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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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I go quite frequently to Kiev and keep meaning to go on a "guided tour" of Chernobyl. Yes, they are offered by Tourist agencies in Kiev.
Will be going again in June and will make the effort to go and see the reactor area.
Will report on my return!
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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Another vote for the game STALKER, its absolutely brilliant, very atmospheric. Yes, it is set round Chernobyl and Pripyat, they havent done a rip off. The areas have been mapped very accurately.
That's cool then. As long as it is named as actually being there. Should be making donations to the kids fund otherwise!

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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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i believe this is the Chernobyl swimming pool thats in cod4
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 06:09 PM
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I always wondered what would happen (god forbid) if a similar event occured in modern day UK.
After the explosion in Chernobyl, people were ordered to go in and clean up. Later, voulenteers were asked for.
Those soldiers who stepped up to shovel contaminated graphite from the roof back into the hole were given something like a year off their compulsory military service for every 60 seconds they stayed up there.

What would the situation be like in todays H&S ridden, compensation culture?
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by David_Dickson
I always wondered what would happen (god forbid) if a similar event occured in modern day UK.
After the explosion in Chernobyl, people were ordered to go in and clean up. Later, voulenteers were asked for.
Those soldiers who stepped up to shovel contaminated graphite from the roof back into the hole were given something like a year off their compulsory military service for every 60 seconds they stayed up there.

What would the situation be like in todays H&S ridden, compensation culture?
I knew we would find a use for all those layabouts we have !
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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Whilst the kidofspeed site is shocking, wasn't it ousted as a "fake"?

Obviously you can't make up those types of photos, but the story about the bird was called into question at the time.

I actually use the site as a Tutorial lesson at College. It certainly shuts up any of the gobby little gits!!

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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 07:25 PM
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Some pics here Chernobyl and Pripyat REPORT 25/07/07 - UK Urban Exploration Forums
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo555
Whilst the kidofspeed site is shocking, wasn't it ousted as a "fake"?
It's a fake story. She did go there, but on a guided tour rather than by herself on a motorbike. So the photos are all legit, but the story she padded them with is made up somewhat.

Still good photos and a good site IMO, she didn't need to lie about the story and it would still have been very interesting.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by David_Dickson
I always wondered what would happen (god forbid) if a similar event occured in modern day UK.
After the explosion in Chernobyl, people were ordered to go in and clean up. Later, voulenteers were asked for.
Those soldiers who stepped up to shovel contaminated graphite from the roof back into the hole were given something like a year off their compulsory military service for every 60 seconds they stayed up there.

What would the situation be like in todays H&S ridden, compensation culture?


that special red and white safety tape that's used at motorsport events to stop the crowd would be placed around the fire, while parliament argued over who was going to put the fire out.

meanwhile the newspapers have reported that F1 is to blame for the explosion and mclaren will be hauled into the dock.

within the following 3 weeks gordon brown will probably say something along the lines of "it was bin laden, we will sort it out soon"

at this point all the firemen have left the country, so the government decides that the polish community will be able to be trained up to tackle the raging fire.


btw its going to take the poles around 5 weeks to train up enough, to get valid driving licences so they can drive the fire truck to the fire


you can see where this is going lol
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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FlashEarth link. I was crap obviously, this link has been cribbed from someone else. The satellite pictures are extremely clear too.

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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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Largest moving manmade structure ever built required to cover the reactor whilst its dismantled.

YouTube - Chernobyl New Safe Confinement / Sarcophagus

New Safe Confinement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Following that 28 days later link. The Nat Geo article mentions the abundance of life in the area. Some older people have even gone back as they missed their home.

They were moved to nearby town and given compensation. They were outcasts and disliked as they had been given money and homes whereas the locals got nothing.

I really would like to go.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EddScott

Also - there is an excellent article in National Geographic April 2006 called "The long shadow of Chernobyl"
i remember reading this, very good with some cracking pics a very interesting subject to read about (well, for some i guess!)
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 08:37 PM
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So how do you get there and arrange a tour?

How far is it from the UK?

Drive there and back for charity? seriously I would do it

Might need a new camera though
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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The tour guide that took some other 28 days later did not get very close,so i think it is enter at your own risk
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 09:52 PM
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Oh OK. I'd seriously drive there if I could get sponsorship and find a charity to raise money for.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Anyone remeber the old joke that went round ?

"Why must you never wear Russian underpants"

"Cos, Chernobyl fallout"


Edd, yes I do though not very often and not very well !

Might get a copy of Stalker.



I find the whole thing fascinating (and obviously very girm), I suspect the Chernobyl disaster played a big part in the fall of the Soviet Union, I work for a company involved in the Nuclear industry and am an advocate of nuclear power, it is quite scary to think about but then so is having no power when the oil,gas and coal runs out, the government has made a big statement about its commitment to a new nuclear programme, my company is looking to recruit a lot of qualified staff, basically the guys that did the last lot have all retired now so if you are stuck for a career move may I recommend a Physics degree as if you go the nuclear way you wont be short of a job.

