baly
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,588
Likes: 1
From: My Workshop, Kent
Default

Nick the thread is brilliant and well done for righting it all up as well as building this yourself. I hope it all continues to go well for you.

Maybe you could list some further pitfalls you faced? if anymore?

Baly
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 09:23 PM
  #637  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Well here's one for starters: after your car has been on a SORN for the best part of a year, and you've got a freshly built engine that can't be left to idle on the driveway and needs driving around to start the bedding in process, how do you get it at least partly run in properly without any insurance, MOT or tax? Answers on a postcard please...

Actually the main problem was the fact that there are a fair few bits of specialist garage equipment that even the most well stocked DIYer might not have e.g. a valve spring compressor, compression tester, grinding stick, feeler gauges, plastigauge, dial gauges, oilstone etc etc. They all cost money. Plus you've got a lot of blind alleys to go down when you do the job the first time. My biggest puzzle was how to get the gudgeon pins out at first. That was a real head-scratcher. Then the next problem was that because I didn't borrow any money to do the build and just bought bit by bit that I needed each month, what order I had to do things in to make the best use of time and money. Also the hassle of having to get the block and heads machined and then the problem with the valve stem/shim lengths and getting them right.

Still, next time I will know the pitfalls and avoid them. If I could have hung on a bit longer I would have got myself a TD05-20G as well and bunged that on because it would have been no work whatsoever to do the swap while the engine was out. In fact it's not that much work even with the engine in TBH. But I had to draw the line somewhere - maybe that's the hardest part of doing your own build, knowing where to stop LOL
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 09:56 PM
  #638  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Wink

Originally Posted by silent running
Well here's one for starters: after your car has been on a SORN for the best part of a year, and you've got a freshly built engine that can't be left to idle on the driveway and needs driving around to start the bedding in process, how do you get it at least partly run in properly without any insurance, MOT or tax? Answers on a postcard please...
But silent, that's of no concern of the "We have no interest in how ordinary folk HAVE to live their lives . It's alien to us and we don't care - we just want your money"-based govt./DVLA .

Shame on you for asking.

Last edited by joz8968; Feb 17, 2009 at 10:00 PM.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 10:23 PM
  #639  
rb5_336's Avatar
rb5_336
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 955
Likes: 0
From: Sussex
Default

Originally Posted by silent running
Well here's one for starters: after your car has been on a SORN for the best part of a year, and you've got a freshly built engine that can't be left to idle on the driveway and needs driving around to start the bedding in process, how do you get it at least partly run in properly without any insurance, MOT or tax? Answers on a postcard please...
I was in the same position.

My track/spring car was run in on a trackday running a closed loop lambda setting the fueling enough to drive safely, and safe ignition values. Then I got it MOT'd, then did the run in period on the road, then had it mapped properly.

Sean
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 08:17 AM
  #640  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

LOL the very first thing I did after that was to pre-book an MOT and drive immediately there which is legal of course as long as you have insurance which I did.

Interestingly the MOT tester said he reckons soon you will have to insure SORN cars on your own land.
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 09:04 AM
  #641  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Default

Originally Posted by silent running
...Interestingly the MOT tester said he reckons soon you will have to insure SORN cars on your own land...
FFS. Is there nothing this country won't screw you over for?!
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 07:25 PM
  #642  
mickywrx's Avatar
mickywrx
Unmapped 12.4s @ 105
20 Year Member
iTrader: (29)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 11,778
Likes: 4
From: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Cool

Originally Posted by joz8968
FFS. Is there nothing this country won't screw you over for?!
Makes sense in way.

IF, big if granted, someone stole your SORN'd car what could you do if it wasn't insured. Cry, moan and hope that it's found, but not a lot else unless it was covered by home and contents.

Nick,

Glad it's all come together in the end, has been a very good read and you should give yourself a pat on the back
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 09:17 PM
  #643  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Pat has been duly delivered to back. I must say, I am really really pleased. It's a very cool feeling knowing that I built that thing myself and it actually works.

BTW I know the justification for having SORN vehicles insured, but it should be optional, like home buildings or contents insurance is. And of course all it does is inconvenience law abiding drivers and makes no difference to the motoring underclass who have no tax, insurance or MOT and often no driving licence. Still, that's for another thread!

