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Old 06 January 2008, 12:45 PM
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Are you running an MD195S turbo jd?

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Old 06 January 2008, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jd5217


my sti8 with the www.eginetuner.co.uk gt30 hybrid on stock internals
when do you see full boost on the road?
Old 06 January 2008, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jd5217


my sti8 with the www.eginetuner.co.uk gt30 hybrid on stock internals
torque appears to be low for 420ish bhp? any explanations? bearing in mind im getting 380 on similar bhp but with different turbo on a 18 housing on a standard 2.0
Old 06 January 2008, 01:27 PM
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torque curve looks like staged boost? lower and then increasing with RPM?
written on the graph it says 1.5bar?

or it wheel span

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Old 06 January 2008, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
when do you see full boost on the road?
Logfile taken from SimTek ecu shows from applying full load @ 2700rpm full boost of 1.5 bar is achieved @ 3500rpm...
Old 07 January 2008, 11:24 AM
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On a 2ltr engine is their any real benefit in running the 3" inlet pipe or is it better to run the standard size?

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Old 07 January 2008, 12:26 PM
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the more interesting thing is an STI8 with simtek ECU.
Old 07 January 2008, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
On a 2ltr engine is their any real benefit in running the 3" inlet pipe or is it better to run the standard size?

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Mark @ Lateral said no real tangible benefit of going to 3" inlet pipe to me, I've got the standard size samco on mine.
Old 07 January 2008, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
the more interesting thing is an STI8 with simtek ECU.
Were you not aware they did them .....?
Old 07 January 2008, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
On a 2ltr engine is their any real benefit in running the 3" inlet pipe or is it better to run the standard size?

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Nope my 321T runs a standard size prodrive silicone inlet from Mark. You do need a silcone pipe though. We first ran mine on the standard inlet pipe and car would not hold more than 1.5 bar over 6k revs, changing it to the sicone pipe solved the problem and it now runs 2 bar to the red line with no issues.
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i may have missed something here but i was under the impresion that the only difference in the h and the t was the size of the inlet.i thought the h had the standered inlet and the t had the bigger 3in inlet.
Old 07 January 2008, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bigarf
i may have missed something here but i was under the impresion that the only difference in the h and the t was the size of the inlet.i thought the h had the standered inlet and the t had the bigger 3in inlet.
The H and T are two competely different turbos mate.
Old 08 January 2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
the more interesting thing is an STI8 with simtek ECU.
the 1st!
Old 08 January 2008, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by frayz
The H and T are two competely different turbos mate.
They are quite similar actually and share many of the same parts, lets just say you may not be able to tell them apart from the outside

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Old 08 January 2008, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hammer
Nope my 321T runs a standard size prodrive silicone inlet from Mark. You do need a silcone pipe though. We first ran mine on the standard inlet pipe and car would not hold more than 1.5 bar over 6k revs, changing it to the sicone pipe solved the problem and it now runs 2 bar to the red line with no issues.
Interesting. I was thinking about getting one of these myself because I'm on my 3rd OE pipe so far and don't want to pay £200 for a pipe where I'm going to block most of the outlets off anyway. Do you use a VTA dump valve, or keep it recirculating and somehow modify the Prodrive pipe to take input from the DV return?
Old 08 January 2008, 07:27 PM
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You can use a Samco, SFS or Perrin pipe and retain the recirc port if required.
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Originally Posted by silent running
Interesting. I was thinking about getting one of these myself because I'm on my 3rd OE pipe so far and don't want to pay £200 for a pipe where I'm going to block most of the outlets off anyway. Do you use a VTA dump valve, or keep it recirculating and somehow modify the Prodrive pipe to take input from the DV return?
I use a HKS VTA which seems to work well, so the Prodrive one was ideal for me, or do as Andy suggests.
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Originally Posted by Andy.F
They are quite similar actually and share many of the same parts, lets just say you may not be able to tell them apart from the outside
so how do you tell the difference between the 2 and what is the reason for fitting some with standered inlet and some with larger ones.
Old 08 January 2008, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bigarf
so how do you tell the difference between the 2 and what is the reason for fitting some with standered inlet and some with larger ones.
number written on the turbo dynamics label.

inlet size - convenience of fitment now really as it seems to make little difference to power output
Old 09 January 2008, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
number written on the turbo dynamics label.

inlet size - convenience of fitment now really as it seems to make little difference to power output
Does it help reduce surge or do the H and T not suffer from that?
Old 09 January 2008, 09:03 AM
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Less surge with the smaller inlet in my experience.
Old 09 January 2008, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lunar tick
Marmski - I have the 321H on a standard 03 STI engine. If it's the 'H' you're referring too (I think it is when you mention 400/400) then here are my thoughts:

Can a standard MY05 STi Type UK take this turbo/power with its standard clutch? - Yes, providing you're not into full-blooded standing start launches

As i understand from various reading other supporting mods would need to be:
650-750cc injectors - yes, 650s are perfect
New Headers (im assuming i can still keep un-equal?) - yes, tubular headers really lifted the performance of my H compared to ported OEMs
Decat system - I run hi-flow sports cat and have just squeezed out 400bhp
Turbo - Yes
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump - yes
Remap - absolutely!

And then the engine will produce a safe 400/400 on Tesco99/V-Power? Should do; I use a bit of NF for extra safety. Obviously at 400bhp, the engine will be under more stress, but I gather there are several standard engines running well at this power output - the key is good mapping

With regards to other upgrades, are the brembos upto this kinda power? - not really; I'm using Performance Friction discs and pads - absolutely amazing! (suspension is standard shocks but on STi Pink Springs). Also STi panel filter in.

This just sounds like a perfect turbo (why doesnt everyone use these?!!?!) - guess lots of people are put off by the extra outlay compared to some other turbos
This is just the kind of thread I shouldn't be reading but here goes:

I already have the upgraded pump, brakes and miltek 3" decat exhaust. Car is my53 sti with APS TMIC and APS cold air intake doing 350+ bhp on v34 (for over a year now and not one problem).

How much would it cost to add the turbo with all supporting parts (all fitted) to my car ...... I'm after c400/400 on standard vpower/tesco fuel.
Old 14 January 2008, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
I consdiered this route ?? but once you are rotated it seems a step backwards ?? I have seen alan bells progress with methonal maps , but I still think the garret rotated is the better option for 500bhp plus
I think it depends on how far over 500bhp you want tbh. There are other turbos on the market that can get over 500bhp in the standard position without the need for "funny" fuel mixes and high boost levels.
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Old 15 January 2008, 05:58 AM
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just fitted the md321t with the 3" inlet to my car this week also fitted new headers and up pipe 650cc injectors zac at mocom is mapping it monday so i think i will be more than happy think i should see some good figures. the engine at the momment is a standard 03 plate sti engine what sort of figures do you think i will see for now will be going 2.5 built engine soon
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mines running the 321h on the standered 03 sti was running 383 but after a few more mods added and a short spell at the scooby clinic its now running 418 which ime well happy with.ill just have to save up for an engine rebuild now as surely it must be on the edge.
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Is it necessary to use a 3" exhaust with the MD321H?
At the moment I´m using a GT-Spec Header & Up-pipe, decat down-pipe and straight 2,5" to the end.
thx
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Old 15 January 2008, 08:30 PM
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Me too !
Is a 3" system essential ? Or can I make do with a catted TSL system till later ?
Then tweak the map once the bank balance recovers a bit !

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Old 15 January 2008, 08:34 PM
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I wonder how many MD's have been bought on the strength of this thread
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Originally Posted by cookstar
I wonder how many MD's have been bought on the strength of this thread
Probably quite a few


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