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best of luck to you in disciplining a one year old not to play with a dog
Or is it iresponsible adults who have children and think that at one year old they are mature enough to be left with a dog that could harm them... maybe leave the medecine cabinet open too because they will have told the one year old not to touch the contents wouldnt they
Or is it iresponsible adults who have children and think that at one year old they are mature enough to be left with a dog that could harm them... maybe leave the medecine cabinet open too because they will have told the one year old not to touch the contents wouldnt they
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sad story and especially at this time of year too. i think the old saying familiarity breeds contempt is the main problem here, after all, no-one in their right mind would allow a 7yr old to introduce a baby to an unfamiliar dog. And tbh i think most pet owners are guilty of leaving the room momentarily whilst their pet dog and their child are left alone together, as their dog 'wouldn't hurt a fly' etc. are they as guilty as the parents/grandparents of the baby?.....
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Oh thats right, the UK fails to record them, so the true figures are unknown.
The reason its the same handful of breeds, is as I said earlier, they are trophy dogs, the ones you buy to look 'ard. People that know nothing about the breed buy them to look good, dont know and cant be bothered to train them, as long as they look dangerous. When it comes to the crunch, the same irresponsible owners allow them in dangerous situation.
I have been bitten by a cross breed thing as a child, mum was bitten by a GSD years back...... they aint on the list.
Strange how those who DONT like dogs that much, and know less about them always blame the dog when this happens.
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Threads like this, the dog fans will blame the owners, the dog haters will blame the animal and neither will convince the other. All i'd say as someone who doesn't like dogs is if i had a kid who was attacked by someone else's dog, god help the dog and god help the owner.
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Inaccurate Rottweiler Statistics
Interesting read from the USA.
Rottweilers were recorded for 37 mauling deaths mostly during the 1990s. German shepherds followed with 17, Huskies at 15, Malamutes at 12, and Doberman pinschers with nine
Malamutes figure high, but are NOT bred for attacking, guarding (cos they are crap at it) but for pulling sleds lol
Interesting read from the USA.
Rottweilers were recorded for 37 mauling deaths mostly during the 1990s. German shepherds followed with 17, Huskies at 15, Malamutes at 12, and Doberman pinschers with nine
Malamutes figure high, but are NOT bred for attacking, guarding (cos they are crap at it) but for pulling sleds lol
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But it all depends where you are coming from, pro dogs or anti dogs. I'm not a dog fan and i'd willingly have all potentially dangerous dogs put down if it saved one human life. I'd do it myself too. But then you have people who like dogs and for them its obviously a trade off worth having.
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First of all ANY dog has the potential to 'snap' and kill a 1 year old baby whether it be a Rottweiller or a Jack Russell, all it takes is a bite to the throat and the child could easily be killed as even small dogs have powerfull enough jaws to crush a babys throat. No matter how well a dog is trained whether it's been through military or any other training it can never be trusted 100%.
As for disciplining a 1 year old
Yes you can tell it off but do you really think it has the mental capability at that age to learn and remember what it's just been told? All it's thinking about is what it sees at that age.
The fact is this dog reportedly had never shown any aggression previously. It was a trusted family pet and minors were in charge of other minors. A 16 year old is not capable of looking after a number of young children just as pre schools have to have a certain number of staff in relation to how many children they look after.
This was a tragic accident that ultimately is the fault of the owners of the dog in believing it was a 'safe' pet to have children around with not enough supervision.
As for disciplining a 1 year old
Yes you can tell it off but do you really think it has the mental capability at that age to learn and remember what it's just been told? All it's thinking about is what it sees at that age.The fact is this dog reportedly had never shown any aggression previously. It was a trusted family pet and minors were in charge of other minors. A 16 year old is not capable of looking after a number of young children just as pre schools have to have a certain number of staff in relation to how many children they look after.
This was a tragic accident that ultimately is the fault of the owners of the dog in believing it was a 'safe' pet to have children around with not enough supervision.
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But it all depends where you are coming from, pro dogs or anti dogs. I'm not a dog fan and i'd willingly have all potentially dangerous dogs put down if it saved one human life. I'd do it myself too. But then you have people who like dogs and for them its obviously a trade off worth having.
The problem is identifying "dangerous" dogs.
One thing I would love to know, all the people who have been involved with a child death and owned the dog. Are they deemed unfit to have a dog again?
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People who own ANY dog should always keep an eye on them or keep them away from small children....
How many children need to be be maimed or killed as this one year old has been today.
NO DOG is fully child proof...
And why on earth do people have dangerous dogs with small children !
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BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Family dog kills one-year-old boy
How many children need to be be maimed or killed as this one year old has been today.
NO DOG is fully child proof...
And why on earth do people have dangerous dogs with small children !