Anyway, back on topic - I am now about to sort out the remap date at Zen some time in March to have it tweaked and do a power run, then it's off to the 'Ring the week before Easter.
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 09:52 PM
  #644  
Matt578's Avatar
Matt578
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 566
Likes: 0
From: Torbay, Devon
Default

Originally Posted by bioforger
it will fail
I thought so, but thanks for the confidence boost lol
Reply
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 09:58 AM
  #645  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Exclamation

Originally Posted by mickywrx
...unless it was covered by home and contents....
Surely it MUST be covered on H&C Ins.(this is what I understand - hence my post)?! Otherwise, the SORN mechanism is flawed if it means that a SORN'd car is stolen off someone's property!

That's REALLY worrying if this is the case
Reply
Old Feb 19, 2009 | 07:10 PM
  #646  
mickywrx's Avatar
mickywrx
Unmapped 12.4s @ 105
20 Year Member
iTrader: (29)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 11,778
Likes: 4
From: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Post

Originally Posted by joz8968
Surely it MUST be covered on H&C Ins.(this is what I understand - hence my post)?! Otherwise, the SORN mechanism is flawed if it means that a SORN'd car is stolen off someone's property!

That's REALLY worrying if this is the case
I don't know enough about insurance, was just thinking out loud.

I agree though, but, we digress...back on topic.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 12:40 AM
  #647  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

UPDATE: After a couple of days away, it's now just passed 500 miles, so I did another oil change. Shocked to find that the price of genuine Subaru oil filters has doubled and they wanted £25 for two at the parts desk. I bought one and used it for this latest oil change. I guess I'll look around and see if I can find any at the old price still, for the 1000 mile oil change which will mark the end of the running in period. Got a slight problem with a loose inlet pipe which you can hear hissing a little on boost, but I should be able to fix it.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 08:25 AM
  #648  
trails's Avatar
trails
Scooby Regular
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 13,356
Likes: 58
From: in the woods...........555 Wagon Sqn
Default

seems they have all gone up; even Camskill are doing them for £13.69 now CAMSKILL PRODUCTS Classic Impreza Air/Oil/Fuel Filter 1994 to 2000 :: £13.69 :: Subaru Impreza Turbo Parts, Tuning, Spares & Accessories :: 2.0i Turbo GC8/GF8 94 TO 00 UK - Engine & Ancilliary Parts ::
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 09:40 AM
  #649  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Those buggers. I wonder if these Pit Work filters are any good that are now the same price as the Subaru ones.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 10:27 AM
  #650  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Default

Wierd, you'd have thought the price to come down in this shrinking economy.

That's just typcal of living in modern Britan though - they'll always find a way of screwing you, even in uncertain times .

Although not welcome news, even though the filters have doubled to £14 or whatever, is it really such a problem, when you bear in mind how vital it is to the engine? Especially when you take account the % of the cost of the filter to the annual (or even six-monthly) expenditure of running a Subaru. It's 'nothing'... (still annoying though).

Last edited by joz8968; Feb 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 01:42 PM
  #651  
STI_Baly's Avatar
STI_Baly
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,588
Likes: 1
From: My Workshop, Kent
Default

I'm glad i stocked up on them beforehand....4.99 a filter inc squish ring.

Original scoob too.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 02:00 PM
  #652  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Default

Originally Posted by STI_Baly
I'm glad i stocked up on them beforehand....4.99 a filter inc squish ring.

Original scoob too.
Wise thinking Baly (as they would surely never go BELOW that paltry price?!) .

Well done lol.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 04:53 PM
  #653  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Well I had three, but running in goes through them at quite a rate. I took the plunge in the end and went and bought another genuine one from Subaru.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2009 | 08:35 PM
  #654  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Default

Yes, the running in period is annoying if the price of the filters have doubled .

...But... once through this....
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2009 | 10:28 AM
  #655  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Yes I am looking forward to it. I'll finish running in at 1000 miles, got Zen booked for the remap in a month's time, a week or two before the annual 'Ring trip, so let's hope it all holds together.
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2009 | 11:25 PM
  #656  
555Subbie's Avatar
555Subbie
Scooby Newbie
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: Sweden
Default

Originally Posted by silent running
Adding the finishing touches to the block before doing the timing etc. I had fitted the cam pulleys to see what they'd look like, but took them off again to fit all the bits and bobs that needed to go onto the block before final assembly.