The can be operated safely, current technology and procedures are a million miles away from Cold War Era soviet stuff.
If every fossil fuel powered power station was replaced with nuclear we'd use up all fissile material within 35 years apparently.
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Old Apr 2, 2008 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
If every fossil fuel powered power station was replaced with nuclear we'd use up all fissile material within 35 years apparently.
Sorry but that's absolute rubbish.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Sorry but that's absolute rubbish.
World energy resources and consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"These figures may be too optimistic. Energy Watch Group reports show that we already cannot supply the demand for oil[34] and that uranium resources will be exhausted within 70 years. [35]"

If all power sources were replaced with nuclear, that 70 year figure will be halved, maybe more. Although I don't find all the info on this site to be accurate, the 35 year figure is supported by other sources I have read.

PS. Australia has the largest source of Uranium.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 12:30 AM
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my apologies, I read there was 70 years of currently known about and economically recoverable uranium. obv there's possibly a lot of it about not yet known about as it's currently not viable to recover it.

breeder reactors will be used long term that are much more efficient.

also: Uranium supply
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
my apologies, I read there was 70 years of currently known about and economically recoverable uranium. obv there's possibly a lot of it about not yet known about as it's currently not viable to recover it.

breeder reactors will be used long term that are much more efficient.

also: Uranium supply
A good read. Not sure though, in low-grade ore at least, only 0.1% to 0.25% of it produces a viable fuel.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Klaatu
World energy resources and consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"These figures may be too optimistic. Energy Watch Group reports show that we already cannot supply the demand for oil[34] and that uranium resources will be exhausted within 70 years. [35]"

If all power sources were replaced with nuclear, that 70 year figure will be halved, maybe more. Although I don't find all the info on this site to be accurate, the 35 year figure is supported by other sources I have read.

PS. Australia has the largest source of Uranium.
You are quoting years based on the use of natural uranium deposits, however the future will see a large proportion of nuclear fuel made from mixed oxides (MOX) fuel. These are uranium and plutonium oxides recovered from recycled 'spent' nuclear fuel. MOX is currently manufactured in France (MELOX), Belgium and in the UK at the Sellafield Mox Plant. There are advanced plans to build a MOX plant here in Japan and Russia also (maybe others too). MOX fuel is currently being used in reactors in Belgium, Switzerland, Germany and France. The future is nuclear

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by coolangatta
You are quoting years based on the use of natural uranium deposits, however the future will see a large proportion of nuclear fuel made from mixed oxides (MOX) fuel. These are uranium and plutonium oxides recovered from recycled 'spent' nuclear fuel. MOX is currently manufactured in France (MELOX), Belgium and in the UK at the Sellafield Mox Plant. There are advanced plans to build a MOX plant here in Japan and Russia also (maybe others too). MOX fuel is currently being used in reactors in Belgium, Switzerland, Germany and France. The future is nuclear
Yes that is right. I never suggested anything otherwise. But the MOX fuels still require the base ore and uranium to be refined and used in order to produce MOX.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 11:31 AM
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I find the whole Chernobyl & Pripyat story fascinating.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 12:33 PM
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Anyway, the oil and Uranium will see me out so thats ok.

Hopefully by then we will have started making better use of renewables like wind, solar and tidal power, is there is a definite finite amount of easily extractable non renewable energy.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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Quick thread revival

Chernobyl Tour, Ukraine: Visit the Site of the Nuclear Disaster/Accident. Chernobyl (Chornobyl) trip picture.

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Tour, hotel and flight. Long weekend with visit to chernobyl on the Sunday.

More concerned about the local mafia than the radiation. I want to go but don't fancy going alone. Misses doesn't want to go


On entering and leaving the 30-kilometer zone, the participant undergoes a radioactivity testing and is given an official computer-generated printout.
What happens if its too high? Do they make you stay
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 01:58 PM
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S.T.A.L.K.E.R. arrived today - ordered on recommendation from this thread for £10 from play.com

Hope it's good
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 02:08 PM
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Didn't know about the 'Kidd of Speed' site getting closed down, but I was completely fascinated with the words and photos when I first saw it. Seen a few of the threads on 28 Days Later too, and I was up until about 3am last night playing the Pripyat level on CoD4 last night and pretty much sh!tting myself inside out!

Also I read somewhere on a photography site that apparently when the accident happened, Pripyat was fully evacuated within three hours, how much truth is in that I don't know, but very impressive if its true!
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 02:08 PM
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I got it as well, seems pretty good, £9.50 off Fleabay !
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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STALKER Weather Overhauled, Stalker Downloads, Stalker Singleplayer

I installed this mod. Has the SHARPER mod and Float32. STALKER will really benefit from some good visual mods and a quick machine.

Enabling cars can be handy if you can't be bothered to walk everywhere - they are actually in the game to be used but when the game was shortened they locked them. I never did as it too away the feeling of desolation.

The game was originally called STALKER: Oblivion Lost. There is a mod that makes the game close to the original ideas. Near complete free roaming.

IMO, it could have been a very successful MMO.

I'd also recommend a decent walkthrough as you can get a lost at first. Make sure the walkthrough advises you to complete the IIRC "Meet the guide" mission because not doing this mission means you don't get the option to play the final level.

Its hard at first but really stick with it, the reward is worth it.

Sorry if this seems like a spoiler but you'll thank me. I'd go as far as to say its easily as good as Half Life 2 and its theme is more interesting.

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How early on is that in the game Edd? I remember you telling us about this game a while ago. I've got it but never got into it but I have doen a few missions.
Going to try out that visual addon as well!
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