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BBC NEWS | England | West Yorkshire | Family dog kills one-year-old boy
Will just say that NO dog should EVER be left unsupervised with a child. Even a small dog can turn and kill an infant!
A Rottie is actually an excellent family pet (it's not a dangerous breed), but like any animal: there are bad examples (more often bad owners) However, it is a animal and, as such is not 100% predictable. It is also a large animal, which has the potential to do significant damage, so common sense dictates you do not leave it unattended with children.
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First of all ANY dog has the potential to 'snap' and kill a 1 year old baby whether it be a Rottweiller or a Jack Russell, all it takes is a bite to the throat and the child could easily be killed as even small dogs have powerfull enough jaws to crush a babys throat. No matter how well a dog is trained whether it's been through military or any other training it can never be trusted 100%.
As for disciplining a 1 year old Yes you can tell it off but do you really think it has the mental capability at that age to learn and remember what it's just been told? All it's thinking about is what it sees at that age.
The fact is this dog reportedly had never shown any aggression previously. It was a trusted family pet and minors were in charge of other minors. A 16 year old is not capable of looking after a number of young children just as pre schools have to have a certain number of staff in relation to how many children they look after.
This was a tragic accident that ultimately is the fault of the owners of the dog in believing it was a 'safe' pet to have children around with not enough supervision.
As for disciplining a 1 year old
Yes you can tell it off but do you really think it has the mental capability at that age to learn and remember what it's just been told? All it's thinking about is what it sees at that age.The fact is this dog reportedly had never shown any aggression previously. It was a trusted family pet and minors were in charge of other minors. A 16 year old is not capable of looking after a number of young children just as pre schools have to have a certain number of staff in relation to how many children they look after.
This was a tragic accident that ultimately is the fault of the owners of the dog in believing it was a 'safe' pet to have children around with not enough supervision.
The dogs have never shown aggression, just like any person killed was "a lovely person, so friendly and helpful, loved by all"
These are the same parents who will swear blind that the kitchen door was shut, and pan of boiling water was at the back of the cooker, and "safe" Just before scalding them.
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This poor kid was left with a 16 year old girl who was looking after a 6 and 7 year old on her own, the 7 year old took the baby outside into the yard were the dog was being kept and showed it to the dog. The dog may have never seen a baby before and thought it was a toy.
The family are to blame for this not the dog.
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But it all depends where you are coming from, pro dogs or anti dogs. I'm not a dog fan and i'd willingly have all potentially dangerous dogs put down if it saved one human life. I'd do it myself too. But then you have people who like dogs and for them its obviously a trade off worth having.
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So it's the dogs fault? the trained itself to be that way, yes your right it's always the dogs fault. Nothing to do with the fact that most people don't know how the bring a dog up properly and know it's place in the pack.
This poor kid was left with a 16 year old girl who was looking after a 6 and 7 year old on her own, the 7 year old took the baby outside into the yard were the dog was being kept and showed it to the dog. The dog may have never seen a baby before and thought it was a toy.
The family are to blame for this not the dog.
This poor kid was left with a 16 year old girl who was looking after a 6 and 7 year old on her own, the 7 year old took the baby outside into the yard were the dog was being kept and showed it to the dog. The dog may have never seen a baby before and thought it was a toy.
The family are to blame for this not the dog.
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Some interesting comments here.
All dogs, as well as people, have the potential to cause harm.
I would not leave my daughter alone with a dog, or PERSON that I did not know or trust.
I would not even let my daughter into a room with a large or potentially aggressive dog. I don't hate dogs, I just wouldn't expose her to the risk.
All dogs, as well as people, have the potential to cause harm.
I would not leave my daughter alone with a dog, or PERSON that I did not know or trust.
I would not even let my daughter into a room with a large or potentially aggressive dog. I don't hate dogs, I just wouldn't expose her to the risk.
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wtfSurely you mean mankind should have left dogs alone FULL STOP and not bred dogs to do anything.
Lets be sensible about this now, dogs have MANY uses, one being very loyal companions.
I appreciate you may not like dogs, but with your wisdom maybe you could help me with the following breeds, and put them back in their "natural" enviroment.
Afghan Hound
Anatolian Karabash
Boxer
Irish Setter
Poodle
Minature Poodle
Pekingese
Shar Pei
I dont think any dog evolved to pull people with loaded sleds, people just bred them to be strong enough to use them that way. Maybe I think its cruel to "enslave" a dog to do such things. Maybe I DO work him............
Also with these wise words, does that mean Akita's, Tosa's Pitbull's etc should be allowed to go around attacking whatever they want, after all they WERE bred to attack and kill.
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The parents will never forgive themselves. My wife is about to give birth to our first child, I have a staffie who is very soft and friendly but he will never be left alone with our or anyone else's child. He has never been around children much so I cannot trust him just like I can't trust any other dog around my child.