I had to remove the front cam bearing caps and refit them because I forgot to add a little Threebond in there. I lined up the cams according to the Subaru manual, which were close to where I'd set them but not quite right. Next job was on the top of the block - to fit the oil pressure switch adapter in front of the water crossover pie and the oil temp bung adapter behind it. Dipstick tube is now in place, secured by one bolt and a new pair of rubber o-rings down the bottom.

I had a load of random black water pipework to sort through for refitting, eventually realised that there are two designs of water pump, and mine is the one with two water outlets at the side. Got the right pipes and ran them up the side of the head and over the top, bolted down with two bolts on top, one on the side.

Finally fitted the water pipe between water pump and modine oil cooler. Still the plastic left and right rear cambelt covers can't go on, as I need to fit the rocker covers first. Then the rear covers go on, the bottom idler bearing goes on, the cam pulleys go on (78Nm, hold the cams still with a big spanner on their hex section) and it should be ready for timing up...
Very nice pics here, that boost my inspiration...as i also is rebuilding my EJ22 engine...too right now thanks for shareing /Per from Sweden
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 05:57 PM
  #657  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Glad it's been useful! I'm now at 800 miles on the new engine and I've set the rev limit up to 5000rpm, boost up to 1.2 bar (at 1000 miles it'll go to the normal settings of 1.45 bar/7000 rpm until I get it remapped which will hopefully give it the all-clear for an STi rev limit of 8200rpm). TBH it's already flying just on 1 bar of boost and 5000rpm - it feels really strong from low down even though it's a bit surgey at certain points but I'm sure that will map out.
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 08:45 PM
  #658  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Question

Hi silent.

I'm getting an uprated rebuilt engine for my 93 WRX - see here:-

https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...ke-easily.html

What do you suggest for the running in procedure?

Is it change filter and running-in oil at 100m, then do this again at 500m? Then at 1000m, after fully run in, new filter and a decent fully synth full Ester (I'll be using either Millers CFS 10W-40 or Silkolene Pro R 15W-50).

Should I keep it to 3-4k rpm for the 1st 500m with lots of varing loads on the engine (off boost, obviously)? Then up it to 5k for the final 500m, until run-in?

Cheers
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 06:17 PM
  #659  
silent running's Avatar
silent running
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,957
Likes: 1
From: East coast.
Default

Well this is a bit of a can of worms here, but from what I read, and heard - and it makes sense - you need to give a fresh engine some stick to get it to run in properly. My understanding is that basically 'running in' means getting the rings bedded in properly to the cylinders so that for the life of the engine you get good ring-to-cylinder-wall-seal. The hone finish on the cylinders against the rings moving up and down is what does it, hence why you use ****ty £1/litre mineral oil to do the running in with - you don't want too little friction. Once the bores have glazed over by too-gentle running in, you will never get good ring seal.

So that's the theory. In practice, it means this:
1. Start engine, don't leave it idling, immediately drive it round the block for twenty minutes and get the oil up to temperature, work it through the gears with a lot of throttle then engine braking to force those rings up against the cylinder walls. Change oil and filter (Morrisons mineral 10w40!)
2. Same sort of everyday driving, avoiding idling or cruising totally, just acceleration, deceleration through the gears, keeping it to under 3000 rpm, but using a little boost if it's there (mine was limited to 0.8 bar). Change oil and filter at 100 miles.
3. Up rev limit to 4000 rpm until 500 miles, again avoiding idling and cruising, boost up to 1.0 bar. Change oil and filter
4. Rev limit up to 5500 rpm until 1000 miles, full boost available, just driving fairly fast and normally but not thrashing the nuts off it or hitting the temporary limit. Change oil and filter, running in is now complete, switch to full boost and almost full revs pending remap, put in the good oil (in my case Silkolene Pro S 15w50)

I've got another 150 miles to go then it's run in. So far the engine feels very eager and I'm glad I gave it some proper welly early on - no funny noises so far and it growls like a mildly aggravated tiger.
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 10:41 PM
  #660  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Thumbs up

Excellent, thanks.

Yeah, I'm aware that the running i period is to achieve the best 'seal' between piston rings and cylinder walls, etc...

A lot of people - me included - thought it was to bed in the big-end (and main) bearings, but API David said that this is not the case. If assembled correctly in the first place, etc, then the bottom end is the best it's going to be, and it would only be debris, incorrect tolerences, insufficient oil pressure/supply and det that would cause the bottom end to fail.

That said, even if it was okay to use full boost (if just a bottom end was done, and not the pistons too), there's still no way that I would! lol.
Reply



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:51 PM.