I have read lots of books on how to prepare your dog for the arrival of a baby. It's a shame not all dog owners are as responsible as some of us.
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So it's the dogs fault? the trained itself to be that way, yes your right it's always the dogs fault. Nothing to do with the fact that most people don't know how the bring a dog up properly and know it's place in the pack.
This poor kid was left with a 16 year old girl who was looking after a 6 and 7 year old on her own, the 7 year old took the baby outside into the yard were the dog was being kept and showed it to the dog. The dog may have never seen a baby before and thought it was a toy.
The family are to blame for this not the dog.
This poor kid was left with a 16 year old girl who was looking after a 6 and 7 year old on her own, the 7 year old took the baby outside into the yard were the dog was being kept and showed it to the dog. The dog may have never seen a baby before and thought it was a toy.
The family are to blame for this not the dog.
It's a simple case of, (almost
) every time a child gets attacked by a dog (that is in the news) it's of the same breeds. Rottie, Dalmation, Pitbull. I don't care about the other factors.I've been brought up around dogs, as a child a friend had a couple of rottwielers and after a couple of close calls I never went back to his house. They never attacked anyone but some close calls. I guarantee these were well trained animals and we were all around 10-12yrs old, not exactly pulling their ears.
I have no problem with people walking these without leads or a muzzle on the street, if you can control it then fine. However I also want to carry a gun so I'm not on the recieving end of - "Well He's never done anything like that before"
IMO walking around with one of those breeds is no different to walking around brandishing loaded gun.
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Did you read the post you quoted at all? I mentioned nothing of training, or blame, or owners.
It's a simple case of, (almost ) every time a child gets attacked by a dog (that is in the news) it's of the same breeds. Rottie, Dalmation, Pitbull. I don't care about the other factors.
lol @ not caring about the other factors, slightly ignorant and biased.
I've been brought up around dogs, as a child a friend had a couple of rottwielers and after a couple of close calls I never went back to his house. They never attacked anyone but some close calls. I guarantee these were well trained animals and we were all around 10-12yrs old, not exactly pulling their ears.
I have no problem with people walking these without leads or a muzzle on the street, if you can control it then fine. However I also want to carry a gun so I'm not on the recieving end of - "Well He's never done anything like that before"
Without a lead by definition is NOT under control, personally in public, dogs belong on leads.
IMO walking around with one of those breeds is no different to walking around brandishing loaded gun.
Slight differences somehow, not a great example, and just identifying a few breeds as "dangerous" but saying all others are ok?
It's a simple case of, (almost
) every time a child gets attacked by a dog (that is in the news) it's of the same breeds. Rottie, Dalmation, Pitbull. I don't care about the other factors.lol @ not caring about the other factors, slightly ignorant and biased.
I've been brought up around dogs, as a child a friend had a couple of rottwielers and after a couple of close calls I never went back to his house. They never attacked anyone but some close calls. I guarantee these were well trained animals and we were all around 10-12yrs old, not exactly pulling their ears.
I have no problem with people walking these without leads or a muzzle on the street, if you can control it then fine. However I also want to carry a gun so I'm not on the recieving end of - "Well He's never done anything like that before"
Without a lead by definition is NOT under control, personally in public, dogs belong on leads.
IMO walking around with one of those breeds is no different to walking around brandishing loaded gun.
Slight differences somehow, not a great example, and just identifying a few breeds as "dangerous" but saying all others are ok?
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The vast majority of Rottweilers are beautiful, docile, obedient dogs that are fantastic around children. [/QUOTE]
The owners of the dog in question have used similar words to describe their murderous pet!
Dogs like these say more about their owners, and their own lack of self esteem ' I'm a big man, I've got a real mans dog'
The owners of the dog in question have used similar words to describe their murderous pet!
Dogs like these say more about their owners, and their own lack of self esteem ' I'm a big man, I've got a real mans dog'
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Dogs like these say more about their owners, and their own lack of self esteem ' I'm a big man, I've got a real mans dog'
[/QUOTE]They CAN be seen that way, but sadly its the wrong people buying these dogs. A lot of the owners are very responsible and train their dogs, but as above, some ARE trophy dogs, for show. The more aggressive it looks, all the better.
Good example the other day, Staf with its owner in the park, has a full harness on, yet is off the lead! So whats the harness for? Same thing again a month or so back in another park.
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Rally Blue Subaru Impreza Type 25's with big spoilers.
Cars like these say more about their owners, and their own lack of self esteem' I'm a big man, I've got a really small *****.
same yeah?
Cars like these say more about their owners, and their own lack of self esteem' I'm a big man, I've got a really small *****.
same yeah?
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Serious though, I dont think cars are quite the same trophies as dogs.
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